Discussion:
Ambedkar Awas Yojana
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percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
floriano
2004-11-13 03:39:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Rico,
Let me start by answering you last query.
I was alway a 'Camot', but misteriously, my middle name was written as
'Conceicao'.

Names do not make a person. Therefore I have never put much importance on
names. My name could be anything. But I am who I am.

As I have said earlier, on many sensitive occasions I have had to
effectively convince and/or argue my case with my fellow Hindu friends in my
village circle when they had insinuated that they had the heritage in the
village and that I was an outsider.
In the end, they who called me an outsider were all from Maulinge, Pednem,
Nagvem etc. some distant villages in North Goa whereas my not too distant
ancestors were the real Moidekars and were 'Camotins' later changed to Lobos
during the wave of conversions in amchem Goem (16th/17th century).

And of course, this has nothing to do with the 'caste' debate on goanet. I
hate caste system. All that got from me on those goanet posts was the
exercise of the delete button. The 'Camot' came about me wanting to be in
consonance with the heritage debate on the message board of
www.goasu-raj.org

No, I am not suggesting 'violence'. But I suscribe to the fact that violence
begets violence- 10 to 100 more in the ascending order. At one time,
because of the loudspeaker nuisance, the fight that I was involved in, many
years ago, there was a contract put on my life, yes a real contract by the
local SS. The clandestine message that I had sent to the powers that be was
that they would have to leave this part of Moira to the charred remains of
their entire families, households, cattle included, if they botched up to
see me go six feet under-ground, because that wud be my second life and it
would matter to me very little about the consequences. There is peace since
then until now and shall be, including from loudspeakers. So my friend,
Rico, let us not talk of violence in Goa. Goans are "Deva Pau" but not to be
taken for a devastating ride.

GSRP is shortly coming out with its 'Party Stand cum (permanent) Manifesto'
And this is what it has to say on 'Comunidades'

GAUNKARIES (COMUNIDADES)
These pre-Portuguese local indigenous institutions to be made autonomous and
free from State intervention and regulations. The State and the Gaunkaries
to work hand-in-hand for Goa's agricultural & developmental excellence. The
Code of Comunidades which exists in the Portuguese language with its
English language non-official translation which is being used by the
government to interpret rules and statutes shall cease until an official
English language translation is approved and implemented.

with kind regards.

Floriano Camot-Lobo




----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred at bytesforall.org>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.
Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too........
.....................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
..................>>
Post by Frederick Noronha (FN)
PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
percy ferrao
2004-11-11 17:17:11 UTC
Permalink
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?

Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
floriano
2004-11-12 01:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Dear Percy,
Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land'
We Goans are a funny lot, aren't we?
If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died for was to be
gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government one of these
things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water.
W. BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices.
TAMIL NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct.
KASHMIR - Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom
come.
KERALA- Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala.
GOA- Kneel down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house'
banner.

BTW in the "Meeting of the minds - LOK ULOITAT to be held at CARITAS on
20/Nov/04 (4 P.M.), John Philip Pereira, special attorney of the Comunidade
of Nagoa (Verna) will speak on "Ambedkar Awas Yojana" and its disastrous
consequences for Goans.

Floriano Camot Lobo


----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc: <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to gift it
to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments policy of
maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we Goans have to
sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of land or build a house
at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and daylight robbery by our
unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and dilute the ethnic goan
people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone (Cuncolim) have rightly
demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to demonstrate and get rid of
all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2004-11-12 20:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Reply to some friends whom I obviously disagree with.
Nothing personal. Just a difference in understanding.

Percy, you're mixing up issues. Obviously politicians don't *own*
comunidade land. But they have, can and will make use (or abuse) of
the land acquisition act,which dates back British colonial vintage.
This is a law under which the state can take for almost any purpose
whatsoever. Books have been written on this law, which is obvious
open to (mis)use and has been continued in post-1947 India too.

Some politicians in Goa have boosted their real-estate earnings,
by allegedly threatening to 'acquire' prime land for some
'official' project or the other. If you notice, there is a lot
of unfairness over whose land is acquired, for what purpose,
and when.

