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Goan Shippies Deaths
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roland.francis
2014-02-15 05:19:57 UTC
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Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom


g men?


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E DeSousa
2014-02-15 14:24:10 UTC
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Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2014-02-15 17:58:50 UTC
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Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Death_Statistics/Deaths_By_Crew_Age.html
Post by roland.francis
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2014-02-15 17:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Death_Statistics/Deaths_By_Crew_Age.html
Post by roland.francis
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2014-02-15 17:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Death_Statistics/Deaths_By_Crew_Age.html
Post by roland.francis
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2014-02-15 17:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Death_Statistics/Deaths_By_Crew_Age.html
Post by roland.francis
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2014-02-15 17:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22, from Collem, Goa, India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday, July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.

http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Death_Statistics/Deaths_By_Crew_Age.html
Post by roland.francis
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation.

Roland.


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From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths

Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2014-02-16 00:52:19 UTC
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Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!

This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
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From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Angela Ferrao
2014-02-16 09:19:23 UTC
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I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this,
and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line.

On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to
us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon
journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the
numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he
had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them.
He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better
route.

He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't
mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother,
who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home.

Angela Ferrao



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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armstrong augusto vaz
2014-02-16 07:51:45 UTC
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Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a
disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha ?????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 01:45:37 UTC
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Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds,
instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you
folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these
topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families.
Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in
abundance.

Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some.
NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream
DEFENSE?DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go
RESEARCH?stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper
in Goa; start planning that video.

+ + +
I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now
with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative)

The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are
going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means.
Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from
tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the
rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years
gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic:

Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion,
heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can
hardly support them ? much less their hearts, many of them have
varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any
light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are
shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other
communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I
regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as
learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore
mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in
caritas.

More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues,
loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to
bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping.

In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices:
Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his
(UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for
Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE
say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there
is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that
Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat
changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt
with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would
be spoken in villages. Forgotten?!

There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family.

I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to
their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even
with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or
two about gifts and such.

I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons.

+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto


On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Angela Ferrao
2014-02-16 09:19:23 UTC
Permalink
I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this,
and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line.

On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to
us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon
journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the
numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he
had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them.
He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better
route.

He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't
mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother,
who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home.

Angela Ferrao



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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armstrong augusto vaz
2014-02-16 07:51:45 UTC
Permalink
Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a
disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha ?????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
--
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Blog: The View From My Window http://wp.me/1c1F
About.me: http://about.me/noronhafrederick
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Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 01:45:37 UTC
Permalink
Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds,
instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you
folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these
topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families.
Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in
abundance.

Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some.
NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream
DEFENSE?DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go
RESEARCH?stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper
in Goa; start planning that video.

+ + +
I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now
with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative)

The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are
going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means.
Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from
tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the
rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years
gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic:

Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion,
heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can
hardly support them ? much less their hearts, many of them have
varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any
light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are
shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other
communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I
regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as
learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore
mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in
caritas.

More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues,
loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to
bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping.

In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices:
Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his
(UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for
Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE
say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there
is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that
Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat
changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt
with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would
be spoken in villages. Forgotten?!

There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family.

I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to
their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even
with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or
two about gifts and such.

I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons.

+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto


On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Angela Ferrao
2014-02-16 09:19:23 UTC
Permalink
I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this,
and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line.

On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to
us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon
journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the
numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he
had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them.
He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better
route.

He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't
mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother,
who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home.

Angela Ferrao



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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armstrong augusto vaz
2014-02-16 07:51:45 UTC
Permalink
Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a
disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha ?????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
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Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 01:45:37 UTC
Permalink
Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds,
instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you
folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these
topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families.
Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in
abundance.

Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some.
NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream
DEFENSE?DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go
RESEARCH?stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper
in Goa; start planning that video.

+ + +
I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now
with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative)

The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are
going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means.
Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from
tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the
rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years
gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic:

Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion,
heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can
hardly support them ? much less their hearts, many of them have
varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any
light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are
shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other
communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I
regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as
learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore
mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in
caritas.

