Discussion:
_VM_
(too old to reply)
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
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Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
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Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
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From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
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You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-13 21:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You recall correctly Fred.
Thank you! I was suspecting an early touch of Alzheimer's ;-)

The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin. Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up
post-1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?

Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Rules are to be followed.
Absolutely. No debate over that.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
More than once you have rejected posts which contain no reference to any
names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts.
What you say could well be true. Considering that we moderate about 20+
posts each day per moderator (sometimes less, sometimes more) I am sure
there would have been errors of judgement. I can only hope this is not on
account of bias against any posters or point of view.

Moderation is also done as per the shifting priorities of the Goanet Admin
Team. Right now, the priority is to improve the signal-to-noise ratio on
the mailing-list, to ensure more quality postings, and to minimise the
heat-without-light postings that occasionally make an appearance.

I also agree that some posts which shouldn't have gone in, have in
some rare instances managed to slip by. The other day, I was struggling
with my terminal-mode (since xWindows was temporarily unable to access
the Net) and erroneously approved an entire repost of the digest version.
I apologise to all Goanetters for this. Again, while a few errors are
perhaps understandable, I too agree that common rules need to be applied
to everybody.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
You have violated the rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.
Yes, to my dismay, I have noted that this has happened on occasion. Anyone
wanting to raise the issue would certainly find 'evidence' to this effect.
The other day, my co-admin team member Viv(iana) had to reject one of my
post which was sent through in non-text (MIME or HTML)!

When you say "more than once" do you mean *persistently*? Or does it mean,
twice, five, ten or twenty times over a period of six to seven years?
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted
You are free to undertaken notings of whatever you choose. That's your
right.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
Similarly, you are free to demand... though this sounds more like the
speech of a leader of the Opposition. Being on the Goanet Admin Team is a
responsibility, not a right! There are no priviledges; if I again recall
rightly, you had offered to help the team in the past.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.
Paulo.
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different
points of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym),
but am really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or
the UK? Is he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At
some stage he is the friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other
points of time, he is on the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me
who "Bernado" claims to really be? Many claims have come forth at
differing points of time. Innit? FN
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

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2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 18:36:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Frederick Noronha(FN)" <fredericknoronha at vsnl.net>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Why posts do and don't get rejected....


RESPONSE: Since there are many new members on this Internet Forum, could we
kindly, please have a list of the Admin team. I know that Herman Carneiro is
the owner of the site. Are there any Sponsors? Just some weeks ago a
Canadian Gentlemen, I am not sure who it is, informed us of Joel's
predicament and informed us that he pays Joel's salary for work provided to
Goacom (?) which in turn is responsible for the Daily clippings put out on
Goanet. Is the site provided bona fide by Goacom? What is the relationship
if any, of Goan Voice (U.K.) and Goan Voice (Cda). Are there any
affiliations? Does Eddie Fernandes play any role in the workings and running
of Goanet? I am asking this as I have seen congratulatory messages,
including Eddie as well, on the 10th Anniversary of Goanet. I believe, I may
be wrong, that Marlon Menezes had provided some assistance in the past -
what was this assistance and does it continue?


My questions are to clear the air and dispell any misgivings.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Frederick Noronha(FN)
2004-09-14 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gabe Menezes
Dear Paulo,
Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any
occasion bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for
the reject HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the
Admin team or their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems
to me that on any occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain
unacceptable language such as the stem to which the mango was attached!
Let me state emphatically. AFAIK no message has ever been rejected because

(1) The Admin Team disagrees with the views expressed
(2) It criticises one or more members of the Admin Team.
(3) It expresses a view which might not be to the liking of
the majority of the Goanetters, or go against their
views and beliefs.

On the other hand, a number of posts have been blocked as:
(1) They are spam or virii, wholly unrelated to Goa and the list
(2) Posts are not directly related to Goa (we have of late
been indulgent on this front, but might need to
re-evaluate due to higher levels of participation).
(3) Repeated postings advertising a single commercial
product, or using forms of surrogate advertising.
(4) Repeated non-text posts in MIME or HTML format,
inspite of earlier reminders to individual posters.
(5) Posts of a defamatory nature, making allegations
or insinuations against an individual, and which use
rude or insulting language against others involved
in the debate, instead of focussing on the issues.
(6) Posts using abusive language or writings involving
sexual innuendoes. For those curious to know what we
mean, check this posting which went through on an
unmoderated list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aldona-net/message/1195

Ribandar's posts gave us a hard time to manage. Both 'sides' were having a
field day with allegations and/or suspected fake pseudonyms, and more
insinuations coming up in the guise of 'clarifications'! A classic case of
people arguing against each other, dragging in irrelevant issues to
tarnish each other's issue, and quite forgetting about the issue at hand.

