[Goanet] Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

Headline: Feni now seeks global flavour

BY: RAJARSHI ROY

Source: Times of India, 3 May 2003 at:
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=45195573



Text:



Since the early 1970s, when the flower children first discovered Goa, the
former Portuguese settlement has found a permanent place on the global
travel circuit for its blend of sand, sea, curry and, of course, the local
brew, Feni.



Now, a group of local entrepreneurs plan to take Feni beyond the shores of
Goa and give it a global flavour. Local manufacturers and exporters of the
drink have applied for a Geographical Indication Licence for Feni, which,
according to a recently-conducted forensic report, conforms to standards
laid down for whisky by the Indian Standards Institution.



A geographical indication stamp is used to identify agricultural, natural or
manufactured produce originating specifically from a particular geographical
area.



But, the product should have a special quality or characteristic or
reputation based upon the climatic or production characteristics unique to
the geographical location.



The licence would give legal protection to Feni, as a produce of Goa, India,
and prevent unauthorised manufacture. It will also offer legal protection in
other WTO member countries, said Mac Vaz, director of Madame Rosa, one of
the oldest distillers of Feni.



''This would also mean that Feni would be counted along with Tequila of
Mexico, Cachaca of Brazil, Soju of Korea and Sake of Japan as a regional
white spirit.''



Feni, which is already popular in Europe and West Asia, is being exported to
countries in these regions.



''The licence will help popularise the drink abroad, giving it a certain
distinctive identity.



Feni distilling is a flourishing business in Goa which has 1,466 toddy
tappers, 3,004 cashew and 1,460 coconut Feni distillers. It produces 4.8
lakh liter of Cashew Feni, and 5.2 lakh liter of coconut Feni.



Some of the larger manufacturers are now looking at a bigger share of the
action, with Madame Rosa diversifying into manufacturing of Mango, Anise,
Chocolate mint and Amaretto liqueurs.



''We have seen rows like the patenting of Basmati rice erupt in the past.
Hence, products like Feni need protection by a geographical indication
licence,'' a official with the ministry of commerce said.

=================================

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[Eddie Fernandes]

We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
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[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

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We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Plus
For a better Internet experience
http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

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We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Plus
For a better Internet experience
http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

****************************************
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com
****************************************


We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Plus
For a better Internet experience
http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

****************************************
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com
****************************************


We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Plus
For a better Internet experience
http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

****************************************
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com
****************************************


We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

__________________________________________________
Yahoo! Plus
For a better Internet experience
http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

****************************************
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com
****************************************


We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>

[EdgarStmartins]

Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins
writes:

<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had assisted the
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a Club in
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt that one
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to make the
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs would come
together.

I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this place. From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted the
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist baggage
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was closed
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the weenends.
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering juice
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the week and
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during the
week? I reasoned.

I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from Cais
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a fortress
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in attendance. The
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I stared at
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to meet. No
one was in sight.

I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de Goa
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at my
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government, informed
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a 15
min. walk from the station.

Edgar Martins >>

[francis dias]

on 2/5/03 15:06, EdgarStmartins at aol.com at

Post by EdgarStmartins
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see

this place. From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that

the Casa was a Casa de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the

backdoor and had disrupted the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had

carried this racist baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that

the Casa was closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like

beehives at the weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass

of staggering juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go

there during the week and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in

Portugal during the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.

I do not know where you live at present, but a large
number of people in the western hemisphere tend to
live in the cities during the week as a matter of
necessity, preferring to debunk to quieter rural or
seaside locations for a spot of R & R on weekends.
Further more if you were in Lisbon during the holiday
period the exodus is even greater.
It is a shame though that you were not able to meet
some of the local Goans, to get a first hand opinion
of the "racist baggage", rather than hearsay.
The same applies to the Goan Club in Nairobi- most of
the patrons disappear well before 7 p.m. everyday.
Those colonial days have long gone!
A spot of advance planning in future Edgar !

Francis Dias

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[Tony Soares]

Hi, Eddie, I am interested in this Goan living in Costa de Caparica. I
have a flat there and been going there regularly for the last 6 years
but I have not met/seem another Goan anywhere in the town. Can you give
details.
By the way, the food in Casa de Goa is good though pricey and I have not
met few Goans eating there. I hear the functions are well attended

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Of Eddie Fernandes
Sent: 02 May 2003 23:41
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

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We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We
have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not
visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet.
I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the
boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression,
I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this
forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
===============================================================

----- Original Message -----
From: <EdgarStmartins at aol.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Casa de Goa - Lisbon.