More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues,
loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to
bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping.

In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices:
Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his
(UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for
Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE
say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there
is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that
Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat
changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt
with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would
be spoken in villages. Forgotten?!

There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family.

I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to
their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even
with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or
two about gifts and such.

I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons.

+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto


On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Angela Ferrao
2014-02-16 09:19:23 UTC
Permalink
I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this,
and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line.

On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to
us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon
journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the
numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he
had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them.
He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better
route.

He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't
mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother,
who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home.

Angela Ferrao



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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armstrong augusto vaz
2014-02-16 07:51:45 UTC
Permalink
Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a
disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha ?????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 01:45:37 UTC
Permalink
Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds,
instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you
folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these
topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families.
Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in
abundance.

Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some.
NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream
DEFENSE?DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go
RESEARCH?stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper
in Goa; start planning that video.

+ + +
I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now
with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative)

The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are
going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means.
Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from
tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the
rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years
gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic:

Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion,
heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can
hardly support them ? much less their hearts, many of them have
varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any
light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are
shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other
communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I
regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as
learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore
mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in
caritas.

More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues,
loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to
bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping.

In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices:
Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his
(UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for
Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE
say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there
is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that
Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat
changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt
with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would
be spoken in villages. Forgotten?!

There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family.

I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to
their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even
with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or
two about gifts and such.

I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons.

+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto


On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Angela Ferrao
2014-02-16 09:19:23 UTC
Permalink
I'm not sure if it was me who voiced this issue, but I have noticed this,
and it is disturbing. It does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line.

On a flight to Goa recently, an exhausted looking man was sitting next to
us. It turned out that he was a shippie returning home after a marathon
journey, long lay overs, convoluted routes, forgotten mobile at one of the
numerous security checks. The poor man had sat in the wrong seat because he
had read the wrong boarding pass; he had a handful of them.
He told us that the company rejected any request to book him on a better
route.

He was headed to Quepem and was supposed to call his brother. He didn't
mind losing his phone of course but he was supposed to call his brother,
who was to meet him. That was my brush with a Goan shippie returning home.

Angela Ferrao



On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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armstrong augusto vaz
2014-02-16 07:51:45 UTC
Permalink
Stressed out! or harassment or racial discrimination,is there a
disparity in wages the Europeans and Asians take home?

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Frederick FN Noronha ?????????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 01:45:37 UTC
Permalink
Let me phrase it in a way that helps some reach into your own minds,
instead of providing direct auxiliary support: proof. Also if you
folks do not have people on ships then why screw around with these
topics, unless it is plain curiosity. Just take care of your families.
Now that would be showing concern, which perhaps is on tap: in
abundance.

Anyway since you guys are bent towards thought, here are some.
NOTE: I am not interested at all in providing proof. As they scream
DEFENSE?DEFENSE when the shot clock is running out in Basketball, go
RESEARCH?stand outside those offices in Mumbai, put an ad in a paper
in Goa; start planning that video.

+ + +
I do not know the reasons, know a thing or do, and will proceed now
with my speculatio (Lat. Reflections of a contemplative)

The work is EXHAUSTING, and has become more and more so. Many are
going two shifts at that pace. Most of you do not know what tat means.
Please do not take offense. The salaries are almost entirely made from
tips so very little option. Some get paid as low as $70 a month, the
rest to be made from tips. There is a lot of abuse now than in years
gone by. In epistemological terms, an epidemic:

Emotionally broken, drinking to stay sane, broken hearts, exhaustion,
heart attacks, liver issues, many are overweight and their legs can
hardly support them ? much less their hearts, many of them have
varicose veins and many have got operated. Too many cannot see any
light in their lives, hearing of news that even their fathers are
shagging their wives, brothers too, and others including from other
communities leading to smirking, etc., when they make it to shore. I
regret not being a priest. They really need intense support as well as
learning how to provide for themselves This itself could be a shore
mission much like the Jesuits who go on board ships to minster, in
caritas.

