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It's the economy, stupid !!!
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Jim Fernandes
2008-11-03 03:22:39 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do.

Just ask yourself two basic questions:
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years?

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world.

I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction.

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Warm regards,

Jim Fernandes
New York.
Bosco D'Mello
2008-11-03 04:14:38 UTC
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Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I
better off during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Post by Jim Fernandes
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off
during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back.

Dude.....seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama
Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St
swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.....:-))
Post by Jim Fernandes
I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better
America and for a peaceful world.
RESPONSE: You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week. I
had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.

Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land
and I'll be there someday..........Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's
nuptials!!

To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially
"hopeful ......change the course of this (American) nation".

- B
PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are
printed and ready.....in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Mario Goveia
2008-11-03 18:22:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Mario responds:
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse" who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the "strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$.
Jim Fernandes wrote:
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Mario responds:
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich" is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to places like India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-03 19:32:44 UTC
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?Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Bosco,
I guess you are happy because you got out in time.
The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting
that the financial situation?is so bad that it could only get worse.
These shorters are still having a ball.........
You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week.
I had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.
?
I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya.
Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year.
?
?
Indonesia will have similar parties.
?
?
In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing.
The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party.
?
?
In Toronto, the party is at my place.
Starts Tuesday morning, runs?over to?the weekend.....
?
?
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Chris Vaz
2008-11-04 05:08:41 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top
form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

Chris comments: If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little
research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George
Bush had inherited an economy in recession.. Through the introduction of
the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his
presidency, with the exception of the current year. Annual GDP was in
excess of 3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with
a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest
rates were also low. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more
to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame
for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who
brought on the current fiscal mess. It will take a little explanation, but
here in brief, is the timeline:

In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the
Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by
making home loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay
the loans..

In the 1990s "community organiser" Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN
activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky.
These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and
demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor
and minority communities. Those banks who resisted were accused of racism
In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against
Citibank. Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated
GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed. He worried that Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the
stockholding few. Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the
Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public
purpose..

In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue
thus: "I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and
community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home
ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before". .

In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA.
The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters
(D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into
the subprime market. Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could
be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families
living in underserved areas. In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie
Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering
$27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives. Treasury Secy Larry
Summers issued this warning: "Debates about systemic risk should also
include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly..." Disregarding
warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit
requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for
lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. NINJA (No Income,
Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception.

In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5
billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations. (It
must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their
lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse)..
Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive
Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow, Repub senators Chuck Hagel,
Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La)
all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong
repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and
economic activity. Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced
legislation to improve GSE oversight. They got nowhere.

In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said "We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and
particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin
Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top
executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries). Barney Frank
told Treasury Sec. Snow: "I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis>"
Click on the link below:

http://


Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to
default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed to be
in collapse. due to Democrat redistribution policies and intransigence
despite repeated warnings. As a consequence, leading financial institutions
collapsed dragging the country's economy into the morass. As has been
demonstrated, Bush had little or nothing to do with the debacle.>

Jim claims:

I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a > foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse > with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse > ... errr ... the donkey is in
top form - sleek, agile and > ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery
system.> > But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then >
here's what I'd like you to do. > > Just ask yourself two basic questions:>
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off > during the
Clinton years?> 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during
the > Clinton years?>

Chris responds:

As another poster recently responded, yes, we were better off in Bush years
till the recent subprime mortgage blowout brought on by Democrat policies as
has been stated above. To reiterate, the problem began with Jimmy Carter in
1977 with the institution of the Community Reinvestment Act to provide
"affordable housing" to people who were unqualified to obtain conventional
bank loans.>

Jim opines:

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the > Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up > this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that > Barack and his Democratic party would
change the course of this > nation, for a better America and for a peaceful
world.> > I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US >
Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal > circumstances, I'd
want to have the Congress ruled by a > different party than that of the
President, so that they > maintain checks and balances. But these are
abnormal times that > require the support of more than a simple majority, to
get this > ship moving in the right direction.>

Chris responds:

This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of
Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment
on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and
affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist "we
didn't bomb enough")), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial
supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry
characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He
has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of
which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement
might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save
the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions...>

Jim:

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes > on the
rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Chris responds:

The war is mostly over thanks to the surge fought for and advocated by Sen.
McCain Get over it!

There is finally a budding democracy in the middle of Arabia. Unthinkable
only a few years ago.

Raising taxes on the rich won't solve the problem. The "rich" 10% already
pay 70% of all income taxes. Another fallacy is the Obama myth that 95% of
the population would receive a tax cut. 40% of Americans don't pay income
tax. Under Obama, these 40% would receive what would be a "welfare" check!

There is no evidence that the poor can offer employment to anyone. It takes
the "rich" to take the risk of starting a business, slave for 18 hours a day
to make it a success, and realize the American "dream" which takes a few
years if not a lifetime!

Under Obama, you can be guaranteed the following:

a.. Income redistribution (taking your hard earned money and given to
people who didn't earn it).
a.. Higher taxes to expand government even further than it is.

b.. Union empowerment through intimidation-- no longer secret elections
a.. Flight of businesses outside the country to escape unionization and
punitive taxation
a.. Windfall for lawyers -- no tort reform Open season to file
lawsuits -- real or imagined on businesses
a.. Free, govt. -sponsored and tax-payer funded abortions, including
infanticide.
a.. Negotiations with rogue regimes without preconditions.
a.. No exploitation of our natural resources but dependency on our energy
requirements from regimes that don't like us (Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia (19
of the hijackers were Saudi), Venezuela. Effectively transferring 700
billion of our hard-earned dollars to our enemies to placate our "wacko"
environmentalist campaign donors
a.. A "guaranteed" confrontation with our enemies within the first six
months of an Obama administration according to running mate Joseph Biden.>
a.. A reincarnation of Jimmy Carter and his " malaise" with double-digit
inflation, double-digit unemployment, and 21.5% interest rates.

Scary, ain't it?

Chris
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-04 17:23:05 UTC
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In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community
Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home
loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans..
Chris,
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.


When Bush was elected for the second time, I went long on defence and oil stocks.
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
I can almost guarantee you that he will put into place basic health care for all Americans while cutting on 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East.

It is the change we need.

Am shorting HMO's and defence stocks.


Mervyn3.0
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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-04 17:23:05 UTC
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In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community
Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home
loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans..
Chris,
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.


When Bush was elected for the second time, I went long on defence and oil stocks.
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
I can almost guarantee you that he will put into place basic health care for all Americans while cutting on 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East.

It is the change we need.

Am shorting HMO's and defence stocks.


Mervyn3.0
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.


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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-04 17:23:05 UTC
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In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community
Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home
loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans..
Chris,
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.


When Bush was elected for the second time, I went long on defence and oil stocks.
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
I can almost guarantee you that he will put into place basic health care for all Americans while cutting on 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East.

It is the change we need.

Am shorting HMO's and defence stocks.


Mervyn3.0
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.


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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-04 17:23:05 UTC
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In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community
Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home
loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans..
Chris,
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.


When Bush was elected for the second time, I went long on defence and oil stocks.
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
I can almost guarantee you that he will put into place basic health care for all Americans while cutting on 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East.

It is the change we need.

Am shorting HMO's and defence stocks.


Mervyn3.0
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.


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Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 16:53:57 UTC
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If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough")), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
George Pinto
2008-11-04 17:39:43 UTC
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Obama is a communist, the secret love-child of some deceased Russian leader. Brezhnev's last words were "O bama" leading one to believe his paternal claims. Barak in Spanish means terrorist, he is the second cousin of Hugo Chavez and has a Venezuelan birth certificate. Iran has made Michelle Obama an honorary citizen and head of the Dept of Anti-Western studies at Teheran University. Obama was in the supermarket last week shopping on aisle 3 and on aisle 12 there was a former Gaza refugee who witnessed a suicide bombing in Palestine. Obama bought the same milk brand as a lady on aisle 6 who cheated on her boyfriend in college.

