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[Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
Aires Rodrigues
2011-08-29 13:05:41 UTC
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With some of the expenditure details yet to come in, the Goa
Government has already incurred an expenditure of over Rs 12, 60, 000
on the four day Global Goans Convention which was held at London from
July 22nd to July 25th this year. This has been revealed in
information obtained under the Right to Information Act.

The expenditure incurred includes a financial assistance of Rs 6, 11,
231 ( GBP 8500) given to the Goan Association (UK). An amount of Rs 1,
43, 957 was spent on the airfare of Mr. Eduardo Faleiro, Commissioner
of NRI affairs from Goa to London and back. The airfare of Mr.
U.D.Kamat, Director of NRI Affairs however cost Rs 45, 189. The
authorities have been unable to explain as to why the airfare of Mr.
Eduardo Faleiro cost the Goan tax payer three times more that that of
Mr. U.D.Kamat.

Mr. Eduardo Faleiro and Mr. U.D.Kamat were also paid a daily cash
allowance of GBP 388.78 from 20th July to 27th July amounting to a
total of Rs 28.533 each. They both stayed at a deluxe four star hotel
Crown Plaza London - St James and the bill of their lodging and
boarding there is still awaited.

A dinner hosted by Mr. Eduardo Faleiro at London on 21st July for the
office bearers of the Goan Association (UK) cost the Goan tax payer an
additional Rs 19,162.

An amount of Rs 2, 34,611 was spent on the lodging, boarding and
transportation within London for the 14 member cultural group that was
flown in from Goa. An amount of
Rs 29, 930 was also spent on their rail fare to Mumbai and back to
complete the UK Visa formalities. The airfare of this 14 member group
from Goa to London was sponsored by the Indian Council of Cultural
Relations, New Delhi and the total amount of expenditure incurred on
their Goa ? London - Goa travel is still awaited. So also the
expenditure incurred on the daily allowance paid to each of this 14
member group.

While Rs 66,787 was spent on the airfare of a Guest speaker Dr Damodar
Sardesai who had flown in from Los Angelos another Guest speaker Dr.
Teotonio De Souza who flew in from Lisbon cost Rs 23, 620.

The Goa Government also further incurred an expenditure of Rs 21, 508
on designing and decor of banners for the convention while the
miscellanous expense amounted to
Rs 6, 938.

Most if not all the above expenditure was unnecessary and avoidable.
One should not wine, dine and make merry at the cost of the State
exchequer. In one way or the other it all amounts to Corruption. The
moot question however is whether the Goa Government which does not
have the money to fund the much needed garbage disposal plant at
Bainguinim can squander money in lakhs. And that too while thousands
of Senior citizens are queued up for their old age pension and are
being told that the State coffers are empty.


Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372
Gabe Menezes
2011-08-29 20:10:06 UTC
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Post by Aires Rodrigues
With some of the expenditure details yet to come in, the Goa
Government has already incurred an expenditure of over Rs 12, 60, 000
on the four day Global Goans Convention which was held at London from
July 22nd to July 25th this year. This has been revealed in
information obtained under the Right to Information Act.............
Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372
Dear Aires,

You are indeed a champion; the people in London would have had to wait until
the cows came home, to get any figures from this, self proclaimed, most
transparent bods ever!

Believe me you, they would have liked to and have controlled what can be
published and what is acceptable. My friend has been told to toe the line,
nudge, nudge - wink, wink.

The youngsters have spoken - function cancelled for want of support - time
to call it a day? not on your nelly, like limpets they cling on.
--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
JoeGoaUk
2011-08-29 20:59:14 UTC
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Re: Mr. Faleiro Air Ticket is 3 times more than UD Kamat..
May be it?s because the ticket cost quoted also includes Mrs. Faleiro and as such theirs could be Business class ticket and not Economy.
According to my estimates (based on the figures provided in RTI) the whole thing could cost Tax Payers 25 lacs including airfare of 14 member folk dance troupe around 7 lacs. Whoever sponsored their airfare should have also covered their Bombay Visa/Travel expenses, their food, hotel and daily allowance whilst in London
Mr & Mrs Faleiro in London
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_london2/5973984794/
?

?
A section of 14 member Goan Hindu folk dance troupe in London
?Kala Academy Member Secretary Mr. Pandurang Phaldesai also seen (?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_london2/6024055556/
?

btw, whose Idea was it ?to bring in the folk dance troupe which performed or depicted mainly a Hindu dance Culture of Goa??
I mean, there could be also Kunbi dance, Mando, Corrodinho etc.
I just found it odd, that?s all.
It was more of 'Shigmo' than 'Canrnival'
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_london2/5973427859/sizes/z/in/photostream/

?
Joegoauk at yahoo.co.uk

for Goa & NRI related info...
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-08-30 11:40:03 UTC
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Excellent work, Aires. I wonder if the same information can be gleaned
from the Goan Association UK to make the whole process completely
transparent!

