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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
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Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


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Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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r_barreto
2004-03-23 08:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Goenkars !


I am pleased to share with members of this forum , minutes of a meeting
held at
India Club ?in London. This meeting was called for - to meet Bevinda
Collaco , from
Goa and
also to launch the Goan International Writers Workshop ? uk chapter.

At that meeting , Cliff Pereira agreed to lead this newly formed
organization
by being its
first chairman, Goans in the uk wishing to join this organization can do so

by visiting:

Subscribe: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
List owner: GoanInternationalwritersworkshop_Uk-owner at yahoogroups.


I will now let Cliff takeover and the minutes follows.


ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Notes from the Goan Writers Workshop.

Date: 12th March 2004.
Venue: India Club, Strand, London.
Time: 18.30.

Present: List of those present with Rene.
Apologies: Cornel D?Costa.

Affairs.
1) Introduction by all those present.

2) Introduction by Bevinda Collaco (editor) on ?dummy? version of revised
book
on Goa. Explaining the contents and the illustrations.

3) Mention and viewing of Iggy Tavares? book Glimpses of Goa.

4) Discussion and debate on Goan issues
a) Need to reassess the requirements of second/third generation Goan
diaspora in Britain.
Points raised ?

1) The Goan diaspora in Britain has multiple origins including Goa, Bombay,
former
British East Africa, Mozambique, Aden, Karachi and Portugal.
2) The Goan diaspora has a varied identity, ranging from Portuguese,
Misticio, Goan,
Hindu Goan, Christian Goan, Indian, etc.
3) Goan diaspora identity is dependent on the age of diaspora individual,
family history
of migration and colonial rule, religious affiliation in Goa, etc.
4) Goans lake many peoples have a mixed and varied (perhaps unique) genetic
make-
up (Aryan, Dravidian, Portuguese, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Oriental and
African). However
the Asian elements predominate.

b) Need to preserve and record our diaspora history.
Point raised ?
1) That this should come not from Goa but from the diaspora itself.
2) There is a lack of funding opportunities in/from Goa.

c) Iggy Tavares explained more about the photography in his book Glimpses
of Goa.
Points raised ?
1) The book was funded, bound and printed entirely at the expense of Iggy.
2) There is a need for a ?body? to advertise the new books produced by
Goans
or about Goa.
3) Contrary to popular belief there is considerable interest in all things
Goan
from second and third generation diaspora Goans.

d) Outline and workings of the Amche Historr, the Goan Oral History Project
?
represented here by Shirley, Michael, Magret and Cliff.
Point raised ?
1) Lack of funding and initiative from the GOA.
2) The organisation was self-formed/developed and sought its own funding.
3) Funding is available from local and national funding bodies for many
possible Goan projects but there is no overall Goan body to seek and
support funding
projects such as these.
4) Non-financial support for Amche Historr was from Eddie D?Sa and Eddy
Fernandes and from the local GOA.

e) Moving Here project by the Public Records Office (PRO). This project
features
a website which is supposed to represent Britain?s multicultural
communities and their
migration stories.
Points raised ?
1) Despite our rich association with Britain there was originally no
mention of
Goans.
2) When Goans were mentioned the definition of this community as racially
entirely part Portuguese was a gross error.
3) Luis Godinho took on the task in London and Goa to address and correct
this
issue and has finally managed to make some changes.
4) It is hoped that transcripts from the Amche Historr project will be used
to
raise the profile of Goans in the Moving Here project.
5) Luis to work with Amche Historr on enhancing the Goan experience for
Moving Here.

f) National Maritime Museum (NMM). The representation of Goans in British
maritime history was non-existent three years ago.
Points raised ?
1) When Cliff Pereira first approached the NMM four years ago
to trace his great grandfathers story, he was told that the NMM holdings
did not
include ?Portuguese Goa?.
2) After using the NMM?s own records a biography of a Goan sailor in the
Royal Navy in
World War I was produced and filed with the NMM.
3) The NMM now feature Goans and other Asians in three of their galleries.





g) The NMM has contracted Cliff Pereira to write website narratives on 6
communities in the Port of London as part of the Portcities project.
Points raised ?
1) This is the first time a British national institution has featured the
Goans as
a historical community in Britain.
2) The narrative on Goans is featured on www.portcities.org.uk in English
and
Konkani.
3) This is the first time that a British institution has produced anything
in
Konkani.
4) Despite invitations to three members of the Southeast Goans Association
?
nobody turned up at the launch.
5) Other communities represented in this project (Portuguese, Swahili,
Somali,
Bengali and Chinese) were fully represented.

h) The issue of Goan family history (Genealogy) was raised by many people.
Points raised ?
1) There is considerable interest in family history by all diaspora
communities
eg. Irish in the US, Afro-Caribbean, Sikhs, Parsees, Gujaratis in the UK.
2) There is no website, or booklet for Goan genealogy.
3) There is interest from the second/third generation Goan diaspora on
searching their roots.
4) Considerable Goan records are available in the UK
5) How do we get this across to the community?
6) Difficulty in accessing records in Goa.

Conclusion.
The lively debate on Goan issues resulted in some positive conclusive
points.
? There is a movement in the Goan community over time away from
the ?traditional club culture? that was prevalent among the Goans of East
Africa and first
generation of Goans immigrants to Britain. This is due to the integrated
nature of British
society ? as opposed to the segregation-based colonial society of East
Africa.
? Young Goans have more sporting opportunities from schools, collages and
universities then could possibly be offered by the GOA.
? Younger Goans born and/or brought-up in Britain may face an identity
crisis
quite different to their parents. Issues of caste, creed and affiliation
are different.
? The second generation of Goans in the UK are less likely to see
themselves
as ?Goans? but as British Asians of Goan origin with a sense of ?here to
stay? unlike
their ancestors. Issues of caste and creed are far less a problem.
? The definition of a diaspora Goan in the future will not include someone
born
or whose parents are born in Goa, and does not speak Konkani. Heritage will
be seen
more in historical and genealogical sense.
? There is considerable pride in Goan origin that is not always met by the
GOA.
? The GOA needs to review the requirements of Goans in the UK if it is to
continue to function.
? Many people around the world (often non-Goans) are involved in ?heritage?

work on our community and we are often ignorant of this.
? A ?forum? is required to meet the networking requirements of the many
writers, historians, and researchers dealing with all aspects of Goan
culture ? especially
in the diaspora.



Proposal.

A proposal was put forward by Rene Barreto that a committee and website be
established to facilitate the varied ?heritage? work being done by Goans
and non-Goans
on Goan issues. This would encourage, promote and advertise the work done
by and on
our community.

The site would include:
? A research site to include the researchers email address and topic.
? Book reviews of published books.
? Proposed projects.
? On going projects.
? Sign-posting for researchers, writers and ?lay? persons with an interest.
? Links to other relevant sites.

Cliff Pereira

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