Regards,
George
Post by Santosh Helekar
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading
the highly rational and independent analysis below then they
would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that
were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are
that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist.
Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an
Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 18:21:24 UTC
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Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough"), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason.
Mario asks:
Santosh,
I re-read the excerpt that you have chosen from the post by Chris Vaz and your response above, and fail to see how "they would have committed treason". At most "they" would have committed ignorance, since, even allowing for some rhetorical flourishes by Chris, the essential facts are all fairly accurate, and stand unrebutted on Goanet.
Santosh wrote:
Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario responds:
I detect some sarcasm here, unless you have suddenly woken up this morning reincarnated as what we would call a far right wing loon when you refer to Obama as a Muslim and anti-American Marxist, and an Arab born in Kenya:-))
No responsible political opponent of Obama has referred to him as a Muslim. In fact, his opponent is on record as telling an ignorant supporter that Obama is not an Arab and is a decent family man.
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Obama is unquestionably a decent family man, and his place of birth would not, by itself, disqualify him if at least one of his parents was an American citizen when he was born.
Though some of his close political and religious associates and mentors from Chicago are clearly anti-American and avowed Marxists and unrepentant domestic anarchists, I would not describe Obama as an anti-American Marxist. However, Obama has clearly professed a belief in certain Marxist economic principles, having to do with higher tax rates on upper income Americans, which may or may not increase actual taxes collected, "redistributing" wealth by government fiat and sharply increasing the role of government in the day-to-day lives of citizens, principles that have never been used to the extent he is suggesting in the USA previously.
In my opinion, a big loser of an Obama presidency will be India, mainly because of the deeper economic slowdown that will result if he lets the Bush tax rate cuts lapse, which will raise the tax rates for all Americans, even before he implements his own tax plans, and the protectionist trade policies he has already promised his union supporters will be among his highest priorities.
Which is why I find it amusing and ironic to see his support among Indians in America and India. Not to mention their ignorance of the contempt that many educated African-Americans hold for educated Indians.
Anyway, Chris has listed his concluding expectations in some detail, and we will be able to monitor these in the months and years to come - if Obama wins of course.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-04 21:05:08 UTC
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Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama.
COMMENT: For F's sake does it matter in a democracy, you guys espouse
to abide by?

You are sore loosers - does not matter if the Guy is a donkey; the
electorate chose him and you should be gracious enough to accept
defeat!

You don't like him you can always scoot back to India, where you came
from, India needs people with your vibrance. Lots of Indians waiting
for taxi jobs in Newyork - I had such a ball watching Sky News the big
brother of Fox....if your want the word on the street ask an NY taxi
driver - they were all Indians...rooting for Obama!

Now go eat humble pie or as the original inhabitants of the Continent
would say 'go eat crow'
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-04 21:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama.
COMMENT: For F's sake does it matter in a democracy, you guys espouse
to abide by?

You are sore loosers - does not matter if the Guy is a donkey; the
electorate chose him and you should be gracious enough to accept
defeat!

You don't like him you can always scoot back to India, where you came
from, India needs people with your vibrance. Lots of Indians waiting
for taxi jobs in Newyork - I had such a ball watching Sky News the big
brother of Fox....if your want the word on the street ask an NY taxi
driver - they were all Indians...rooting for Obama!

Now go eat humble pie or as the original inhabitants of the Continent
would say 'go eat crow'
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-04 21:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama.
COMMENT: For F's sake does it matter in a democracy, you guys espouse
to abide by?

You are sore loosers - does not matter if the Guy is a donkey; the
electorate chose him and you should be gracious enough to accept
defeat!

You don't like him you can always scoot back to India, where you came
from, India needs people with your vibrance. Lots of Indians waiting
for taxi jobs in Newyork - I had such a ball watching Sky News the big
brother of Fox....if your want the word on the street ask an NY taxi
driver - they were all Indians...rooting for Obama!

Now go eat humble pie or as the original inhabitants of the Continent
would say 'go eat crow'
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-04 21:05:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama.
COMMENT: For F's sake does it matter in a democracy, you guys espouse
to abide by?

You are sore loosers - does not matter if the Guy is a donkey; the
electorate chose him and you should be gracious enough to accept
defeat!

You don't like him you can always scoot back to India, where you came
from, India needs people with your vibrance. Lots of Indians waiting
for taxi jobs in Newyork - I had such a ball watching Sky News the big
brother of Fox....if your want the word on the street ask an NY taxi
driver - they were all Indians...rooting for Obama!

Now go eat humble pie or as the original inhabitants of the Continent
would say 'go eat crow'
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 20:17:59 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a
school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a
practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his
mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who
also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as
Black Liberation Theology.
Dang! I forgot to mention this. Also, George was kind enough to give us a lot of information that I was not aware of. The biased Obamamania mainstream media has a worldwide conspiracy to hide such important information. In addition to the above, there are many other conspiracies. Let me just add a few before the polls close. It might be too late otherwise.

Focus on the term community organizer, and ask yourself who else was one. Yes, Charles Manson, the murderer! Indeed, Obama is part of a sinister community organization that is home to many murderous cults. There is also an Afro-centric conspiracy to redistribute America's wealth with Africa, and spread that wealth to Obama's many lazy and impoverished relatives who are living in Kenya, Indonesia and other Arab countries like that, as well as several who are living as illegal immigrants in public housing in the U.S. Joe, the plumber has been approached to install complimentary tankless water heaters for them.

Another conspiracy is that Obama has signed a secret pact with Hamaz and Fatah to liberate Jerusalem from Israel. There are also conspiracies with mainstream media to hide the fact that more school children have died on the streets of Chicago over the past 5 years under Osama's watch than soldiers in Iraq, and with Black Panthers to rig the polls in Philadelphia.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 21:00:30 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.
Mario responds:
This is false. The lowering of lending standards was taking place across the US, not just California. This started under President Carter and was expanded under President Clinton when his attorney general was threatening banks with lawsuits if they did not comply.
This situation has nothing to do with obsolete banking laws from the 20's.
Two years John McCain tried to oppose what was happening and was voted down by the Democrats, including Obama, who were all intent on "spreading the wealth" by forcing the banks to lend to low income people, who eventually were unable to repay their loans..
In western Europe, where there are far more regulations and controls the situation is just as bad if nor worse. So, much for regulations, when one political party is intent on "spreading the wealth".
Those blaming Bush and McCain are just plain ignorant of the facts.
Mervyn wrote:
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
Mario responds:
The attempt to help the poor to buy houses they could not afford is what is at the core of the financial mess.
Mervyn wrote:
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.
Mario responds:
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-05 03:59:16 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
What follows is that he will make all his cronies rich while destroying the economy.
Oops, that was done by your current President.

Mervyn3.0


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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-05 03:59:16 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
What follows is that he will make all his cronies rich while destroying the economy.
Oops, that was done by your current President.

Mervyn3.0


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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-05 03:59:16 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
What follows is that he will make all his cronies rich while destroying the economy.
Oops, that was done by your current President.

Mervyn3.0


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Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-05 03:59:16 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
What follows is that he will make all his cronies rich while destroying the economy.
Oops, that was done by your current President.

Mervyn3.0


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Jim Fernandes
2008-11-05 06:12:05 UTC
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Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.

The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.

American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.

Barack shall work with you guys, as well as the Democrats, to ensure the economy turns around and create more opportunities than we ever had in the past eight years.

If you aren't yet ready to digest the fact that Barack would be our new President come January, I'd recommend you guys to go hibernate for the next 8 years (not just 4) and wake up in 2016. By then, the world would be a lot peaceful place, we shall have a much stronger economy and America would have mended strained relationships with many other nations overseas.

Jim Fernandes.
New York.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may
Post by Mario Goveia
be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use
cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas
oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked
Post by Mario Goveia
all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have
opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired
power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear
power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton
left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense
and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for
every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to
control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology
and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b)
The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of
Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary
Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving
President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of
attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin
Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse"
who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the
"strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered
up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable
cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by
then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between,
Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when
they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been
documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information
on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people
they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY.
I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack
the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years,
mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country
in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of
moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter
and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in
order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent
their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to
several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more
stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the
value of the US$.
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If
Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic
radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from
the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from
the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were
previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom
and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and
prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are
fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they
have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and
cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following
information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the
financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a
percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to
go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama
wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich"
is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable
slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the
US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the
labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist
policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to
places like India.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-07 23:13:13 UTC
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Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme
or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de
baitan..what ever that means.

Here's something stupid:-


--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-07 23:13:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme
or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de
baitan..what ever that means.

Here's something stupid:-

http://youtu.be/1BdiAQmEaf0
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-07 23:13:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme
or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de
baitan..what ever that means.

Here's something stupid:-

http://youtu.be/1BdiAQmEaf0
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-07 23:13:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme
or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de
baitan..what ever that means.

Here's something stupid:-

http://youtu.be/1BdiAQmEaf0
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 15:38:20 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
Mario responds:
As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 16:06:26 UTC
Permalink
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Mario responds:
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent?
Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer?
Regarding Obama "working with you guys", can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress?
Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes?
Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed.
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749
Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them.
We will all find out soon enough.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-06 00:32:16 UTC
Permalink
You want to debate me?

Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us.

Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide?

The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: "It's the economy, stupid".

Jim Fernandes.
New York.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his
crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of
Post by Mario Goveia
the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to
understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead
Post by Mario Goveia
wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no
idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b)
has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist
...
...
...
marlon menezes
2008-11-08 05:23:36 UTC
Permalink
The state of the union:


From: Gabe Menezes <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My
Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just
don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose
the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet
"stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was
coined by a former Democratic strategist named James
Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the
Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's
father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-08 19:53:04 UTC
Permalink
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
From: marlon menezes <goacom at yahoo.com>
The state of the union:
http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
Mario asks:
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends.
Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-09 12:12:01 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
RESPONSE: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.


..................Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a
liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in
cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))


RESPONSE: Cockney? I think there was one Cockney (London East Ender)
on this forum but he has left - if there are any East Enders on this
forum, please make yourselves known to the bigoted one.

Cut/copy and paste are far, far lesser evils than writing dreams about
Gorgeous Air India hostesses and then passing them off as fact i.e.
one's personal experiences, to try and vault into limelight.

Furthermore neither regret nor shame are expressed for this blatant
attempt to exalt oneself into the realms of reality, what an utterly
despicable, bogus individual.
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-09 12:12:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
RESPONSE: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.


..................Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a
liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in
cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))


RESPONSE: Cockney? I think there was one Cockney (London East Ender)
on this forum but he has left - if there are any East Enders on this
forum, please make yourselves known to the bigoted one.

Cut/copy and paste are far, far lesser evils than writing dreams about
Gorgeous Air India hostesses and then passing them off as fact i.e.
one's personal experiences, to try and vault into limelight.

Furthermore neither regret nor shame are expressed for this blatant
attempt to exalt oneself into the realms of reality, what an utterly
despicable, bogus individual.
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-09 12:12:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
RESPONSE: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.


..................Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a
liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in
cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))


RESPONSE: Cockney? I think there was one Cockney (London East Ender)
on this forum but he has left - if there are any East Enders on this
forum, please make yourselves known to the bigoted one.

Cut/copy and paste are far, far lesser evils than writing dreams about
Gorgeous Air India hostesses and then passing them off as fact i.e.
one's personal experiences, to try and vault into limelight.

Furthermore neither regret nor shame are expressed for this blatant
attempt to exalt oneself into the realms of reality, what an utterly
despicable, bogus individual.
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-09 12:12:01 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
RESPONSE: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.


..................Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a
liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in
cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))


RESPONSE: Cockney? I think there was one Cockney (London East Ender)
on this forum but he has left - if there are any East Enders on this
forum, please make yourselves known to the bigoted one.

Cut/copy and paste are far, far lesser evils than writing dreams about
Gorgeous Air India hostesses and then passing them off as fact i.e.
one's personal experiences, to try and vault into limelight.

Furthermore neither regret nor shame are expressed for this blatant
attempt to exalt oneself into the realms of reality, what an utterly
despicable, bogus individual.
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-10 18:56:23 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was
the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against
conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are
real terrorists?
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:12:01 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Post by Mario Goveia
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Mario responds:
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-10 21:48:50 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
RESPONSE: You think you are being clever? You have stated here oft
enough that you are the first to apologize when needed.

Well you wrote a piece which has gone on record for posterity. Now why
can't you do the honourable thing and withdraw the same with an
apology?

You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.

We are not amused, as the maam would say. I suppose it is to be
expected - like the Gods you follow from your Republican party, lying
comes naturally to you.

Don't expect to be taken seriously on this forum, have you no self respect?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-10 21:48:50 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
RESPONSE: You think you are being clever? You have stated here oft
enough that you are the first to apologize when needed.

Well you wrote a piece which has gone on record for posterity. Now why
can't you do the honourable thing and withdraw the same with an
apology?

You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.

We are not amused, as the maam would say. I suppose it is to be
expected - like the Gods you follow from your Republican party, lying
comes naturally to you.

Don't expect to be taken seriously on this forum, have you no self respect?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-10 21:48:50 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
RESPONSE: You think you are being clever? You have stated here oft
enough that you are the first to apologize when needed.

Well you wrote a piece which has gone on record for posterity. Now why
can't you do the honourable thing and withdraw the same with an
apology?

You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.

We are not amused, as the maam would say. I suppose it is to be
expected - like the Gods you follow from your Republican party, lying
comes naturally to you.

Don't expect to be taken seriously on this forum, have you no self respect?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Gabe Menezes
2008-11-10 21:48:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
RESPONSE: You think you are being clever? You have stated here oft
enough that you are the first to apologize when needed.

Well you wrote a piece which has gone on record for posterity. Now why
can't you do the honourable thing and withdraw the same with an
apology?

You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.

We are not amused, as the maam would say. I suppose it is to be
expected - like the Gods you follow from your Republican party, lying
comes naturally to you.

Don't expect to be taken seriously on this forum, have you no self respect?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-12 17:49:41 UTC
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http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
In the post above Santosh wrote:
I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent.
Post by Gabe Menezes
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh
terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to
lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do
wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:48:50 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
You think you are being clever?
Mario observes:
Yes, clearly I am far more clever than you are. For example, I could see that it was your friend, Santosh, who lumped your friend, Marlon, in with various terrorists and ne'er do wells who he said were part of a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives.
I think even your Cockney friends would be able to understand what Santosh wrote.
I'm still waiting for evidence from you that banks "consistently" charge prime rates that are lower than interbank rates, yet stay in business. We have already shown that there is no evidence that the interbank rate touched 23%, or that interest rates were the highest during the Reagan administration.
Gabe wrote:
You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.
Mario observes:
I think even your Cockney friends would refer to this as the pot calling the kettle black.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-03 03:22:39 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do.

Just ask yourself two basic questions:
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years?

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world.

I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction.

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Warm regards,

Jim Fernandes
New York.
Bosco D'Mello
2008-11-03 04:14:38 UTC
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Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I
better off during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Post by Jim Fernandes
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off
during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back.

Dude.....seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama
Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St
swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.....:-))
Post by Jim Fernandes
I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better
America and for a peaceful world.
RESPONSE: You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week. I
had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.

Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land
and I'll be there someday..........Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's
nuptials!!

To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially
"hopeful ......change the course of this (American) nation".

- B
PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are
printed and ready.....in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Mario Goveia
2008-11-03 18:22:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Mario responds:
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse" who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the "strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$.
Jim Fernandes wrote:
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Mario responds:
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich" is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to places like India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-03 19:32:44 UTC
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?Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Bosco,
I guess you are happy because you got out in time.
The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting
that the financial situation?is so bad that it could only get worse.
These shorters are still having a ball.........
You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week.
I had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.
?
I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya.
Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year.
?
?
Indonesia will have similar parties.
?
?
In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing.
The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party.
?
?
In Toronto, the party is at my place.
Starts Tuesday morning, runs?over to?the weekend.....
?
?
Mervyn3.0


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Chris Vaz
2008-11-04 05:08:41 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top
form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

Chris comments: If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little
research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George
Bush had inherited an economy in recession.. Through the introduction of
the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his
presidency, with the exception of the current year. Annual GDP was in
excess of 3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with
a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest
rates were also low. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more
to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame
for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who
brought on the current fiscal mess. It will take a little explanation, but
here in brief, is the timeline:

In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the
Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by
making home loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay
the loans..

In the 1990s "community organiser" Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN
activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky.
These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and
demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor
and minority communities. Those banks who resisted were accused of racism
In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against
Citibank. Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated
GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed. He worried that Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the
stockholding few. Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the
Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public
purpose..

In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue
thus: "I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and
community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home
ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before". .

In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA.
The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters
(D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into
the subprime market. Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could
be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families
living in underserved areas. In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie
Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering
$27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives. Treasury Secy Larry
Summers issued this warning: "Debates about systemic risk should also
include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly..." Disregarding
warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit
requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for
lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. NINJA (No Income,
Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception.

In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5
billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations. (It
must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their
lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse)..
Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive
Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow, Repub senators Chuck Hagel,
Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La)
all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong
repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and
economic activity. Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced
legislation to improve GSE oversight. They got nowhere.