Cyprian Fernandes
lyrawmn
2011-08-30 04:58:38 UTC
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Mr.Rodrigues,
?
Another example of pigs at the trough!
?
This shameless behavior of corrupt NRI bagmen is aided and abetted by the Goanese abroad endorsing these junkets, but funded by the good people of Goa who have no say in the matter.
In the name of Goan unity. Ha!
Surely tax revenue generated in Goa should stay in Goa for the much needed improvements.
Not help subsidize conventions such as the July junket and other ridiculous NRI programs [Know Goa Programme (KGP) and Goa Scholarship Program for Diaspora Children] which give affluent Goans a free pass. Where is the fairness?
Those promoting these freebies in the name of global goan unity are in reality furthering their own agendas.
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Cheers,
I. Nunes
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AiresRodrigues <airesrodrigues1 at gmail.com wrote:
<<<With some of the expenditure details yet to come in, the Goa Government has already incurred an expenditure of over Rs 12, 60, 000on the four day Global Goans Convention which was held at London from July 22nd to July 25th this year. This has been revealed in information obtained under the Right to Information Act.
The expenditure incurred includes a financial assistance of Rs 6, 11, 231 ( GBP 8500) given to the Goan Association (UK). An amount of Rs 1, 43, 957 was spent on the airfare of Mr. Eduardo Faleiro, Commissionerof NRI affairs from Goa to London and back. The airfare of Mr. U.D.Kamat, Director of NRI Affairs however cost Rs 45, 189. The authorities have been unable to explain as to why the airfare of Mr. Eduardo Faleiro cost the Goan tax payer three times more that that ofMr. U.D.Kamat. Mr. Eduardo Faleiro and Mr. U.D.Kamat were also paid a daily cash allowance of GBP 388.78 from 20th July to 27th July amounting to atotal of Rs 28.533 each. They both stayed at a deluxe four star hotel Crown Plaza London - St James and the bill of their lodging and boarding there is still awaited. A dinner hosted by Mr. Eduardo Faleiro at London on 21st July for the office bearers of the Goan Association (UK) cost the Goan tax payer an additional Rs 19,162. An amount of Rs
2, 34,611 was spent on the lodging, boarding and transportation within London for the 14 member cultural group that was flown in from Goa. An amount of Rs 29, 930 was also spent on their rail fare to Mumbai and back to complete the UK Visa formalities. The airfare of this 14 member group from Goa to London was sponsored by the Indian Council of Cultural Relations, New Delhi and the total amount of expenditure incurred on their Goa ? London - Goa travel is still awaited. So also the expenditure incurred on the daily allowance paid to each of this 14 member group. While Rs 66,787 was spent on the airfare of a Guest speaker Dr Damodar Sardesai who had flown in from Los Angelos another Guest speaker Dr. Teotonio De Souza who flew in from Lisbon cost Rs 23, 620. The Goa Government also further incurred an expenditure of Rs 21, 508 on designing and decor of banners for the convention while the miscellanous expense amounted to Rs 6, 938. Most if not all the
above expenditure was unnecessary and avoidable. One should not wine, dine and make merry at the cost of the State exchequer. In one way or the other it all amounts to Corruption. The moot question however is whether the Goa Government which does not have the money to fund the much needed garbage disposal plant at Bainguinim can squander money in lakhs. And that too while thousands of Senior citizens are queued up for their old age pension and are being told that the State coffers are empty.>>>
Mervyn &amp; Elsie Maciel
2011-08-30 13:17:10 UTC
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Date: Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Subject: FW: [Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
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Subject: RE: [Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:53:24 +1030

Aires,

This is a piece I wrote a few weeks ago:


I was very impressed that the GA had taken on challenge of hosting the GGC
as part of your own celebrations. However, in the quiet light of day, the
convention raises many questions.

I am not into criticising or detracting from the conference. My efforts are
aimed at setting out the facts. Is the convention worthwhile or not? If it
is, why, what does it deliver? If the convention is to have a future, what
is the best way forward? A professional redesign of the convention? I also
have a problem with the use of the word ?convention?. Perhaps it is a word
favoured by spin doctors to make a meeting look grander than it actually is.
According to the venerable Oxford English dictionary it is:

- a large meeting or conference, especially of members of a political
party or a particular profession or group:*the party held its biennial
convention*
- *North American *an assembly of the delegates of a political party to
select candidates for office.
- a body set up by agreement to deal with a particular issue.
- *historical *a meeting of Parliament without a summons from the
sovereign.

