Discussion:
Re: Cancer Decisions - Simoncini's Bicarbonate Treatment For Cancer
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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
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From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

Mervyn1650Lobo


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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 17:53:21 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found
cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Edward Verdes
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

Mervyn1650Lobo


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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

Mervyn1650Lobo


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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

Mervyn1650Lobo


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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-10 07:34:51 UTC
Permalink
From: "Edward Verdes" <eddieverdes at hotmail.com>
<<<>
I am not a physician but I am very much in touch with Goa and have
assisted a few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.
***You do not have to be a physician to speak about cancer. It is our
experience with cancer patients that counts. Common sense tells us a lot.
You know from your contact with the patients in Tata Memorial Hospital. I
know from my close contact with them, even at death bed... I have anointed
Dr.Carlos Barreto, who died of lung cancer... I know about cancer patients
whom I meet everyday. Even today I met a lady who is suffering from breast
cancer and has been operated. What is the survival period? Who can guarantee
it on the basis of American statistics? One of my students died of cancer
within less than one month after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after
he was declared as "cured" by Tata Memorial Hospital.
I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...Being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who
cannot afford the costly medicines. Then those Goans in America who can
only lecture the Goans but can't be there physically in Goa to advise the
cancer patients.
***It is not only poor cancer patients, but rich people, who have spent
lakhs of rupees with medication and surgery, have died within a short time.
Let the Goan physicians and scientists in diaspora leave their cosy place
and come down to "cure" the cancer patients and help the Dalits of India...
Forget about advising the patients...Do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk
their patients? If science has progressed so much,
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors?
***Usually when the cancer patient feels the symptoms and goes for tests, it
is alread metastasized... The lady felt about her breast cancer and went to
the surgeon who told her that it was in the third stage and operated on her.
It is late.
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me: how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients
or their families that its cancer in initial stages?
...I have been with two patients from Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...Both came in healthy and didn't
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. One survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on.
Those, who have visited the Tata Hospital in Mumbai
and have been with the cancer patients, will know what it is...It's so
easy to simply rely on "cut and paste" from websites.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with my medical
knowledge and training.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely sil
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-10 13:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Edward Verdes
Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be
cured if detected in intial stages.... but tell me how many doctors
in Goa have been able to tell their patients or their familes that its
cancer in initial stages?
-snip-
Post by Edward Verdes
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may
have a cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say...... Mollbak
dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but
the hands cant!
Eddie Verdes,
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.

Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later?stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.

I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there?is a monetary cost associated with it.

The alternative, is?early death.

Mervyn1650Lobo


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Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
Permalink
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
Permalink
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
Permalink
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
Permalink
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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Mario Goveia
2009-09-08 16:25:24 UTC
Permalink
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>

The top 10 causes of death from the World Health Organization:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html

Mario responds:

Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.

We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested "alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to point out.

Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone who thinks this information is medically legitimate?

For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.

NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really knows within any probability of effectiveness.

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many of whom are strangely silent.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 18:51:42 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by me
from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to be
investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct. What is
"absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun to
point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge from themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post information
about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to misunderstand
my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be immediatley
treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently. I have given examples of those who
were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by the
Hospital, but have died within one month. How do I put lives "in jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious hnecessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has been
tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands of
cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me. A Priest without any medical training will be able to
confirm the fact of cancer patients with the experience of the people. With
my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Edward Verdes
2009-09-09 23:33:45 UTC
Permalink
I am not a physican but I am very much in touch with Goa and have assisted a
few Goans in their fight with Cancer in Mumbai.

I know Fr. Ivo lives in Goa and he knows whats happening in Goa...being a
priest he is more in
contact with the people in Goa who are suffering from Cancer and who cannot
afford the costly medicines...than
those Goans in American who can only lecture the Goans but cant be there
physically in Goa to advise the cancer patients.

Forget about advising the patients...do they know that the Goan doctors
themselves know about cancer cures or are they
able to detect cancer in the initial stages or their main aim to milk their
patients. If science has progressed so much
why do we have to take opinions from 2-3 doctors.