In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said "We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and
particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin
Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top
executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries). Barney Frank
told Treasury Sec. Snow: "I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis>"
Click on the link below:

http:// http://youtu.be/RAuOEdttjZQ

Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to
default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed to be
in collapse. due to Democrat redistribution policies and intransigence
despite repeated warnings. As a consequence, leading financial institutions
collapsed dragging the country's economy into the morass. As has been
demonstrated, Bush had little or nothing to do with the debacle.>

Jim claims:

I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a > foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse > with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse > ... errr ... the donkey is in
top form - sleek, agile and > ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery
system.> > But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then >
here's what I'd like you to do. > > Just ask yourself two basic questions:>
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off > during the
Clinton years?> 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during
the > Clinton years?>

Chris responds:

As another poster recently responded, yes, we were better off in Bush years
till the recent subprime mortgage blowout brought on by Democrat policies as
has been stated above. To reiterate, the problem began with Jimmy Carter in
1977 with the institution of the Community Reinvestment Act to provide
"affordable housing" to people who were unqualified to obtain conventional
bank loans.>

Jim opines:

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the > Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up > this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that > Barack and his Democratic party would
change the course of this > nation, for a better America and for a peaceful
world.> > I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US >
Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal > circumstances, I'd
want to have the Congress ruled by a > different party than that of the
President, so that they > maintain checks and balances. But these are
abnormal times that > require the support of more than a simple majority, to
get this > ship moving in the right direction.>

Chris responds:

This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of
Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment
on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and
affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist "we
didn't bomb enough")), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial
supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry
characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He
has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of
which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement
might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save
the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions...>

Jim:

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes > on the
rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Chris responds:

The war is mostly over thanks to the surge fought for and advocated by Sen.
McCain Get over it!

There is finally a budding democracy in the middle of Arabia. Unthinkable
only a few years ago.

Raising taxes on the rich won't solve the problem. The "rich" 10% already
pay 70% of all income taxes. Another fallacy is the Obama myth that 95% of
the population would receive a tax cut. 40% of Americans don't pay income
tax. Under Obama, these 40% would receive what would be a "welfare" check!

There is no evidence that the poor can offer employment to anyone. It takes
the "rich" to take the risk of starting a business, slave for 18 hours a day
to make it a success, and realize the American "dream" which takes a few
years if not a lifetime!

Under Obama, you can be guaranteed the following:

a.. Income redistribution (taking your hard earned money and given to
people who didn't earn it).
a.. Higher taxes to expand government even further than it is.

b.. Union empowerment through intimidation-- no longer secret elections
a.. Flight of businesses outside the country to escape unionization and
punitive taxation
a.. Windfall for lawyers -- no tort reform Open season to file
lawsuits -- real or imagined on businesses
a.. Free, govt. -sponsored and tax-payer funded abortions, including
infanticide.
a.. Negotiations with rogue regimes without preconditions.
a.. No exploitation of our natural resources but dependency on our energy
requirements from regimes that don't like us (Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia (19
of the hijackers were Saudi), Venezuela. Effectively transferring 700
billion of our hard-earned dollars to our enemies to placate our "wacko"
environmentalist campaign donors
a.. A "guaranteed" confrontation with our enemies within the first six
months of an Obama administration according to running mate Joseph Biden.>
a.. A reincarnation of Jimmy Carter and his " malaise" with double-digit
inflation, double-digit unemployment, and 21.5% interest rates.

Scary, ain't it?

Chris
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 16:53:57 UTC
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If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough")), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
George Pinto
2008-11-04 17:39:43 UTC
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Obama is a communist, the secret love-child of some deceased Russian leader. Brezhnev's last words were "O bama" leading one to believe his paternal claims. Barak in Spanish means terrorist, he is the second cousin of Hugo Chavez and has a Venezuelan birth certificate. Iran has made Michelle Obama an honorary citizen and head of the Dept of Anti-Western studies at Teheran University. Obama was in the supermarket last week shopping on aisle 3 and on aisle 12 there was a former Gaza refugee who witnessed a suicide bombing in Palestine. Obama bought the same milk brand as a lady on aisle 6 who cheated on her boyfriend in college.

Regards,
George
Post by Santosh Helekar
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading
the highly rational and independent analysis below then they
would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that
were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are
that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist.
Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an
Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 18:21:24 UTC
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Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough"), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason.
Mario asks:
Santosh,
I re-read the excerpt that you have chosen from the post by Chris Vaz and your response above, and fail to see how "they would have committed treason". At most "they" would have committed ignorance, since, even allowing for some rhetorical flourishes by Chris, the essential facts are all fairly accurate, and stand unrebutted on Goanet.
Santosh wrote:
Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario responds:
I detect some sarcasm here, unless you have suddenly woken up this morning reincarnated as what we would call a far right wing loon when you refer to Obama as a Muslim and anti-American Marxist, and an Arab born in Kenya:-))
No responsible political opponent of Obama has referred to him as a Muslim. In fact, his opponent is on record as telling an ignorant supporter that Obama is not an Arab and is a decent family man.
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Obama is unquestionably a decent family man, and his place of birth would not, by itself, disqualify him if at least one of his parents was an American citizen when he was born.
Though some of his close political and religious associates and mentors from Chicago are clearly anti-American and avowed Marxists and unrepentant domestic anarchists, I would not describe Obama as an anti-American Marxist. However, Obama has clearly professed a belief in certain Marxist economic principles, having to do with higher tax rates on upper income Americans, which may or may not increase actual taxes collected, "redistributing" wealth by government fiat and sharply increasing the role of government in the day-to-day lives of citizens, principles that have never been used to the extent he is suggesting in the USA previously.
In my opinion, a big loser of an Obama presidency will be India, mainly because of the deeper economic slowdown that will result if he lets the Bush tax rate cuts lapse, which will raise the tax rates for all Americans, even before he implements his own tax plans, and the protectionist trade policies he has already promised his union supporters will be among his highest priorities.
Which is why I find it amusing and ironic to see his support among Indians in America and India. Not to mention their ignorance of the contempt that many educated African-Americans hold for educated Indians.
Anyway, Chris has listed his concluding expectations in some detail, and we will be able to monitor these in the months and years to come - if Obama wins of course.
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 20:17:59 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a
school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a
practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his
mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who
also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as
Black Liberation Theology.
Dang! I forgot to mention this. Also, George was kind enough to give us a lot of information that I was not aware of. The biased Obamamania mainstream media has a worldwide conspiracy to hide such important information. In addition to the above, there are many other conspiracies. Let me just add a few before the polls close. It might be too late otherwise.

Focus on the term community organizer, and ask yourself who else was one. Yes, Charles Manson, the murderer! Indeed, Obama is part of a sinister community organization that is home to many murderous cults. There is also an Afro-centric conspiracy to redistribute America's wealth with Africa, and spread that wealth to Obama's many lazy and impoverished relatives who are living in Kenya, Indonesia and other Arab countries like that, as well as several who are living as illegal immigrants in public housing in the U.S. Joe, the plumber has been approached to install complimentary tankless water heaters for them.

Another conspiracy is that Obama has signed a secret pact with Hamaz and Fatah to liberate Jerusalem from Israel. There are also conspiracies with mainstream media to hide the fact that more school children have died on the streets of Chicago over the past 5 years under Osama's watch than soldiers in Iraq, and with Black Panthers to rig the polls in Philadelphia.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 21:00:30 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.
Mario responds:
This is false. The lowering of lending standards was taking place across the US, not just California. This started under President Carter and was expanded under President Clinton when his attorney general was threatening banks with lawsuits if they did not comply.
This situation has nothing to do with obsolete banking laws from the 20's.
Two years John McCain tried to oppose what was happening and was voted down by the Democrats, including Obama, who were all intent on "spreading the wealth" by forcing the banks to lend to low income people, who eventually were unable to repay their loans..
In western Europe, where there are far more regulations and controls the situation is just as bad if nor worse. So, much for regulations, when one political party is intent on "spreading the wealth".
Those blaming Bush and McCain are just plain ignorant of the facts.
Mervyn wrote:
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
Mario responds:
The attempt to help the poor to buy houses they could not afford is what is at the core of the financial mess.
Mervyn wrote:
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.
Mario responds:
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-05 06:12:05 UTC
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Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.

The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.

American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.

Barack shall work with you guys, as well as the Democrats, to ensure the economy turns around and create more opportunities than we ever had in the past eight years.

If you aren't yet ready to digest the fact that Barack would be our new President come January, I'd recommend you guys to go hibernate for the next 8 years (not just 4) and wake up in 2016. By then, the world would be a lot peaceful place, we shall have a much stronger economy and America would have mended strained relationships with many other nations overseas.

Jim Fernandes.
New York.