I find it hard to defend the relevance of the whole thing. I do not know of
one iota of the cause of Goans in UK or the wider Goan diaspora or the Goans
in Goa was enhanced in any shape or form by the GGC. I also found those
speakers quite irrelevant.I would even suggest that this meeting had more to
do with drumming up business for the celebration of the golden jubiliee of
Goa?s liberation/annexation than anything to do with the community of Goans
or the dialogue therein. The argument is forwarded that the Goan Festival
was the most successful ever. My answer is that you don't need a global
convention to organise the festival. Goans from around the world have
attended the festival on previous occasions.



1. What was the purpose of the Goan Convention? What was the architecture of
the conference: Aims, objectives, deliverables, key messages, tangible
achievements in Goa, easier access and solution to personal/individual,
property issues, opportunity for genuine dialogue rather than an opportunity
to kowtow to people.

2. Was this achieved in London, if yes, how was it achieved?

3. How did this convention benefit the Goans of UK or Goa?

4. With so many speakers focussing on the past, was this not a just a
drumming exercise to celebrate the anniversary of annexation/liberation?

5. Would it be fair to say most of the speakers were irrelevant in terms of
Goa's needs today and in the future (with the exception of Carmen Miranda)?
Was this not the ideal opportunity to engage people in attempting to debate
some of Goa's critical problems? Not just paying lip service, but serious
transparent
commitment to beginning the path to repairing the damages of
institutionalised corruption?

6. How much money, if any, did it cost the Goan Association? How much was
contributed by the Goa Government? What is the total cost of the convention?
How much interference was there from Goa? Why and what was it about?

7. What is your answer to your accusers who say these conventions are a
waste of time, do not achieve anything and are just junket which benefits
Sir Lunchalot or Lord Travelalot?

On the other hand, I have been hearing good things about the Know Goa
programme. It seems to be a reasonable programme which is delivering what it
has set out to do: allowing young Goans from around the world to get to know
their ancestral motherland.

What I tried to do was establish the bona fides of the GGC. Is it a good
thing? Does it deliver what it sets out to do? Does it enhance the lot of
the Goan? Is there another project that would deliver better value for the
Goan rupee?

If the answer is in the negative for most of these questions, then the GGC
should be dumped and whole process rethought and given a fresh start with
transparency in all facets.

Cyprian Fernandes
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:35:41 +0530
From: airesrodrigues1 at gmail.com
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] LONDON CONVENTION COST GOAN TAX PAYER OVER 12 LAKHS
With some of the expenditure details yet to come in, the Goa
Government has already incurred an expenditure of over Rs 12, 60, 000
on the four day Global Goans Convention which was held at London from
July 22nd to July 25th this year. This has been revealed in
information obtained under the Right to Information Act.
The expenditure incurred includes a financial assistance of Rs 6, 11,
231 ( GBP 8500) given to the Goan Association (UK). An amount of Rs 1,
43, 957 was spent on the airfare of Mr. Eduardo Faleiro, Commissioner
of NRI affairs from Goa to London and back. The airfare of Mr.
U.D.Kamat, Director of NRI Affairs however cost Rs 45, 189. The
authorities have been unable to explain as to why the airfare of Mr.
Eduardo Faleiro cost the Goan tax payer three times more that that of
Mr. U.D.Kamat.
Mr. Eduardo Faleiro and Mr. U.D.Kamat were also paid a daily cash
allowance of GBP 388.78 from 20th July to 27th July amounting to a
total of Rs 28.533 each. They both stayed at a deluxe four star hotel
Crown Plaza London - St James and the bill of their lodging and
boarding there is still awaited.
A dinner hosted by Mr. Eduardo Faleiro at London on 21st July for the
office bearers of the Goan Association (UK) cost the Goan tax payer an
additional Rs 19,162.
An amount of Rs 2, 34,611 was spent on the lodging, boarding and
transportation within London for the 14 member cultural group that was
flown in from Goa. An amount of
Rs 29, 930 was also spent on their rail fare to Mumbai and back to
complete the UK Visa formalities. The airfare of this 14 member group
from Goa to London was sponsored by the Indian Council of Cultural
Relations, New Delhi and the total amount of expenditure incurred on
their Goa ? London - Goa travel is still awaited. So also the
expenditure incurred on the daily allowance paid to each of this 14
member group.
While Rs 66,787 was spent on the airfare of a Guest speaker Dr Damodar
Sardesai who had flown in from Los Angelos another Guest speaker Dr.
Teotonio De Souza who flew in from Lisbon cost Rs 23, 620.
The Goa Government also further incurred an expenditure of Rs 21, 508
on designing and decor of banners for the convention while the
miscellanous expense amounted to
Rs 6, 938.
Most if not all the above expenditure was unnecessary and avoidable.
One should not wine, dine and make merry at the cost of the State
exchequer. In one way or the other it all amounts to Corruption. The
moot question however is whether the Goa Government which does not
have the money to fund the much needed garbage disposal plant at
Bainguinim can squander money in lakhs. And that too while thousands
of Senior citizens are queued up for their old age pension and are
being told that the State coffers are empty.
Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-08-30 11:38:41 UTC
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Aires,

This is a piece I wrote a few weeks ago:

I was very impressed that the GA had taken on challenge of hosting the
GGC as part of your own celebrations. However, in the quiet light of
day, the convention raises many questions.