More possibilities with women, has led to all kinds of control issues,
loosing entire earnings, other complexities, pressure brought upon to
bear, blackmail, etc. Our boys are snapping.

In India with our own bastards at the Shipping Offices:
Lets just say that, one person I know and who was much liked by his
(UK) Sup. was allowed to appear and passed the qualification for
Bartender. When the fucker in the office in Mumbai, India (AND I DARE
say a South Indian, its SIndians all the way, and I say it sine there
is something sick). saw the certification, he was incensed saying that
Indians are not allowed to tend the bar. Presumably, that has somewhat
changed now. Goans have to deal with the same shit other Goans dealt
with in the Hotel/ Hospitality industry in Goa, of which so much would
be spoken in villages. Forgotten?!

There are Goan women on ships too. We had one in the family.

I have heard of women demanding, and Goan men gifting $500 watches to
their girlfriends on board. Those of you who have had flings, even
with highly intellectual paramours (I hope so) would know a thing or
two about gifts and such.

I am sure there are are other better and more enlightening reasons.

+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto


On 2/15/14, Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Post by Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!
This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2014-02-16 00:52:19 UTC
Permalink
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!

This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2014-02-16 00:52:19 UTC
Permalink
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!

This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2014-02-16 00:52:19 UTC
Permalink
Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!

This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2014-02-16 00:52:19 UTC
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Roland is not wrong on this. In fact, just a few days back someone was
pointing it out to me (was it Angela Ferrao?) I too had wondered about this
trend, but admittedly it struck home when we discussed it. You don't expect
young men in their 40s, 30s or even 20s reaching the obituary columns with
one case approximately every two or three months!

This does seem strange... FN
Post by roland.francis
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month
period for elucidation.
Roland.
Sent from Samsung Mobile
-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??
What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?
Please provide supporting data.
Regards,
E.
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E DeSousa
2014-02-16 01:33:21 UTC
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?JC writes:

Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22,? from Collem, Goa,? India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday,? July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.


Comment:

Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas?(RIP)? mentioned above, no?common Goan ?names could be found in this list:
http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html
(Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?)

Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald.

I checked the OHeraldO obits and?research of their on line archives?was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment.

Given the importance of the subject matter,?is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available?

Best Regards,

E.
Marshall Mendonza
2014-02-16 04:45:13 UTC
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Roland Francis:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men?

Response:
A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual
conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his
story.

Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada.
The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign
tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard
from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so
decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he
attended at his own expense and was selected for the job.

He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a
contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no
off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary
was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives.
In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free
and on the house, this was pure savings.

Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30
rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were
filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would
result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives
would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander
to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and
tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth
without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right,
even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums.

His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of
eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan
homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished.

Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close
by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no
break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was
nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church
to hear Mass during his period of contract.

He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as
otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break.
After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married
and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process
exhausted all his savings.

Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the
ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the
bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no
Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken
to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During
the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his
feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were
not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This
made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted.
On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went
to consult an Orthopedic surgeon.

Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic
surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this
condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife
was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back
he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or
education he was left with little choice.

This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder
that many of them commit suicide?

Regards,

Marshall
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 19:44:43 UTC
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Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.

FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
All option and just let an email take its time:
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>

Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.

Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.

Best All.


Venantius
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 20:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally
rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of
certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached
emoluments.

There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70
and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up
by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and
presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that
means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are
managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and
will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc.
Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly
have interest in defending.

This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do
we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that
Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No.

Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American
citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and
sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills,
etc.

++++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Post by Venantius J Pinto
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.
FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>
Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.
Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.
Best All.
Venantius
--
+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 20:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally
rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of
certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached
emoluments.

There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70
and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up
by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and
presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that
means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are
managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and
will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc.
Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly
have interest in defending.

This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do
we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that
Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No.

Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American
citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and
sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills,
etc.