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From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may
Post by Mario Goveia
be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use
cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas
oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked
Post by Mario Goveia
all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have
opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired
power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear
power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton
left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense
and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for
every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to
control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology
and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b)
The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of
Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary
Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving
President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of
attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin
Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse"
who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the
"strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered
up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable
cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by
then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between,
Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when
they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been
documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information
on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people
they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY.
I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack
the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years,
mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country
in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of
moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter
and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in
order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent
their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to
several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more
stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the
value of the US$.
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If
Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic
radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from
the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from
the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were
previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom
and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and
prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are
fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they
have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and
cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following
information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the
financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a
percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to
go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama
wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich"
is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable
slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the
US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the
labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist
policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to
places like India.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 15:38:20 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
Mario responds:
As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 16:06:26 UTC
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Mario responds:
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent?
Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer?
Regarding Obama "working with you guys", can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress?
Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes?
Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed.
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749
Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them.
We will all find out soon enough.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-06 00:32:16 UTC
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You want to debate me?

Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us.

Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide?

The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: "It's the economy, stupid".

Jim Fernandes.
New York.

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From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his
crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of
Post by Mario Goveia
the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to
understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead
Post by Mario Goveia
wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no
idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b)
has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist
...
...
...
marlon menezes
2008-11-08 05:23:36 UTC
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The state of the union:

http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
From: Gabe Menezes <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My
Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just
don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose
the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet
"stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was
coined by a former Democratic strategist named James
Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the
Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's
father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-08 19:53:04 UTC
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
From: marlon menezes <goacom at yahoo.com>
The state of the union:
http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
Mario asks:
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends.
Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))
Mario Goveia
2008-11-10 18:56:23 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was
the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against
conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are
real terrorists?
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:12:01 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Post by Mario Goveia
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Mario responds:
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
Mario Goveia
2008-11-12 17:49:41 UTC
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http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
In the post above Santosh wrote:
I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent.
Post by Gabe Menezes
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh
terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to
lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do
wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:48:50 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
You think you are being clever?
Mario observes:
Yes, clearly I am far more clever than you are. For example, I could see that it was your friend, Santosh, who lumped your friend, Marlon, in with various terrorists and ne'er do wells who he said were part of a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives.
I think even your Cockney friends would be able to understand what Santosh wrote.
I'm still waiting for evidence from you that banks "consistently" charge prime rates that are lower than interbank rates, yet stay in business. We have already shown that there is no evidence that the interbank rate touched 23%, or that interest rates were the highest during the Reagan administration.
Gabe wrote:
You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.
Mario observes:
I think even your Cockney friends would refer to this as the pot calling the kettle black.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-03 03:22:39 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do.

Just ask yourself two basic questions:
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years?

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world.

I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction.

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Warm regards,

Jim Fernandes
New York.
Bosco D'Mello
2008-11-03 04:14:38 UTC
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Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I
better off during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Post by Jim Fernandes
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off
during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back.

Dude.....seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama
Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St
swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.....:-))
Post by Jim Fernandes
I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better
America and for a peaceful world.
RESPONSE: You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week. I
had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.

Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land
and I'll be there someday..........Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's
nuptials!!

To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially
"hopeful ......change the course of this (American) nation".

- B
PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are
printed and ready.....in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Mario Goveia
2008-11-03 18:22:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Mario responds:
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse" who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the "strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$.
Jim Fernandes wrote:
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Mario responds:
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich" is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to places like India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-03 19:32:44 UTC
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?Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Bosco,
I guess you are happy because you got out in time.
The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting
that the financial situation?is so bad that it could only get worse.
These shorters are still having a ball.........
You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week.
I had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.
?
I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya.
Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year.
?
?
Indonesia will have similar parties.
?
?
In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing.
The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party.
?
?
In Toronto, the party is at my place.
Starts Tuesday morning, runs?over to?the weekend.....
?
?
Mervyn3.0


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Chris Vaz
2008-11-04 05:08:41 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top
form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

Chris comments: If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little
research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George
Bush had inherited an economy in recession.. Through the introduction of
the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his
presidency, with the exception of the current year. Annual GDP was in
excess of 3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with
a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest
rates were also low. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more
to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame
for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who
brought on the current fiscal mess. It will take a little explanation, but
here in brief, is the timeline:

In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the
Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by
making home loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay
the loans..

In the 1990s "community organiser" Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN
activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky.
These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and
demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor
and minority communities. Those banks who resisted were accused of racism
In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against
Citibank. Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated
GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed. He worried that Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the
stockholding few. Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the
Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public
purpose..

In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue
thus: "I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and
community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home
ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before". .

In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA.
The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters
(D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into
the subprime market. Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could
be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families
living in underserved areas. In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie
Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering
$27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives. Treasury Secy Larry
Summers issued this warning: "Debates about systemic risk should also
include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly..." Disregarding
warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit
requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for
lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. NINJA (No Income,
Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception.

In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5
billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations. (It
must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their
lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse)..
Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive
Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow, Repub senators Chuck Hagel,
Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La)
all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong
repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and
economic activity. Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced
legislation to improve GSE oversight. They got nowhere.

In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said "We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and
particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin
Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top
executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries). Barney Frank
told Treasury Sec. Snow: "I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis>"
Click on the link below:

http:// http://youtu.be/RAuOEdttjZQ

Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to
default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed to be
in collapse. due to Democrat redistribution policies and intransigence
despite repeated warnings. As a consequence, leading financial institutions
collapsed dragging the country's economy into the morass. As has been
demonstrated, Bush had little or nothing to do with the debacle.>

Jim claims:

I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a > foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse > with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse > ... errr ... the donkey is in
top form - sleek, agile and > ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery
system.> > But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then >
here's what I'd like you to do. > > Just ask yourself two basic questions:>
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off > during the
Clinton years?> 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during
the > Clinton years?>

Chris responds:

As another poster recently responded, yes, we were better off in Bush years
till the recent subprime mortgage blowout brought on by Democrat policies as
has been stated above. To reiterate, the problem began with Jimmy Carter in
1977 with the institution of the Community Reinvestment Act to provide
"affordable housing" to people who were unqualified to obtain conventional
bank loans.>

Jim opines:

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the > Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up > this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that > Barack and his Democratic party would
change the course of this > nation, for a better America and for a peaceful
world.> > I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US >
Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal > circumstances, I'd
want to have the Congress ruled by a > different party than that of the
President, so that they > maintain checks and balances. But these are
abnormal times that > require the support of more than a simple majority, to
get this > ship moving in the right direction.>

Chris responds:

This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of
Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment
on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and
affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist "we
didn't bomb enough")), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial
supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry
characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He
has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of
which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement
might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save
the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions...>

Jim:

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes > on the
rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Chris responds:

The war is mostly over thanks to the surge fought for and advocated by Sen.
McCain Get over it!

There is finally a budding democracy in the middle of Arabia. Unthinkable
only a few years ago.

Raising taxes on the rich won't solve the problem. The "rich" 10% already
pay 70% of all income taxes. Another fallacy is the Obama myth that 95% of
the population would receive a tax cut. 40% of Americans don't pay income
tax. Under Obama, these 40% would receive what would be a "welfare" check!

There is no evidence that the poor can offer employment to anyone. It takes
the "rich" to take the risk of starting a business, slave for 18 hours a day
to make it a success, and realize the American "dream" which takes a few
years if not a lifetime!

Under Obama, you can be guaranteed the following:

a.. Income redistribution (taking your hard earned money and given to
people who didn't earn it).
a.. Higher taxes to expand government even further than it is.

b.. Union empowerment through intimidation-- no longer secret elections
a.. Flight of businesses outside the country to escape unionization and
punitive taxation
a.. Windfall for lawyers -- no tort reform Open season to file
lawsuits -- real or imagined on businesses
a.. Free, govt. -sponsored and tax-payer funded abortions, including
infanticide.
a.. Negotiations with rogue regimes without preconditions.
a.. No exploitation of our natural resources but dependency on our energy
requirements from regimes that don't like us (Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia (19
of the hijackers were Saudi), Venezuela. Effectively transferring 700
billion of our hard-earned dollars to our enemies to placate our "wacko"
environmentalist campaign donors
a.. A "guaranteed" confrontation with our enemies within the first six
months of an Obama administration according to running mate Joseph Biden.>
a.. A reincarnation of Jimmy Carter and his " malaise" with double-digit
inflation, double-digit unemployment, and 21.5% interest rates.

Scary, ain't it?

