Discussion:
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
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JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
Permalink
Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:

It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
Permalink
Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:
http://youtu.be/a5K-ZQZj61s
It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
Permalink
Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:
http://youtu.be/a5K-ZQZj61s
It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
Permalink
Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:
http://youtu.be/a5K-ZQZj61s
It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
Permalink
Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:
http://youtu.be/a5K-ZQZj61s
It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
JoeGoaUk
2010-05-05 09:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Goan Observer, Rajan Narayan and his stray thoughts
?
Ref. GO dtd 1-7 May 2010
?
First time I come to know that JoeGoaUk figured in Rajan Narayan?s
Straight Thoughts when I read a post in goajourno forum forwaded
by Agusto Pinto on May 3.
Thenafter I also got a mail by the same Agusto with diff subject line but copied
to about 50 others.

?After I finished responding to it (cc to all) see quote 2 below, few hours later,
?the same also appeared on Goanet, again by Agusto Pinto.
?
Yesterday, I bought the Copy of GO, and found out more about it.
It really surprised me to see RN besides taking on FN also took on JoeGoaUk.
Perhaps, he ran out of all other ?Save Goa? or politicians related issues or thoughts.
?
Also, it appears that RN,? while writing his thoughts,
referred to some other published source (not being his own or GO?s) and
hence it appears that? he did not know what he was talking about.?
Particularly,? when he accused JoeGoaUk? of ?posting Konkani CDs
without any permission of those who have brought out the CDs?

What CDs he was talking about, audio or VCDs?
It clearly reveals whatever information he got? is a borrowed one or
?second hand information or without knowing the facts.

Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004)?only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the?
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year? in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
?
Here is a latest VCD/ Example
Quote (1)
VCD/DVD No.310
EK JIVO BORVANSO by A.B. Luis
With Cersor board Certificate
With Anil Pednekar, Selvy, Sandra, Anthony San,
Master Aron, Spirit, Antonette de Maina etc etc
VCD/DVD Rs.200????????????????? April/2010
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4517756056/
unquote
?
His collection even featured in Herald recently
Check it out here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr4/4434031148/sizes/l/
?
Talking about copyright violations, RN or his GO pretends as if they have nothing to hide.
They too steal other people?s work of which I was also a victim at least once (see quote 2)
?
Some may steal it with clear conscious others may do it with dirty mind
?
Having said all this, nowhere I am denying the fact that I myself is a thief
?
My next one would be on ?Tiatr, Tiatrists, TAG & JoeGoaUk.
?
This is what I sent to all (including RN) on 3rd May.
Quote (2)
Looks like there are some misunderstanding particularly in respect to
posting of VCD Covers which is a free promotion of new VCD arrivals at
my cost.
Over 325 VCDs I have? and about half of them still remained sealed or
un-opened.
And here i am,? like a fool, kept on buying the new arrivals as and
when they came out for sale only to promote them on net.
I really thought I was helping our Konkani
I really thought I was helping our artistes
I really thought I was helping in promoting our Goa and its culture & tradition
?
If tiatirsts or VCD producers have a problem, they should have at
least written to me once.
Most of them have their email IDs though.
Looks like they want to make a 'news' first.
?
never mind.
My conscious is clean
but a lesson learnt
===
So, we all are thieves including Rajan Narayan's GO.
GO once used my 4in1 casino boat pics, w/o my permission (Jan.2009) as
if there were no copyright violations
?
this pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2503334740/
?
I wrote to them (GO) and their reply was
Quote:
Dear Mr Joe,
We're extremely sorry for not crediting your photograph in the
newspaper. We will do so in the forthcoming issue and we would be
?happy to send you a cheque for the photo we published if you could send
us a mailing address. I apologise again for the error.
Regards,
Jonquil Sudhir de Souza
unquote:
I have a name 'Joe' so says GO in above reply
==
Unquote:
They say they would give the credit in the forthcoming issue but they didn?t .
?
So, what we learnt from this lesson?
?Padrinche xermao vhoniek nhuim?
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
May he who has no sin, cast the first stone
?
After all this agro,? you may now wish to know
If I would continue buying/reading GO?
- Why not?
Infact, I never miss it despite of the fact it recently gone up from Rs.5 to Rs.8.
I always buy my copy even though it sometimes/always available online for free.
That?s my way of supporting Goan causes.
Further more, of the Rs.8,? I spent, the first Rs.3 ?I recover from the front page,
next 2 from the cover story, then next 2 from stray thoughts and the remaining 1
from the rest.
?
?We are for Goa. So we all say
Some? may show/prove it with louder noise
Some may do it with moderate noise
Yet some may do it silently or anonymously?
?
Whatever they do in whatever ways they can..
Let them do it!


Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
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Frederick Noronha
2010-05-05 11:35:30 UTC
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Fyi, JoeGoaUk (since 2004) only promotes the new arrival of VCDs with
scanned copy of the VCDs Front Cover and with the names of the
director/producer, other artistes, price tag and the month/year in
which it was released.
JoeGoaUk does not sell VCDs
As happens with many issues, this one too is getting confused with so
many allegations, "facts" and controversies being raked up, often based
on a misunderstanding of the ground reality.

For one, I don't understand how the VCD issue got mixed up with the
tiatr one. These are obviously very different concerns.

As far as the tiatrs go, here's one example of JoeGoaUk's postings:
http://youtu.be/a5K-ZQZj61s
It is far from a "complete recording" of the tiatr (as Samir suggested)
and is what JoeGoaUk calls a "trailer".

Personally, I too see it as an introduction to the tiatr, meant to whet
the potential audience's appetite, while giving full credit to the
producer of the work and all the participating artistes.

It is similar to the book reviews I do. There is an element of quoting
from the work, including short excerpts. The source is clearly
mentioned; stating where the book is available would hopefully help the
author/publisher to sell some copies.

[For the record, I also believe in sharing my own work, where possible.
Some of our books published by Goa,1556 are available in full-text on
the Net. This helps to *increase* interest in the book, rather than
detract from it. In my experience, it helps to build sales, not reduce
it. But such counter-intuitive logic takes time for it to be convincing.]

The issue of copyright for theatre has been widely studied, in other
parts of the world too. For instance:
http://lecatr.people.wm.edu/copy.htm

But the formal law is one thing, and undertstading what is in our best
interest in another thing. For instance, I could use a "Copyright" under
my photographs. But the bulk of my work use a Creative Commons "some
conditions apply" license, which allows free reproduction for
non-commercial purposes BUT with attribution.

The question is whether the tiatrists feel that such brief recordings
help their work or detract from it. Does it help build awareness about
their productions, or make their audiences shrink? I doubt it would be
the latter case, though the proliferation of copyright-thinking makes us
want to copyright anything within our grasp!

As I see it, for smaller cultures, the bigger threat is from
*obscurity*, rather than "piracy".

The feeling I got from the April 17, 2010 discussion was that the
tiatrists' attitude was ambivalent, if slightly tilting towards wanting
the publicity too. This is all new technology. The Internet, as we know
it, was not here for much of our adult life (except for the youngsters!)
The tiatrist's job is in the auditorium, and the lack of an
understanding of how cyberspace works only complicates things further.

At the TAG (Tiatr Academy of Goa) discussion, the tiatrists were more
than willing to concede that they did benefit from some publicity in
cyberspace. Some spoke about "unauthorised" recordings, and felt that it
should be done "properly". (Privately, they'll willing to concede that
it's too costly -- and probably not worth their while -- to do a
professional recording, from which they see no immediate returns
anyway.) At the same time, some tiatr tickets today carry a footnote
which reads, "Video/mobile/camera recording of this tiatr or any part of
it is STRICTLY NOT PERMITTED."

To my mind, it would make more sense if the tiatrists entered into a
creative dialogue to see how the new cybertechnologies could help their
work and their art, rather than perceiving it just as a threat.

One or two persons who spoke seemed a bit miffed that they didn't quite
know who JoeGoaUk was (because of his preference for anonymity). One
person even felt that I should know who JoeGoaUk is, because, in any
case, I'm spending a lot of time online :-)

If JoeGoaUk wants to spread awareness about Goa's cultural diversity
behind anonymity, I think we're wasting our time focusing on this part
of the debate. The big challenge is for traditional cultural products of
Goa to be able to become visible globally in a cyber-age.

Needless to say, it will take some convincing before residual fears on
this account are dealt with. In the meantime, I guess, anyone wanting to
settle scores can use such issues, and marshall some half-facts, to rake
up needless controversy.

JoeGoaUk, I think the true test on whether you're doing something
positive or not, and whether your work is being effective, is that
people sit up, take note, and start taking pot-shots. When this first
hit me, I was quite taken aback! Now, I smile, sometimes have a good
hearty laugh (it's entertainment without tax!), and just think to
myself: "Sour grapes!"

Don't let it bother you. Just keep on doing what you're best at. In the
meanwhile, see which tiatrists have a problem with what you're doing,
and focus on the others. In time, the others will realise their loss. --FN
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