Tata Memorial Hospital in Mumbai informs us that Cancer can be cured if
detected in intial stages....
but tell me how many doctors in Goa have been able to tell their patients or
their familes that its cancer in initial stages?

As I said in my earlier post on Cancer...I have been with two patients from
Goa who had come to Mumbai.
One had a letter addressed to Dr. in Bombay Hospital and the other Tata
Hospital...both came in healthy and didnt
know it was Cancer...even the family members were not aware. one survived
for 1 year and the other passed away
within a month...I was there with them and have seen what is going on..those
who have visited the tata hospital in Mumbai
n been with the cancer patients will know what it is...its so easy to simply
rely on cut and paste from websites.

I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a
cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......
Mollbak dolle pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can reach the sky...but the
hands cant!

Eddie Verdes

Mario responds:

A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet, many
of whom are strangely sil
Santosh Helekar
2009-09-10 15:06:19 UTC
Permalink
I am not saying Cancer cant be cured.. surely the Americans may have a >cure...but for the poor in Goa it is like we say......Mollbak dolle >pautat, punn hat pavona...our eyes can >reach the sky...but the hands >cant!
I am a Goan. I completed by early medical education in Goa. I am in constant touch with cancer specialists in Goa. I am saying that all common cancers can be cured in Goa through early detection and proper treatment by a highly competent oncologist. The medicines and procedures that are available in the developed world are also available in Goa.

If anecdotes is all you care about then I can tell you that my own grandmother was cured from breast cancer in the early 1970s in Goa and in the Tata Memorial Cancer Centre in Mumbai. She lived much beyond the life expectancy of a normal Indian woman without recurrence of her cancer.
One of my students died of cancer within less than one month after >surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, after he was declared as "cured"
by Tata Memorial Hospital.
This is a fairy tale unworthy of even a cheap Bollywood movie. No scientifically trained physician gives such a declaration, and claims that a patient died of cancer without knowing the details of the case and the exact cause of death, which can only be definitively determined by a pathological autopsy. Common sense tells us that a patient who survived cancer can die of other causes, such as a heart attack.
***Actually, I am trying to help them for palliation with
my medical knowledge and training.
Cancer can only be competently diagnosed and treated today in India by an expert surgical or medical oncologist who has done the following:

1. Completed a five and a half year degree course in modern medicine in a recognized medical college, including a rotating internship of one year.

2. Obtained a modern medical degree and a licence to practice modern scientific medicine.

3. Completed a recognized residency in a medical or surgical specialty.

3. Obtained a postgraduate degree in that specialty.

4. Specialized in cancer surgery or medical oncology through further residency or fellowship training.

5. Maintained an active practice of oncology.

6. Kept up with the latest advances in cancer diagnosis and treatment through medical journals, continuing medical education and refresher courses.

Please do not entrust your life in the hands of a person who does not have the above qualifications and training.