++++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Post by Venantius J Pinto
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.
FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>
Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.
Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.
Best All.
Venantius
--
+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 20:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally
rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of
certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached
emoluments.

There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70
and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up
by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and
presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that
means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are
managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and
will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc.
Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly
have interest in defending.

This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do
we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that
Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No.

Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American
citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and
sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills,
etc.

++++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Post by Venantius J Pinto
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.
FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>
Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.
Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.
Best All.
Venantius
--
+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 20:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally
rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of
certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached
emoluments.

There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70
and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up
by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and
presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that
means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are
managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and
will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc.
Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly
have interest in defending.

This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do
we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that
Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No.

Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American
citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and
sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills,
etc.

++++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Post by Venantius J Pinto
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.
FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>
Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.
Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.
Best All.
Venantius
--
+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 20:02:36 UTC
Permalink
Is the question on disparity in wages inadvertently or intentionally
rhetorical. Given the same job in almost every situation citizens of
certain countries get paid less, or more, or have other attached
emoluments.

There must be other examples to what I said about the salary being $70
and a bit more, but the caveat is that you are expected to boost it up
by tips. Different companies have their own wage bar/scale and
presumably tell you what to expect, strive for, be nice (whatever that
means). That is seen as your salary. And have no doubt that there are
managers who are Goans. They cannot talk since they do need a job and
will do what it takes. Thy will when they retire, retire hurt, etc.
Such is life. Also no point in my using economic terms which I hardly
have interest in defending.

This is true say in the MEast is it not? And often when we benefit, do
we not hold on to our gains. Is that not true? Do we blab around that
Yo, I am making a killing man!! Wooot! Hell No.

Lets us say if I was teaching at a Univ. in the ME. As an American
citizen I am supposed to be paid more. That is sadly the way it and
sadder if the Amcho Goenkar. and Hanv Bhaircho are equal in skills,
etc.

++++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Post by Venantius J Pinto
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.
FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>
Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.
Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.
Best All.
Venantius
--
+++++++++++++
Venantius J Pinto
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 19:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.

FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
All option and just let an email take its time:
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>

Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.

Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.

Best All.


Venantius
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 19:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.

FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
All option and just let an email take its time:
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>

Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.

Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.

Best All.


Venantius
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 19:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.

FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
All option and just let an email take its time:
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>

Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.

Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.

Best All.


Venantius
Venantius J Pinto
2014-02-16 19:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Hi Angela,
You says it well: t does not matter that I don't have anyone working
in the shipping line. My point has nothing to do with you at all.
Repeat: Nothing to do with you; rather the want and wont to know as
seen on Goanet for all manners of issues; although I can see it in the
manner of soul-searching, which we all, including me, need.

FNs post had you cceed on it, and perhaps I should eschew the Reply
All option and just let an email take its time:
The post from FN was addressed as follows: Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> Sat,
Feb 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>, Angela Ferrao <angelaferrao at gmail.com>

Upon, or following my interjection (it may have across as somewhat harsh) we get
responses with stirring/ disturbing examples from some of the more
thoughtful individuals on Goanet; and which will now be extremely
beneficial to those who wish to know, and know more of such matters.

Job done. Time to move on when the better ones among us weigh in.

Best All.


Venantius
Jose Colaco
2014-02-17 04:30:12 UTC
Permalink
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument.

For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll.

I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete.

They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story.

What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'.

A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts.

Back to the original point: which droves?

jc
- Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves " what are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?
Peace
E.
E DeSousa
2014-02-17 03:07:49 UTC
Permalink
After what has been posted by? many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident:

?-?Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with? the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?

We know that?Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid:
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves "? what?are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate?all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?

Peace

E.
Jose Colaco
2014-02-17 04:30:12 UTC
Permalink
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument.

For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll.

I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete.

They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story.

What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'.

A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts.

Back to the original point: which droves?

jc
- Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves " what are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?
Peace
E.
Jose Colaco
2014-02-17 04:30:12 UTC
Permalink
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument.

For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll.

I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete.

They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story.