I am not into criticising or detracting from the conference. My efforts
are aimed at setting out the facts. Is the convention worthwhile or not?
If it is, why, what does it deliver? If the convention is to have a
future, what is the best way forward? A professional redesign of the
convention? I also have a problem with the use of the word ?convention?.
Perhaps it is a word favoured by spin doctors to make a meeting look
grander than it actually is. According to the venerable Oxford English
dictionary it is:

a large meeting or conference, especially of members of a political
party or a particular profession or group:the party held its biennial
convention
North American an assembly of the delegates of a political party to
select candidates for office.
a body set up by agreement to deal with a particular issue.
historical a meeting of Parliament without a summons from the sovereign.
I find it hard to defend the relevance of the whole thing. I do not know
of one iota of the cause of Goans in UK or the wider Goan diaspora or
the Goans in Goa was enhanced in any shape or form by the GGC. I also
found those speakers quite irrelevant.I would even suggest that this
meeting had more to do with drumming up business for the celebration of
the golden jubiliee of Goa?s liberation/annexation than anything to do
with the community of Goans or the dialogue therein. The argument is
forwarded that the Goan Festival was the most successful ever. My answer
is that you don't need a global convention to organise the festival.
Goans from around the world have attended the festival on previous
occasions.



1. What was the purpose of the Goan Convention? What was the
architecture of the conference: Aims, objectives, deliverables, key
messages, tangible achievements in Goa, easier access and solution to
personal/individual, property issues, opportunity for genuine dialogue
rather than an opportunity to kowtow to people.

2. Was this achieved in London, if yes, how was it achieved?

3. How did this convention benefit the Goans of UK or Goa?

4. With so many speakers focussing on the past, was this not a just a
drumming exercise to celebrate the anniversary of annexation/liberation?

5. Would it be fair to say most of the speakers were irrelevant in terms
of Goa's needs today and in the future (with the exception of Carmen
Miranda)? Was this not the ideal opportunity to engage people in
attempting to debate some of Goa's critical problems? Not just paying
lip service, but serious transparent
commitment to beginning the path to repairing the damages of
institutionalised corruption?

6. How much money, if any, did it cost the Goan Association? How much
was contributed by the Goa Government? What is the total cost of the
convention? How much interference was there from Goa? Why and what was
it about?

7. What is your answer to your accusers who say these conventions are a
waste of time, do not achieve anything and are just junket which
benefits Sir Lunchalot or Lord Travelalot?


On the other hand, I have been hearing good things about the Know Goa
programme. It seems to be a reasonable programme which is delivering
what it has set out to do: allowing young Goans from around the world to
get to know their ancestral motherland.


What I tried to do was establish the bona fides of the GGC. Is it a good
thing? Does it deliver what it sets out to do? Does it enhance the lot
of the Goan? Is there another project that would deliver better value
for the Goan rupee?

If the answer is in the negative for most of these questions, then the
GGC should be dumped and whole process rethought and given a fresh start
with transparency in all facets.

Cyprian Fernandes
Gabe Menezes
2011-08-30 14:31:58 UTC
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Post by Gabe Menezes
Aires,
I was very impressed that the GA had taken on challenge of hosting the GGC
as part of your own celebrations. However, in the quiet light of day, the
convention raises many questions.
I am not into criticising or detracting from the conference.
Cyprian Fernandes
Dear Cyprian Fernandes,

if you are thinking or expecting that some spokesman/woman will respond to
this, your email, you are highly mistaken. Selma Carvalho has stated that
none of the referees are subscribed to this forum :-)) Yet still they have
the pulse of what is happening on this site, as have 15,000 subscribed
persons and what is regurgitated ten times over!

So if they are not on this site, not concerned - they should have not qualms
about what is written, comprende?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-08-30 14:31:58 UTC
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Post by Gabe Menezes
Aires,
I was very impressed that the GA had taken on challenge of hosting the GGC
as part of your own celebrations. However, in the quiet light of day, the
convention raises many questions.
I am not into criticising or detracting from the conference.
Cyprian Fernandes
Dear Cyprian Fernandes,

if you are thinking or expecting that some spokesman/woman will respond to
this, your email, you are highly mistaken. Selma Carvalho has stated that
none of the referees are subscribed to this forum :-)) Yet still they have
the pulse of what is happening on this site, as have 15,000 subscribed
persons and what is regurgitated ten times over!

So if they are not on this site, not concerned - they should have not qualms
about what is written, comprende?
--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-08-30 14:31:58 UTC