I think it is unfair for Paulo, facing as he is the articulate (if
anti-Portuguese) heat from _VM_'s arguments, to turn the fire onto me,
and make a case of bias against me personally. He makes allegations
against me, without a clue of who in our team of four has been moderating
the posts. Clearly, while Paulo sees nothing wrong with what he wrote (who
does?), knowing the fair-mindedness of my Admin colleagues, I'm pretty
certain one of the above criteria would have been violated, if and when
any post was rejected.

Goanet doesn't have any "sponsors". I don't quite understand Gabe is
talking about on this front! But then, loose talk is the birthright of
many of us Goans!

This is a *moderated* mailing list. It is not a *censored* mailing-list,
as some die-hard Goanet critics on the Net seek to make out. When Goanet
had only a few readers, it was unmoderated too. At that time, action had
to be taken post-facto. Members would be "expelled" for violating rules,
causing quite some amount of unpleasantness and regret, on all sides.
(Remember the outcry after the first of the expulsions sometime in 1995?)
In addition, it also meant that the lists were focussing on emotive,
insultive-kinds of debates, rather than offering light and not heat.

We are all aware that a moderated list implies responsibilities on the
moderators, to ensure that (i) all points of views are carried (ii) only
those posts which really deserve to be dropped for violating one or the
other rule actually face such a fate (iii) errors in judgement are kept
to a bare minimum, if at all.

May I add that Goanet Admin is committed free speech, and having as wide a
canvas of views as possible, without advocating hate or racism or
religious-bias against others. At the same time, we are keen to ensure
that a few fringe elements don't manage to derail fair debate.

FN
Writing as a member of the Admin Team.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Gabe Menezes
2004-09-14 14:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Dear Paulo,

Very much appreciate what you have posted. We all have at one time or
another had our posts rejected! Quite honestly, I have not, on any occasion
bothered to repost them. There could have been many reasons for the reject
HTMP (Rich Text). Too strong a post, potraying one of the Admin team or
their sponsors as being absolute A**e **les. It seems to me that on any
occasion they are inviolate! Or it could be plain unacceptable language such
as the stem to which the mango was attached!

If we are to move forward and be fortright, all should get a fair crack! I
am keeping my powder dry and will in due course further illuminate all of
you on some more gripes, subject of course to my post not being rejected.

Any way having said what I have said, I believe Fred to be an honest broker,
so too Viviana and Bosco as well as Joel. Now it is up to them to show us
and inform us correctly why posts are rejected - not the cursory press of
the button - moderator thinks your post...........????? I would like to ask
an important question are there any more people that influence, what is fair
and what is not? Is Herman Carneiro unduly influenced by elderly pressure?
He is only 28 and although he is the originator of this site, sometimes I
wonder whether he is a strong person capable of making strong decisions of
just towing to the line on what the others advise him - including sponsors?

Muito obrigado.

cheers,

Gabe.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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Bernado Colaco
2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Freelance Journalist Tel: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
http://fn.swiki.net (FN's swiki)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog)
Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
Permalink
Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
Permalink
You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

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2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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Tommy &quot;Thumb&quot; Thumpkins
2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Frederick Noronha (FN) Near Convent, SALIGAO 403511 GOA India
Freelance Journalist Tel: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
http://fn.swiki.net (FN's swiki)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog)
Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
Permalink
Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
Permalink
You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

_________________________________________________________________
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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Tommy &quot;Thumb&quot; Thumpkins
2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Frederick Noronha (FN) Near Convent, SALIGAO 403511 GOA India
Freelance Journalist Tel: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
http://fn.swiki.net (FN's swiki)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog)
Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
Permalink
Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
_________________________________________________________________
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to offer.
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Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the
first two months FREE*.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
Permalink
You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

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2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Freelance Journalist Tel: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
http://fn.swiki.net (FN's swiki)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog)
Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
Permalink
Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
Permalink
You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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Tommy &quot;Thumb&quot; Thumpkins
2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
Permalink
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Freelance Journalist Tel: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436
http://fn.swiki.net (FN's swiki)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks (GoaLinks Blog)
Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
Permalink
Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


Tim de Mello
timdemello2 at hotmail.com
CANADA
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"
AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
Permalink
You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

_________________________________________________________________
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http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/messengerchat/ Chat with any e-mail ID!
Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
Permalink
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
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Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
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--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-09-12 23:49:59 UTC
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Someone asked me, in a personal mail: "Is VM a real person? Who is he?"

AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.

FTWCIL (for those who came in late), he's Vivek Menezes. How does one put
it? In Goa, they would say, the son of Lenny Menezes (of Taj fame) and
grandson of Prof Armand Menezes. Vivek is also a professional in his own
right, and has been working at a number of prominent slots, though still
in his 'thirties.

Vivek argues well. Without pulling any punches. And that's a problem
(sometimes). If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.

With this introduction, here's a small request: growing readers and
posters means Goanet is having to cope with more mail. Goanet believes in
free-speech, but would also like to maintain a high signal-to-noise ratio.

You need not respond to every post you feel provoked by. When making a
point in a debate, no need to answer every point made by someone holding
another viewpoint. Above all, there's no point in trying to get in the
last word! Others tend to be as determined!!!

Just make your point and leave it at that.

Treat this only as a request if you think it makes sense. FN
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Tim de Mello
2004-09-13 03:26:29 UTC
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Nice post, Fred.

Thank God VM has returned to GoaNet.
He has lifted the level of this forum not only with his current posts but
also with his posts of previous years.

Welcome back, VM.


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AFAIK, _VM_ joined Goanet long before I did, and has been around -- though
in a silent mode in recent years -- after an active spell in the early
days.
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Paulo Colaco Dias
2004-09-13 17:37:14 UTC
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You recall correctly Fred.

BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to be an
administrator of this list due to your obviously biased personality.

Rules are to be followed. More than once you have rejected posts which
contain no reference to any names nor any signs of offensive language. But
have allowed others to post offensive language posts. You have violated the
rules of GoaNet yourself more than once.

Your public attacks towards Bernado have been noted and I will demand your
resignation from the admin team one day when Bernado proves that he is who
he claims to be.

Paulo.
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha (FN)
Sent: 12 September 2004 22:05
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]_VM_
If one recalls right, the last time launched a
Portugal-versus-India thread, years back, some of those who took him on
haven't quite forgiven us (meaning, Goanet admin!) for "hounding" them off
the mailing list.
Radhakrishnan Nair
2004-09-14 05:35:42 UTC
Permalink
(Paulo Colaco Dias to Fred Noronha: Your public attacks towards Bernado have
been noted and I will demand your resignation from the admin team one day
when Bernado proves that he is who he claims to be.)

And when is that going to be, Paulo? As far as I know, bharati colaco has
never claimed himself to be an entity; only you and the other Dr Colaco have
tried to offer some lame explanations which no sane person was willing to
take.

I fully support Fred in his endeavour to expose bogus ids on Goanet. Such
irresponsible proxies give this list a bad name.

Please come up with the true identity of that bigoted joker and talk, Paulo!

Cheers, RKN

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2004-09-14 11:12:48 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Frederick Noronha(FN)
Sent: 13 September 2004 22:02
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]_VM_
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
BTW, let me tell you once again that in my opinion, you are not fit to
be an administrator of this list
That's your opinion. It is your right to believe in whatever you choose
to.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
due to your obviously biased personality.
All of us hold our own point of view. Don't you?
Do you dislike (i) me personally (ii) my point of view (iii) my work on
Goanet (iv) the way I administer messages or (v) a mix of all of these?
Why single me out anyway, you don't know who's moderating the messages in
any case.
Fred, as you know, I have no problems with you as a person and have never
refused any request from you and as you will recall, have helped you in a
few occasions even very recently. My problem with you has to do with the
fact that you are not neutral when approving or rejecting posts. My posts
have been rejected several times without any offensive content and without
any references to any individuals. Three of my posts sent yesterday have
been rejected. None of them contained any references to any individuals or
abusive language. I give up. Let us see if this one gets approved.