Cheers,

Santosh
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-09-09 19:03:49 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
From: Ivo da C.Souza
"At the beginning of the 1900s, one person out of 100 died of cancer;
today it is one out of three.
We foresee that within a few years one out of two people will die of
cancer.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 00:12:42 -0400
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <bospam at canada.com>
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Once again, we see the absolute garbage on cancer that Fr. Ivo has been
posting.
***Mario is come back with his barrage of postings. The text is taken by
me from Dr.Tullio Simoncini's Website. I have already said that it has to
be investigated. The origin of cancer given by him may not be correct.
What is "absolute garbage" in my posting? Does Mario understand it?
Post by Mario Goveia
We are also seeing a relentless barrage of unscientific and untested
"alternative" medical information from Con Menezes as Santosh has begun
to point out.
***What is wrong if the Website of Dr.Tullio Simoncini is brought to the
knowledge of the readers?
Post by Mario Goveia
Why are these non-physicians posting information on serious issues like
medicine and medical treatments from sources that promote medical
information that has not been reviewed or tested by any respectable
medical authority, that could lead to serious health problems for anyone
who thinks this information is medically legitimate?
***Any one is free to judge for themselves. Let there be a discussion with
several people from the field. Why "non-physicians" cannot post
information about medicine for discussion?
Post by Mario Goveia
For example, if anyone out there believes Fr. Ivo's blanket garbage that
cancer is "incurable" and acts accordingly by delaying testing and
treatment, their lives may be put in jeopardy.
***I did not advise such foolishness. Mario is such a fool to
misunderstand my clear statements. Once cancer is detected, it has to be
immediately treated by cancer specialized hospitals. Have I advised
anything different?
I even mentioned surgeons and physicians who would immediately send the
patients to Tata Memorial Hospital, even though they thought that it would
not be cured, totally and permanently ("let the people have the consolation
of having done everything for the patient"...). I have given examples of
those who were declared "cured" after surgery, chemotherapy and radiation by
the
Hospital, but have died within one month... How do I put lives "in
jeopardy"?
Nobody is going to "delay testing", but being asymptomatic it may come to
knowledge at a late stage... Did I say that nothing should be done for
treatment of cancer, though most of the times it will be palliation and
prolongation of life? Is this not a serious necessary attempt? Why is Mario
misunderstanding and belittling the "non-physicians"?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
NONE of the "alternative" medical information that Con is posting has
been tested by any credible authority. NO ONE should believe any of this
information without checking with a legitimate physician - some of it may
be harmless, some of it may be harmful for your health. No one really
knows within any probability of effectiveness.
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***That is precisely what is being done. It is being tested on thousands
of cancer patients by Dr.Tullio Simoncini. How many "legitimate
physicians"
have tested Dr.Simoncini's new method?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mario Goveia
A PRIEST with no medical training cannot be allowed to spread such
falsehoods in a public forum without rebuttal by medical scientists like
Santosh and the other practicing physicians who are members of Goanet,
many of whom are strangely silent.
***Mario does not understand anything. I challenge any physician on this
point. Dr.Santosh is just quoting American statistics.
This is not happening here under our eyes. We do not need any medical
training for this statement. I have spoken to physicians and surgeons, who
do agree with me totally. A Priest without any medical training will be able
to confirm the "fact" of cancer patients with the experience of the people.
With my pastoral concern and medical training I am meeting cancer
patients...who
have taken all medication from cancer hospitals, but are just eager to know
whether they are going to live for some time... I can only advise them: "Be
not afraid. Mario Goveia in America is living (with cancer...) for some
years, so you also will be living in Goa..." Let Mario not accuse me of
spreading "falsehoods in a public forum"...
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Mervyn Lobo
2009-09-11 01:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
The earlier one detects cancer, the better the chances are of being cured.
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
***This would be ideal. But how many people, men and women, will go
for "free annual medical check-up" in India/Goa? If we can take seriously
"anecdotal evidence", a lady in Goa went for medical check-up, the surgeon
found cancer of uterus in the first degree, operated her, but she died within
short time...
?
?
?
Fr.Ivo,
Once again, here in Canada, the Govt offers a free annual medical examination.
Many people do not take advantage of this service, convincing themselves that
"nothing is going to happen to me."
?
?
The people who do go religiously for the annual check up are the ones who have
heard first hand from their family, or?buddies,?about one of them going for an
annual check?up and being diagnosed in the early stages of a serious malady.
?
?
The other set of people who do not miss their annual check-ups are those who
have lost relatives?when they (the relatives) were still young. These people know
that they?are at high risk to get the hereditary diseases?that felled their relatives.
?
?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question, but rest assured,
A LOT OF PEOPLE will take advantage of free medical services when it is
assessable to them.
?
?
Mervyn1650Lobo
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Here in Canada, the govt focuses on the early detection of every disease.
Residents are provided with a free annual medical check up. This keeps
medical cost low as when cancer is detected in its later stages, the
cost of treatment goes up a hundred fold and chances of survival plummet
drastically.
***This is obvious...
Post by Ivo da C.Souza
Post by Mervyn Lobo
Post by Mervyn Lobo
I urge those in countries which have early detection systems to go for
an annual medical check up. This is regardless of if the service is free or
if there is a monetary cost associated with it.
The alternative, is early death.
***This would be ideal, but does it happen so in developing countries?
Regards.
Fr.Ivo



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