Chris
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 16:53:57 UTC
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If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough")), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
George Pinto
2008-11-04 17:39:43 UTC
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Obama is a communist, the secret love-child of some deceased Russian leader. Brezhnev's last words were "O bama" leading one to believe his paternal claims. Barak in Spanish means terrorist, he is the second cousin of Hugo Chavez and has a Venezuelan birth certificate. Iran has made Michelle Obama an honorary citizen and head of the Dept of Anti-Western studies at Teheran University. Obama was in the supermarket last week shopping on aisle 3 and on aisle 12 there was a former Gaza refugee who witnessed a suicide bombing in Palestine. Obama bought the same milk brand as a lady on aisle 6 who cheated on her boyfriend in college.

Regards,
George
Post by Santosh Helekar
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading
the highly rational and independent analysis below then they
would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that
were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are
that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist.
Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an
Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 18:21:24 UTC
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Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough"), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason.
Mario asks:
Santosh,
I re-read the excerpt that you have chosen from the post by Chris Vaz and your response above, and fail to see how "they would have committed treason". At most "they" would have committed ignorance, since, even allowing for some rhetorical flourishes by Chris, the essential facts are all fairly accurate, and stand unrebutted on Goanet.
Santosh wrote:
Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario responds:
I detect some sarcasm here, unless you have suddenly woken up this morning reincarnated as what we would call a far right wing loon when you refer to Obama as a Muslim and anti-American Marxist, and an Arab born in Kenya:-))
No responsible political opponent of Obama has referred to him as a Muslim. In fact, his opponent is on record as telling an ignorant supporter that Obama is not an Arab and is a decent family man.
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Obama is unquestionably a decent family man, and his place of birth would not, by itself, disqualify him if at least one of his parents was an American citizen when he was born.
Though some of his close political and religious associates and mentors from Chicago are clearly anti-American and avowed Marxists and unrepentant domestic anarchists, I would not describe Obama as an anti-American Marxist. However, Obama has clearly professed a belief in certain Marxist economic principles, having to do with higher tax rates on upper income Americans, which may or may not increase actual taxes collected, "redistributing" wealth by government fiat and sharply increasing the role of government in the day-to-day lives of citizens, principles that have never been used to the extent he is suggesting in the USA previously.
In my opinion, a big loser of an Obama presidency will be India, mainly because of the deeper economic slowdown that will result if he lets the Bush tax rate cuts lapse, which will raise the tax rates for all Americans, even before he implements his own tax plans, and the protectionist trade policies he has already promised his union supporters will be among his highest priorities.
Which is why I find it amusing and ironic to see his support among Indians in America and India. Not to mention their ignorance of the contempt that many educated African-Americans hold for educated Indians.
Anyway, Chris has listed his concluding expectations in some detail, and we will be able to monitor these in the months and years to come - if Obama wins of course.
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 20:17:59 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a
school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a
practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his
mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who
also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as
Black Liberation Theology.
Dang! I forgot to mention this. Also, George was kind enough to give us a lot of information that I was not aware of. The biased Obamamania mainstream media has a worldwide conspiracy to hide such important information. In addition to the above, there are many other conspiracies. Let me just add a few before the polls close. It might be too late otherwise.

Focus on the term community organizer, and ask yourself who else was one. Yes, Charles Manson, the murderer! Indeed, Obama is part of a sinister community organization that is home to many murderous cults. There is also an Afro-centric conspiracy to redistribute America's wealth with Africa, and spread that wealth to Obama's many lazy and impoverished relatives who are living in Kenya, Indonesia and other Arab countries like that, as well as several who are living as illegal immigrants in public housing in the U.S. Joe, the plumber has been approached to install complimentary tankless water heaters for them.

Another conspiracy is that Obama has signed a secret pact with Hamaz and Fatah to liberate Jerusalem from Israel. There are also conspiracies with mainstream media to hide the fact that more school children have died on the streets of Chicago over the past 5 years under Osama's watch than soldiers in Iraq, and with Black Panthers to rig the polls in Philadelphia.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 21:00:30 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.
Mario responds:
This is false. The lowering of lending standards was taking place across the US, not just California. This started under President Carter and was expanded under President Clinton when his attorney general was threatening banks with lawsuits if they did not comply.
This situation has nothing to do with obsolete banking laws from the 20's.
Two years John McCain tried to oppose what was happening and was voted down by the Democrats, including Obama, who were all intent on "spreading the wealth" by forcing the banks to lend to low income people, who eventually were unable to repay their loans..
In western Europe, where there are far more regulations and controls the situation is just as bad if nor worse. So, much for regulations, when one political party is intent on "spreading the wealth".
Those blaming Bush and McCain are just plain ignorant of the facts.
Mervyn wrote:
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
Mario responds:
The attempt to help the poor to buy houses they could not afford is what is at the core of the financial mess.
Mervyn wrote:
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.
Mario responds:
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-05 06:12:05 UTC
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Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.

The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.

American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.

Barack shall work with you guys, as well as the Democrats, to ensure the economy turns around and create more opportunities than we ever had in the past eight years.

If you aren't yet ready to digest the fact that Barack would be our new President come January, I'd recommend you guys to go hibernate for the next 8 years (not just 4) and wake up in 2016. By then, the world would be a lot peaceful place, we shall have a much stronger economy and America would have mended strained relationships with many other nations overseas.

Jim Fernandes.
New York.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may
Post by Mario Goveia
be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use
cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas
oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked
Post by Mario Goveia
all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have
opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired
power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear
power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton
left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense
and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for
every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to
control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology
and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b)
The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of
Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary
Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving
President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of
attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin
Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse"
who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the
"strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered
up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable
cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by
then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between,
Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when
they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been
documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information
on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people
they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY.
I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack
the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years,
mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country
in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of
moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter
and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in
order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent
their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to
several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more
stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the
value of the US$.
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If
Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic
radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from
the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from
the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were
previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom
and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and
prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are
fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they
have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and
cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following
information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the
financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a
percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to
go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama
wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich"
is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable
slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the
US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the
labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist
policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to
places like India.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 15:38:20 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
Mario responds:
As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 16:06:26 UTC
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Mario responds:
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent?
Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer?
Regarding Obama "working with you guys", can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress?
Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes?
Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed.
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749
Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them.
We will all find out soon enough.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-06 00:32:16 UTC
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You want to debate me?

Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us.

Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide?

The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: "It's the economy, stupid".

Jim Fernandes.
New York.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his
crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of
Post by Mario Goveia
the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to
understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead
Post by Mario Goveia
wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no
idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b)
has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist
...
...
...
marlon menezes
2008-11-08 05:23:36 UTC
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The state of the union:

http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
From: Gabe Menezes <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My
Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just
don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose
the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet
"stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was
coined by a former Democratic strategist named James
Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the
Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's
father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-08 19:53:04 UTC
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
From: marlon menezes <goacom at yahoo.com>
The state of the union:
http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
Mario asks:
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends.
Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))
Mario Goveia
2008-11-10 18:56:23 UTC
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Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was
the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against
conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are
real terrorists?
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:12:01 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Post by Mario Goveia
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Mario responds:
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
Mario Goveia
2008-11-12 17:49:41 UTC
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http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
In the post above Santosh wrote:
I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent.
Post by Gabe Menezes
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh
terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to
lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do
wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:48:50 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
You think you are being clever?
Mario observes:
Yes, clearly I am far more clever than you are. For example, I could see that it was your friend, Santosh, who lumped your friend, Marlon, in with various terrorists and ne'er do wells who he said were part of a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives.
I think even your Cockney friends would be able to understand what Santosh wrote.
I'm still waiting for evidence from you that banks "consistently" charge prime rates that are lower than interbank rates, yet stay in business. We have already shown that there is no evidence that the interbank rate touched 23%, or that interest rates were the highest during the Reagan administration.
Gabe wrote:
You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.
Mario observes:
I think even your Cockney friends would refer to this as the pot calling the kettle black.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-03 03:22:39 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do.

Just ask yourself two basic questions:
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years?

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world.

I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction.

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Warm regards,

Jim Fernandes
New York.
Bosco D'Mello
2008-11-03 04:14:38 UTC
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Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I
better off during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Post by Jim Fernandes
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off
during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back.

Dude.....seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama
Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St
swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.....:-))
Post by Jim Fernandes
I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better
America and for a peaceful world.
RESPONSE: You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week. I
had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.

Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land
and I'll be there someday..........Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's
nuptials!!

To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially
"hopeful ......change the course of this (American) nation".