If you want to be an administrator, a moderator, a judge or a referee, you
have to be neutral and follow the rules of the game. Not decide yourself who
should be given permission to post and who should be prevented from posting.


Of course you can post your own opinion and contribute for an healthy
discussion but your personal opinion should not influence your moderator's
function within the Goanet admin team. Don't you agree with this?

In the past, I have complained to the rest of the admin team and asked for
their opinion if my rejected posts violated the rules of Goanet. I did not
get any reply. Anyway, like in everything else in Goa, we continue to live
in a Salazarist environment, where you, Fred, are definitely playing an
excellent part: Salazar.

How I know it is you? Of course I am not 100% sure. But please do not insult
my intelligence. I think we have had this conversation before. In my
opinion, you are the only one who is openly biased in the admin team.
Besides that, some of my posts have been rejected when the other
administrators were supposedly asleep. You see, I have a very good idea of
time zones. If this is false and it wasn't you and you are totally innocent,
then please whoever rejected my posts come up with an explanation on which
Goanet rule I violated and, accordingly, I will stand corrected and I will
apologise.
The point I was trying to make is that when one 'side' loses the debate,
they go ahead and blame Goanet Admin.
Fred, you have never heard me blaming the GoaNet admin team for losing the
debate. My only blame with the admin team is that my posts have been
rejected without any violation of the current Goanet rules and that
contributes to frustration on my side. That is all I have to blame the admin
team for.
Please try to understand that your
POV (point of view) is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum, and you have
some very articulate opponents tearing to shreds the perspective that you
hold dear. This is just how it happens to be. We at the Admin have not
engineered it in a way to ensure that the vast majority on this network
happen to be ex-Africanders, ex-Bombayites, or Goans who grew up post-
1961, to whom Lusostalgia means little one way or the other.
Fred, whilst I can see your point (even though I am a bit perplexed that you
mentioned this), I just hope that in future you do not reject posts that do
not please the view of the majority. At the moment, that is precisely what I
am convinced you are doing. It is frustrating to come across a moderator who
is not neutral when acting on behalf of the admin team.

Yes, you are right, I have volunteered to help Goanet in the past, but as
you must know well, I did not get any response. My offer was totally
ignored. I only got a request from Herman to find a way to put together all
posts from GoaNet since its creation. It seemed to me an impossible task to
achieve because of the several list servers used and nobody I knew had a
backup of all posts. And that was the last thing I heard from the admin
team. Hey, you wouldn't want a minority view in your admin team, would you?
That would probably scare the punters out of here. Or maybe it would just
about add some neutrality in the moderation work. If there is something I am
always concerned about is fairness. Anyone is free to post their own
personal opinions but when acting as moderator, one should be neutral and
follow the rules by which GoaNet stands for. Anyway, this is gone too long.
Please take it as positive criticism if you can.

Best wishes
Paulo -

PS: My point of view is hopelessly outnumbered on this forum. Thanks for
letting me know Fred. I will certainly bear that in mind in future. No point
in posting, isn't it? Right. Got it. I don't want to cause any more trouble
with my opposition views. Take care. Goodbye.
Alfred de Tavares
2004-09-17 14:11:20 UTC
Permalink
The problem is that "Bernardo" claims to be many things at different points
of time. I don't doubt his existance (at least as a pseudonym), but am
really perplex as to who he really is. Is he based in Macau or the UK? Is
he in his 'sixties, or was he born in the 'sixties? At some stage he is the
friend of Bandodkar's contemporaries... at other points of time, he is on
the early side of middle-age! Could you tell me who "Bernado" claims to
really be? Many claims have come forth at differing points of time. Innit?
FN
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...


...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?


AT

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2004-09-18 14:01:12 UTC
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Post by Alfred de Tavares
..they seek him here
they seek him there,
they seek him everywhere...
...Is he in Heaven
or, is he in Hell,
the devilish Scarlet Pimpernel?
AT
Hi Alfy,

I am not hiding in a saffron sari!

B. Cola?o






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Tommy &quot;Thumb&quot; Thumpkins
2004-09-18 15:46:29 UTC
Permalink
--- Bernado Colaco <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk> wrote the
Post by Bernado Colaco
Hi Alfy,
I am not hiding in a saffron sari!
B. Cola?o
Maybe you're not hiding in a saffron sari but possibly
a 15 century Portuguese saffron colored petticoat?

TeeTeeTee =)



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