What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'.

A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts.

Back to the original point: which droves?

jc
- Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves " what are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?
Peace
E.
Jose Colaco
2014-02-17 04:30:12 UTC
Permalink
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument.

For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll.

I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete.

They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story.

What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'.

A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts.

Back to the original point: which droves?

jc
- Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves " what are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?
Peace
E.
Jose Colaco
2014-02-17 04:30:12 UTC
Permalink
EDeSouza makes a very interesting and valid argument.

For most of us, life is a daily struggle. We have to work hard and face our daily set of stresses.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with the 'shippies dying in droves bit', I imagine that long periods of time away from home + possible smoking, loneliness and drinking would take their toll.

I meet a good number of folks you call shippies, I call seamen. They come to church on Saturday evenings when the cruise liners dock here. They do not appear stressed or otherwise troubled. But, they are mainly young lads from Salcete.

They appear to make a good income (mainly on tips) and almost all of it goes into savings. What happens to those funds when they reach Goa is another story.

What happens to these (once young) lads when they are no longer working - is probably the time when 'all appears to crumble'.

A good lesson from all this: Educate the kids so that they can stand up on their own two feet and do not always look for handouts.

Back to the original point: which droves?

jc
- Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves " what are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?
Peace
E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 05:19:57 UTC
Permalink
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom


g men?


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E DeSousa
2014-02-15 14:24:10 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation.

Roland.


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-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths

Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
E DeSousa
2014-02-16 01:33:21 UTC
Permalink
?JC writes:

Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22,? from Collem, Goa,? India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday,? July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.


Comment:

Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas?(RIP)? mentioned above, no?common Goan ?names could be found in this list:
http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html
(Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?)

Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald.

I checked the OHeraldO obits and?research of their on line archives?was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment.

Given the importance of the subject matter,?is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available?

Best Regards,

E.
Marshall Mendonza
2014-02-16 04:45:13 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men?

Response:
A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual
conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his
story.

Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada.
The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign
tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard
from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so
decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he
attended at his own expense and was selected for the job.

He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a
contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no
off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary
was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives.
In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free
and on the house, this was pure savings.

Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30
rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were
filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would
result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives
would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander
to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and
tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth
without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right,
even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums.

His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of
eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan
homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished.

Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close
by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no
break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was
nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church
to hear Mass during his period of contract.

He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as
otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break.
After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married
and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process
exhausted all his savings.

Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the
ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the
bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no
Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken
to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During
the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his
feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were
not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This
made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted.
On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went
to consult an Orthopedic surgeon.

Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic
surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this
condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife
was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back
he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or
education he was left with little choice.

This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder
that many of them commit suicide?

Regards,

Marshall
E DeSousa
2014-02-17 03:07:49 UTC
Permalink
After what has been posted by? many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident:

?-?Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with? the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?

We know that?Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid:
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves "? what?are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate?all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?

Peace

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 05:19:57 UTC
Permalink
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom


g men?


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E DeSousa
2014-02-15 14:24:10 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation.

Roland.


Sent from Samsung Mobile

-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths

Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
E DeSousa
2014-02-16 01:33:21 UTC
Permalink
?JC writes:

Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22,? from Collem, Goa,? India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday,? July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.


Comment:

Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas?(RIP)? mentioned above, no?common Goan ?names could be found in this list:
http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html
(Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?)

Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald.

I checked the OHeraldO obits and?research of their on line archives?was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment.

Given the importance of the subject matter,?is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available?

Best Regards,

E.
Marshall Mendonza
2014-02-16 04:45:13 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men?

Response:
A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual
conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his
story.

Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada.
The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign
tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard
from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so
decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he
attended at his own expense and was selected for the job.

He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a
contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no
off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary
was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives.
In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free
and on the house, this was pure savings.

Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30
rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were
filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would
result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives
would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander
to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and
tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth
without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right,
even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums.

His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of
eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan
homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished.

Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close
by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no
break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was
nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church
to hear Mass during his period of contract.

He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as
otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break.
After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married
and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process
exhausted all his savings.

Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the
ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the
bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no
Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken
to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During
the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his
feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were
not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This
made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted.
On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went
to consult an Orthopedic surgeon.

Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic
surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this
condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife
was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back
he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or
education he was left with little choice.

This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder
that many of them commit suicide?

Regards,

Marshall
E DeSousa
2014-02-17 03:07:49 UTC
Permalink
After what has been posted by? many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident:

?-?Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with? the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?

We know that?Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid:
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves "? what?are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate?all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?

Peace

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 05:19:57 UTC
Permalink
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom


g men?


Sent from Samsung Mobile
E DeSousa
2014-02-15 14:24:10 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation.

Roland.


Sent from Samsung Mobile

-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths

Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
E DeSousa
2014-02-16 01:33:21 UTC
Permalink
?JC writes:

Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
-
22,? from Collem, Goa,? India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday,? July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.


Comment:

Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas?(RIP)? mentioned above, no?common Goan ?names could be found in this list:
http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html
(Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?)

Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald.

I checked the OHeraldO obits and?research of their on line archives?was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment.

Given the importance of the subject matter,?is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available?

Best Regards,

E.
Marshall Mendonza
2014-02-16 04:45:13 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men?

Response:
A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual
conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his
story.

Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada.
The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign
tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard
from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so
decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he
attended at his own expense and was selected for the job.

He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a
contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no
off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary
was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives.
In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free
and on the house, this was pure savings.

Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30
rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were
filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would
result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives
would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander
to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and
tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth
without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right,
even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums.

His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of
eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan
homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished.

Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close
by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no
break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was
nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church
to hear Mass during his period of contract.

He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as
otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break.
After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married
and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process
exhausted all his savings.

Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the
ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the
bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no
Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken
to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During
the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his
feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were
not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This
made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted.
On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went
to consult an Orthopedic surgeon.

Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic
surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this
condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife
was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back
he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or
education he was left with little choice.

This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder
that many of them commit suicide?

Regards,

Marshall
E DeSousa
2014-02-17 03:07:49 UTC
Permalink
After what has been posted by? many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident:

?-?Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with? the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?

We know that?Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid:
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves "? what?are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate?all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?

Peace

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 05:19:57 UTC
Permalink
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom


g men?


Sent from Samsung Mobile
E DeSousa
2014-02-15 14:24:10 UTC
Permalink
Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
roland.francis
2014-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Please read the obit columns of the Herald for any 2 week to one month period for elucidation.

Roland.


Sent from Samsung Mobile

-------- Original message --------
From: E DeSousa <ejd247 at att.net>
Date: 15-02-2014 9:24 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: "estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: roland.francis at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Shippies Deaths

Roland Francis writes:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men about whom
g men?

Comment:

Please? provide?supporting?data.

Regards,

E.
E DeSousa
2014-02-16 01:33:21 UTC
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?JC writes:

Roland may be right and I am sure he will direct us to the source of the
information

jc


Sumith Gawas<http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Cruise_Ship_Deaths/Sumith_Gawas.html>
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22,? from Collem, Goa,? India was aboard P & O Arcadia here he worked as a
junior waiter on Friday,? July 16, 2010 when he was found hanging in his
cabin.


Comment:

Other than the late Mr. Sumith Gawas?(RIP)? mentioned above, no?common Goan ?names could be found in this list:
http://www.cruiseshipdeaths.com/Name_Index.html
(Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian and Ramesh Krishnamurthy also in the list maybe Goans?)

Roland suggests the obituaries in Herald.

I checked the OHeraldO obits and?research of their on line archives?was not successful. It may require a more sophisticated approach and a greater time investment.

Given the importance of the subject matter,?is it possible that this information may have been already aggregated by the Goa media and may be readily available?

Best Regards,

E.
Marshall Mendonza
2014-02-16 04:45:13 UTC
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Roland Francis:
Anybody know how Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves??