- B
PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are
printed and ready.....in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Mario Goveia
2008-11-03 18:22:28 UTC
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Mario responds:
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse" who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the "strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$.
Jim Fernandes wrote:
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Mario responds:
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich" is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to places like India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-03 19:32:44 UTC
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?Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Bosco,
I guess you are happy because you got out in time.
The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting
that the financial situation?is so bad that it could only get worse.
These shorters are still having a ball.........
You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week.
I had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.
?
I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya.
Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year.
?
?
Indonesia will have similar parties.
?
?
In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing.
The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party.
?
?
In Toronto, the party is at my place.
Starts Tuesday morning, runs?over to?the weekend.....
?
?
Mervyn3.0


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Chris Vaz
2008-11-04 05:08:41 UTC
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top
form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

Chris comments: If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little
research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George
Bush had inherited an economy in recession.. Through the introduction of
the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his
presidency, with the exception of the current year. Annual GDP was in
excess of 3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with
a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest
rates were also low. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more
to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame
for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who
brought on the current fiscal mess. It will take a little explanation, but
here in brief, is the timeline:

In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the
Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by
making home loans "affordable"regardless of the borrowers' ability to repay
the loans..

In the 1990s "community organiser" Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN
activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky.
These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and
demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor
and minority communities. Those banks who resisted were accused of racism
In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against
Citibank. Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated
GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed. He worried that Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the
stockholding few. Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the
Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public
purpose..

In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue
thus: "I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and
community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home
ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before". .

In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA.
The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters
(D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into
the subprime market. Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could
be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families
living in underserved areas. In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie
Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering
$27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives. Treasury Secy Larry
Summers issued this warning: "Debates about systemic risk should also
include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly..." Disregarding
warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit
requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for
lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. NINJA (No Income,
Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception.

In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5
billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations. (It
must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their
lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse)..
Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive
Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow, Repub senators Chuck Hagel,
Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La)
all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong
repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and
economic activity. Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced
legislation to improve GSE oversight. They got nowhere.

In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said "We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and
particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin
Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top
executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries). Barney Frank
told Treasury Sec. Snow: "I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis>"
Click on the link below:

http:// http://youtu.be/RAuOEdttjZQ

Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to
default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed to be
in collapse. due to Democrat redistribution policies and intransigence
despite repeated warnings. As a consequence, leading financial institutions
collapsed dragging the country's economy into the morass. As has been
demonstrated, Bush had little or nothing to do with the debacle.>

Jim claims:

I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a > foregone
conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse > with its own weight.
Its a good feeling to know that my horse > ... errr ... the donkey is in
top form - sleek, agile and > ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery
system.> > But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then >
here's what I'd like you to do. > > Just ask yourself two basic questions:>
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off > during the
Clinton years?> 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during
the > Clinton years?>

Chris responds:

As another poster recently responded, yes, we were better off in Bush years
till the recent subprime mortgage blowout brought on by Democrat policies as
has been stated above. To reiterate, the problem began with Jimmy Carter in
1977 with the institution of the Community Reinvestment Act to provide
"affordable housing" to people who were unqualified to obtain conventional
bank loans.>

Jim opines:

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the > Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up > this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that > Barack and his Democratic party would
change the course of this > nation, for a better America and for a peaceful
world.> > I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US >
Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal > circumstances, I'd
want to have the Congress ruled by a > different party than that of the
President, so that they > maintain checks and balances. But these are
abnormal times that > require the support of more than a simple majority, to
get this > ship moving in the right direction.>

Chris responds:

This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of
Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment
on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and
affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist "we
didn't bomb enough")), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial
supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry
characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He
has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of
which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement
might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save
the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions...>

Jim:

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes > on the
rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Chris responds:

The war is mostly over thanks to the surge fought for and advocated by Sen.
McCain Get over it!

There is finally a budding democracy in the middle of Arabia. Unthinkable
only a few years ago.

Raising taxes on the rich won't solve the problem. The "rich" 10% already
pay 70% of all income taxes. Another fallacy is the Obama myth that 95% of
the population would receive a tax cut. 40% of Americans don't pay income
tax. Under Obama, these 40% would receive what would be a "welfare" check!

There is no evidence that the poor can offer employment to anyone. It takes
the "rich" to take the risk of starting a business, slave for 18 hours a day
to make it a success, and realize the American "dream" which takes a few
years if not a lifetime!

Under Obama, you can be guaranteed the following:

a.. Income redistribution (taking your hard earned money and given to
people who didn't earn it).
a.. Higher taxes to expand government even further than it is.

b.. Union empowerment through intimidation-- no longer secret elections
a.. Flight of businesses outside the country to escape unionization and
punitive taxation
a.. Windfall for lawyers -- no tort reform Open season to file
lawsuits -- real or imagined on businesses
a.. Free, govt. -sponsored and tax-payer funded abortions, including
infanticide.
a.. Negotiations with rogue regimes without preconditions.
a.. No exploitation of our natural resources but dependency on our energy
requirements from regimes that don't like us (Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia (19
of the hijackers were Saudi), Venezuela. Effectively transferring 700
billion of our hard-earned dollars to our enemies to placate our "wacko"
environmentalist campaign donors
a.. A "guaranteed" confrontation with our enemies within the first six
months of an Obama administration according to running mate Joseph Biden.>
a.. A reincarnation of Jimmy Carter and his " malaise" with double-digit
inflation, double-digit unemployment, and 21.5% interest rates.

Scary, ain't it?

Chris
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 16:53:57 UTC
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If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough")), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
George Pinto
2008-11-04 17:39:43 UTC
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Obama is a communist, the secret love-child of some deceased Russian leader. Brezhnev's last words were "O bama" leading one to believe his paternal claims. Barak in Spanish means terrorist, he is the second cousin of Hugo Chavez and has a Venezuelan birth certificate. Iran has made Michelle Obama an honorary citizen and head of the Dept of Anti-Western studies at Teheran University. Obama was in the supermarket last week shopping on aisle 3 and on aisle 12 there was a former Gaza refugee who witnessed a suicide bombing in Palestine. Obama bought the same milk brand as a lady on aisle 6 who cheated on her boyfriend in college.

Regards,
George
Post by Santosh Helekar
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading
the highly rational and independent analysis below then they
would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that
were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are
that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist.
Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an
Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 18:21:24 UTC
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Post by Chris Vaz
This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack
thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any
evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His
experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with
the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual
mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant
terrorist "we didn't bomb enough"), Tony
Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter),
Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the
former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted
and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the
highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois
Senate for four years (with mostly "present"
votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile
legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for
president. His singular achievement might be his four
'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to
save the lives of babies born alive due to botched
abortions...>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason.
Mario asks:
Santosh,
I re-read the excerpt that you have chosen from the post by Chris Vaz and your response above, and fail to see how "they would have committed treason". At most "they" would have committed ignorance, since, even allowing for some rhetorical flourishes by Chris, the essential facts are all fairly accurate, and stand unrebutted on Goanet.
Santosh wrote:
Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.
Mario responds:
I detect some sarcasm here, unless you have suddenly woken up this morning reincarnated as what we would call a far right wing loon when you refer to Obama as a Muslim and anti-American Marxist, and an Arab born in Kenya:-))
No responsible political opponent of Obama has referred to him as a Muslim. In fact, his opponent is on record as telling an ignorant supporter that Obama is not an Arab and is a decent family man.
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Obama is unquestionably a decent family man, and his place of birth would not, by itself, disqualify him if at least one of his parents was an American citizen when he was born.
Though some of his close political and religious associates and mentors from Chicago are clearly anti-American and avowed Marxists and unrepentant domestic anarchists, I would not describe Obama as an anti-American Marxist. However, Obama has clearly professed a belief in certain Marxist economic principles, having to do with higher tax rates on upper income Americans, which may or may not increase actual taxes collected, "redistributing" wealth by government fiat and sharply increasing the role of government in the day-to-day lives of citizens, principles that have never been used to the extent he is suggesting in the USA previously.
In my opinion, a big loser of an Obama presidency will be India, mainly because of the deeper economic slowdown that will result if he lets the Bush tax rate cuts lapse, which will raise the tax rates for all Americans, even before he implements his own tax plans, and the protectionist trade policies he has already promised his union supporters will be among his highest priorities.
Which is why I find it amusing and ironic to see his support among Indians in America and India. Not to mention their ignorance of the contempt that many educated African-Americans hold for educated Indians.
Anyway, Chris has listed his concluding expectations in some detail, and we will be able to monitor these in the months and years to come - if Obama wins of course.
Santosh Helekar
2008-11-04 20:17:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a
school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a
practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his
mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who
also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as
Black Liberation Theology.
Dang! I forgot to mention this. Also, George was kind enough to give us a lot of information that I was not aware of. The biased Obamamania mainstream media has a worldwide conspiracy to hide such important information. In addition to the above, there are many other conspiracies. Let me just add a few before the polls close. It might be too late otherwise.