Post by EdgarStmartins
In a message dated 5/2/03 7:06:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

EdgarStmartins

Post by EdgarStmartins
<<
Last year, when I heard that the Portuguese Government had

assisted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Goan Community in Portugal to secure premises which I equated to a

Club in

Post by EdgarStmartins
East Africa or the Catholic Gym. in Mumbai, I was excited. I learnt

that
one

Post by EdgarStmartins
Brut da Costa and
From Lamberto Gomes, I learnt that Brut and others were active to

make
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
Casa de Goa a viable centre where Goans in Lisbon and its environs

would
come

Post by EdgarStmartins
together.
I was in Lisbon recently and I was determined to see this

place.
From

Post by EdgarStmartins
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa

de

Post by EdgarStmartins
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had

disrupted
the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa. I was surprised that we had carried this racist

baggage

Post by EdgarStmartins
to Portugal. I phoned the number I had to learn that the Casa was

closed

Post by EdgarStmartins
during the weekends. Clubs in East Africa were like beehives at the

weenends.

Post by EdgarStmartins
During the week, sportsmen and those keen on a glass of staggering

juice

Post by EdgarStmartins
patronised the club. I was told that I ought to go there during the

week
and

Post by EdgarStmartins
could not understand the logic. Does one not work in Portugal during

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
week? I reasoned.
I took the Camboio (Train or convoy) to Alcantara station from

Cais

Post by EdgarStmartins
do Sodre and after asking passersby I made my way to No.17 Calcada do
Livromento. I finally arrived at an edifice that looked like a

fortress

Post by EdgarStmartins
without architectural beauty. I took a passage and suddenly I was in a
restaurant called Xanti (peace) with a Portuguese waiter in

attendance.
The

Post by EdgarStmartins
menu on the wall indicated Goan dishes and the prices were steep. I

stared
at

Post by EdgarStmartins
the dishes available and enquired about the Goans who I expected to

meet.
No

Post by EdgarStmartins
one was in sight.
I retraced my steps back to Lisbon and my hotel suite. Casa de

Goa

Post by EdgarStmartins
was an abandoned idea and place. In Goa Eddie Fernandes who scoffed at

my

Post by EdgarStmartins
idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa Government,

informed

Post by EdgarStmartins
me that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon docks. This is completely
erroneous but then Eddie was relying on some one else's view as

always.

Post by EdgarStmartins
Alcantara is two stops on the train going to Cascais and the Casa is a

15

Post by EdgarStmartins
min. walk from the station.
Edgar Martins >>
_______________________________________________

[EdgarStmartins]

In a message dated 5/2/03 9:05:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
eddie at fernandes.u-net.com writes:

<<
We are obviously meant to know that Edgar is back from his travels. We have
been aware of your absence, Edgar!

You suffer from amnesia as you will remember I met you in Goa, once with
a hairstyle which made me feel I had encountered Beethoven or Einstein, once
for New Year in Santa Cruz when you were disputing facts that I was relating
about the posting of the morning temp. by Joel, and once when you were decked
to impress with that Indian style suit which lacked a collar.

Post by EdgarStmartins
From
a Goan living in Costa de Caparica, I learnt that the Casa was a Casa de
Disputes and that casteism had entered by the backdoor and had disrupted

the

Post by EdgarStmartins
activity of the Casa.

AND

Post by EdgarStmartins
Eddie was relying on some one else's view as always.

Enough said? But there is more, much more ...

Edgar, when you asked me about the Casa I told you that I had not visited it
but had read the description and seen the photographs on the Internet. I
had hoped that you would look at them too and form your own opinion.

The Casa, its location and my impressions of it are posted for your
observation. I went there, I saw it but it conquered me (Veni, vidi, vicci).
The sites you have posted will not change my opinion.
Edgar Martins
The sites are:
http://www.goacom.com/casa-de-goa/
http://xanti.restaunet.pt/
and they have detailed maps, opening hours, menus, prices, etc.

You also claim that I informed you "that the Portuguese Casa was in the boon
docks." Even allowing for your characteristic inaccuracy of expression, I
am at a loss to understand what "boon docks" are.

I will ignore, for the moment at least, your claim that I "scoffed at
[your] idea of a Casa de Goa in Panjim with the help of the Goa
Government." If you wish to present your views on the subject to this forum
in a calm and collected way, I may join in the discussion.

With best wishes for a speedy recovery,

Eddie
=========== >>