What is the cause of death of so many young men?

Response:
A few years ago while flying from Goa to Bombay, I got into a casual
conversation with my neighbour who happened to be a shippie. This is his
story.

Hailing from Candolim, he worked earlier as a Roomboy at Taj Fort Aguada.
The job was seasonal from October to April coinciding with the peak foreign
tourist arrivals. Thereafter he was laid off with no compensation.He heard
from other shippies about the Caribbean Cruises and the grand pay and so
decided to apply for a job. He was called for an interview which he
attended at his own expense and was selected for the job.

He joined the cruise at Miami at his own cost. He was made to sign a
contract to work for 9 months with no holidays, including Sundays, no
off-days, no leave. Working hours were of 16 hours per day. The base salary
was low and the bulk was variable pay mainly made up of tips/ incentives.
In a good month, the gross salary could go up to Rs 150,000. With food free
and on the house, this was pure savings.

Life aboard the Cruise Liner was tough. He had to clean and tidy up 30
rooms every day, twice, spread over two decks. Many of the passengers were
filthy rich, selfish, arrogant and demanding. Any mistake or error would
result in a complaint made against him, for which a part of his incentives
would be deducted. He was on beck and call all day long. He had to pander
to the whims and fancies of the passengers who would ask him to clean and
tidy up their rooms at odd times. And so he had to go back and forth
without rest. He was trained to accept that the customer was always right,
even when he was wrong, and so had to endure their temper tantrums.

His sole companions were fellow goans who worked in the kitchen. Fed up of
eating the same rich food daily, his fellow goans would rustle up some goan
homemade stuff which they enjoyed and relished.

Emotionally and psychologically he was scarred with no family member close
by in whom he could confide or share his troubles or difficulties. With no
break even for a single day, even when the ship berthed at a port, it was
nothing short of slave working conditions. He could not even go to Church
to hear Mass during his period of contract.

He had to keep his employers and passengers in good humour at all times as
otherwise his contract would not get renewed after he enjoyed his break.
After working for a few years and enduring the hardships, he got married
and constructed a big, beautiful house in Candolim, and in the process
exhausted all his savings.

Just then misfortune struck. While climbing down the stairs aboard the
ship, he missed a step and came tumbling down, in the process breaking the
bone of his leg. He was given first aid and laid up in bed as there was no
Orthopedic doctor on board. On reaching port after some days, he was taken
to a doctor. The doctor attended to him and he was back on the ship. During
the days when he was invalid, he received no wages. Once he was back on his
feet, he realised that the surgery was not done properly. The bones were
not set right and he was left with one leg short and a permanent limp. This
made his work more difficult as now his speed and mobility was restricted.
On completion of his contract, he flew down to India and immediately went
to consult an Orthopedic surgeon.

Unfortunately, by then the bones had set permanently, and the Orthopedic
surgeon could do nothing. He was left scarred for life with a limp. In this
condition he found it very difficult to work, but had no choice as his wife
was now pregnant with their first child and he had little savings. So back
he was on the ship living a life which he now hated. With no skills or
education he was left with little choice.

This is the kind of life shippies on cruise liners lead. Is it any wonder
that many of them commit suicide?

Regards,

Marshall
E DeSousa
2014-02-17 03:07:49 UTC
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After what has been posted by? many on GoaNet, this much seems to be evident:

?-?Goan shippies on cruiseliners chose this particular line of work in attempts to find gainful employment. Unfortunately when faced with? the unforeseen harsh realities of the life they chose and unable to come to terms, absent a support system,( it is implied that) they commit suicide in droves?

We know that?Goan people are very resilient and no strangers to hardship, so the questions are valid:
-are these suicides or homicides?
-when it is said"Goan crew on cruiseliners are dying in droves "? what?are the numbers involved?
(Even one is one too many, to be sure)
-is this away to negate?all liabilities by all concerned?
-are these fellows on their own with no welfare organizations with no Goa Government support?

Peace

E.

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