Focus on the term community organizer, and ask yourself who else was one. Yes, Charles Manson, the murderer! Indeed, Obama is part of a sinister community organization that is home to many murderous cults. There is also an Afro-centric conspiracy to redistribute America's wealth with Africa, and spread that wealth to Obama's many lazy and impoverished relatives who are living in Kenya, Indonesia and other Arab countries like that, as well as several who are living as illegal immigrants in public housing in the U.S. Joe, the plumber has been approached to install complimentary tankless water heaters for them.

Another conspiracy is that Obama has signed a secret pact with Hamaz and Fatah to liberate Jerusalem from Israel. There are also conspiracies with mainstream media to hide the fact that more school children have died on the streets of Chicago over the past 5 years under Osama's watch than soldiers in Iraq, and with Black Panthers to rig the polls in Philadelphia.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2008-11-04 21:00:30 UTC
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him.
Mario responds:
This is false. The lowering of lending standards was taking place across the US, not just California. This started under President Carter and was expanded under President Clinton when his attorney general was threatening banks with lawsuits if they did not comply.
This situation has nothing to do with obsolete banking laws from the 20's.
Two years John McCain tried to oppose what was happening and was voted down by the Democrats, including Obama, who were all intent on "spreading the wealth" by forcing the banks to lend to low income people, who eventually were unable to repay their loans..
In western Europe, where there are far more regulations and controls the situation is just as bad if nor worse. So, much for regulations, when one political party is intent on "spreading the wealth".
Those blaming Bush and McCain are just plain ignorant of the facts.
Mervyn wrote:
Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago.
Mario responds:
The attempt to help the poor to buy houses they could not afford is what is at the core of the financial mess.
Mervyn wrote:
BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world.
Mario responds:
Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-05 06:12:05 UTC
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Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet "stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.

The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.

American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.

Barack shall work with you guys, as well as the Democrats, to ensure the economy turns around and create more opportunities than we ever had in the past eight years.

If you aren't yet ready to digest the fact that Barack would be our new President come January, I'd recommend you guys to go hibernate for the next 8 years (not just 4) and wake up in 2016. By then, the world would be a lot peaceful place, we shall have a much stronger economy and America would have mended strained relationships with many other nations overseas.

Jim Fernandes.
New York.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may
Post by Mario Goveia
be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use
cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas
oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked
Post by Mario Goveia
all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have
opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired
power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear
power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton
left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense
and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for
every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to
control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology
and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b)
The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of
Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary
Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving
President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of
attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin
Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse"
who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the
"strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered
up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable
cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by
then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between,
Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when
they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been
documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information
on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people
they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY.
I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack
the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years,
mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country
in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of
moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter
and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in
order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent
their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to
several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more
stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the
value of the US$.
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If
Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic
radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from
the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from
the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were
previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom
and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and
prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are
fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they
have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and
cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following
information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the
financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a
percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to
go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama
wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich"
is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable
slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the
US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the
labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist
policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to
places like India.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 15:38:20 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Your President elect is from a third world country.
Mario responds:
As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-05 16:06:26 UTC
Permalink
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Mario responds:
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent?
Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer?
Regarding Obama "working with you guys", can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress?
Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes?
Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed.
http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749
Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them.
We will all find out soon enough.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-06 00:32:16 UTC
Permalink
You want to debate me?

Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us.

Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide?

The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: "It's the economy, stupid".

Jim Fernandes.
New York.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his
crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of
Post by Mario Goveia
the country.
American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to
understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead
Post by Mario Goveia
wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight.
Jim,
How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no
idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b)
has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist
...
...
...
marlon menezes
2008-11-08 05:23:36 UTC
Permalink
The state of the union:

http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
From: Gabe Menezes <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM
Post by Jim Fernandes
Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My
Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just
don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose
the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet
"stupid". It was a phrase that I believe, was
coined by a former Democratic strategist named James
Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the
Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's
father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
Mario Goveia
2008-11-08 19:53:04 UTC
Permalink
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST)
From: marlon menezes <goacom at yahoo.com>
The state of the union:
http://youtu.be/bNmcf4Y3lGM
Mario asks:
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists?
Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends.
Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney "brother-in-arms" in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))
Mario Goveia
2008-11-10 18:56:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was
the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against
conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are
real terrorists?
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:12:01 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
Post by Mario Goveia
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Mario responds:
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
Mario Goveia
2008-11-12 17:49:41 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
In the post above Santosh wrote:
I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent.
Post by Gabe Menezes
What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling
Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views.
Gabe,
Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh
terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to
lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do
wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-))
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:48:50 +0000
From: "Gabe Menezes" <gabe.menezes at gmail.com>
You think you are being clever?
Mario observes:
Yes, clearly I am far more clever than you are. For example, I could see that it was your friend, Santosh, who lumped your friend, Marlon, in with various terrorists and ne'er do wells who he said were part of a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives.
I think even your Cockney friends would be able to understand what Santosh wrote.
I'm still waiting for evidence from you that banks "consistently" charge prime rates that are lower than interbank rates, yet stay in business. We have already shown that there is no evidence that the interbank rate touched 23%, or that interest rates were the highest during the Reagan administration.
Gabe wrote:
You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous.
Mario observes:
I think even your Cockney friends would refer to this as the pot calling the kettle black.
Jim Fernandes
2008-11-03 03:22:39 UTC
Permalink
I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system.

But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do.

Just ask yourself two basic questions:
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years?

As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world.

I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction.

We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.

Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Warm regards,

Jim Fernandes
New York.
Bosco D'Mello
2008-11-03 04:14:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I
better off during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Post by Jim Fernandes
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off
during the Clinton years?
RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back.

Dude.....seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama
Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St
swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.....:-))
Post by Jim Fernandes
I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better
America and for a peaceful world.
RESPONSE: You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week. I
had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.

Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land
and I'll be there someday..........Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's
nuptials!!

To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially
"hopeful ......change the course of this (American) nation".

- B
PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are
printed and ready.....in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
Mario Goveia
2008-11-03 18:22:28 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 +0000
From: "Jim Fernandes" <amigo007 at att.net>
Post by Jim Fernandes
1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the
Clinton years?
2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton
years?
As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party
(along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the
last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party
would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a
peaceful world.
Mario responds:
Jim,
I wish you wouldn't go around calling people "stupid" while living in what may be a glass house.
You say, "...there's no question..."? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants.
In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place.
It also depends on which facts are important to you.
Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes.
He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals.
By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with.
In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a "weak horse" who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the "strong horse".
The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz.
The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer.
The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered "unsavory" characters.
All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to "spread the wealth" to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it.
This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$.
Jim Fernandes wrote:
We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen.
Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you:
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Mario responds:
The war was only "stupid" from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly "stupid" from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy.
If not for the radicals they would have been well on their way to peace and prosperity by now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why a small number of Islamic radicals are fighting so desperately to deny these countries the freedom and democracy they have voted for, and why the entire left wing seems to stand on the sidelines and cheer for the liberation of these countries to fail.
Regarding the US debt you seem to be concerned about, perhaps the following information may show you a different and more balanced perspective on the financial condition of the US national debt.
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/09/28/165539.php
Regarding the US annual deficits, perhaps you are unaware the deficit as a percentage of GDP DECLINED from 3.5% in 2001 to 1.9% in 2006, and is expected to go no higher than about 3 to 4% if McCain wins, and who knows what if Obama wins.
Also, perhaps you need to think about what Obama's policy of soaking "the rich" is going to do for job creation in the US and the impact that the inevitable slowdown in the economy from these higher taxes will have on the demand from the US for the products and services from India. In addition, he has promised the labor unions that support him that he will implement massive trade protectionist policies, which will also negatively affect outsourcing of jobs and services to places like India.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-11-03 19:32:44 UTC
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?Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up.
Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show.
Bosco,
I guess you are happy because you got out in time.
The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting
that the financial situation?is so bad that it could only get worse.
These shorters are still having a ball.........
You know what Mario says......first Barack has to win this week.
I had to say it....before he says it again for the nth time.
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I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya.
Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year.
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Indonesia will have similar parties.
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In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing.
The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party.
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In Toronto, the party is at my place.
Starts Tuesday morning, runs?over to?the weekend.....
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Mervyn3.0


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