The issue of the Ambedkar Yogana is mysterious. It's hard to
comprehend what the State has in mind, coming as the plan does just
a few weeks after CM Parrikar made his typically-Goan anti-migrant
statements (after returning from the BJP chief ministers' conference
in Delhi). At that time, he had said "Migrants are causing social
tensions in Goa and are not welcome here. We are already working
on some economic measures to reverse the trend." (Quoted in
'Deccan Herald', Bangalore Sept 15, 2004 'Goa to check flow of
migrants'.)

Ironically, by their blind opposition, opponents of the
CM are falling into the trap of firming-up the vote-bank building
attempts, instead of working to ensure that these calculations
don't come true. (A Churchill Alemao could make a religious
polarisation come unstuck in South Goa in 2004, but this was
possible only by *not* falling into the trap of communalism.) To
make matters worse, the debate has been firmly in the hands of the
alarmist segments of public opinion formation, which have in the
past too manipulated public opinion to their own ends.

Percy, I think as long as large numbers of Goans outmigrate,
infating Goa's economy with their remittances, the fuel for
in-migration will only work stronger. But then we don't
want all those low-paying, unskilled, uggh! jobs for ourselves,
do we? Specially not us guys who shout the loudest!

Floriano, are you suggesting violence? In reality, what the
picture looks like largely depends on your
interpretation of it. One could give an alternate
interpretation as under:

PUNJAB: Discriminated against, penalised for their affluence and
productivity (as in Green Revolution). Then having to face
the Julio Ribeiros and now Sunith Rodrigues (one can see these
guys blaming "Goans" for "ruining" their state someday, just as
how some of us blame "Sikhs" armymen for their involvement for
1961!).

W.BENGAL: Facing large amount of in-migration (mainly economic,
not communal as the BJP pretends it to be) from Bangladesh!

TAMIL NADU: Hindi-oppression from the North. Also the caste thingy.

KASHMIR: Why do *you* guys not let us do what we want to?
Rigged elections, human right abuses, etc.

KERALA: Lots of unemployment, and issues such as RKN pointed to.

GOA: We burst into flames whenever the Opposition (or even
dissidents) decide, often in a cynical manipulation of public
opinion for political purposes. Eg. anti-migrant Vasco riots
in 1983, 'language' agitation in 1985-87 (those killed where the
poor who gained nothing), anti 'molestation' agitation to put a
dissident (albeit with a controversial reputation) Narvekar in his
place, Konkan Railway agitation (which petered out when Wilfred de
Souza got the chief minister's gaddi) and so on.

Come on guys, every state in India likes to claim victim-status.
Can't we look at things in a more balanced perspective? We
already have more than enough regional chauvinism in Goa.
Do take up the issues that matter.-FN

PS: Florianbab, Camot kenna zaloi re? Was it the
untended influence of the Goanet debate on caste?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:31:34 +0530
From: floriano <floriano at sancharnet.in>
Dear Percy, Greetings from the 'Gift-Away Land' We Goans are a funny lot,
aren't we? If the house and the property one has worked, sweated and died
for was to be gifted away by some industrious crook called the Government
one of these things would happen in these places:

PUNJAB - a blood bath where they do not want to share even their water. W.
BENGAL - Burning of public property like buses and Government offices. TAMIL
NADU - Another Veerappan would arise to maim, kill and abduct. KASHMIR -
Parliament house with the parliamentarians blown up to kingdom come. KERALA-
Government ministers would be on permanent Yatra outside Kerala. GOA- Kneel
down to say " PRAISE THE LORD" and put up a 'welcome to my house' banner.

Floriano Camot Lobo

----- Original Message -----
From: "percy ferrao" <percyferrao at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: [Goanet]Ambedkar Awas Yojana
Post by percy ferrao
When the politicians don't own the communidade land, are they right to
gift it to the landless (migrants & thier cronies)? Is the Governments
policy of maintaining low birth rate only for the Goans? And why do we
Goans have to sweat it out in distant lands in order to buy a piece of
land or build a house at astronomical rates ? This is a sinister move and
daylight robbery by our unscruplous politicians to garner vote banks and
dilute the ethnic goan people. The people of Curtorim and Pazarkone
(Cuncolim) have rightly demonstrated,isn't it time for the rest of us to
demonstrate and get rid of all these yojana's ?
Percy Ferrao
Ealing Road
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