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Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
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URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

Goavacation.com is an online venture of Dempo Travels Pvt. Ltd.,
Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

Favourite Links
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[linkbutton_red.gif] [46]Learn Konkani

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[48]Click here to read the latest news.

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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

Goavacation.com is an online venture of Dempo Travels Pvt. Ltd.,
Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

Favourite Links
[linkbutton_red.gif] [40]Anjuna
[linkbutton_red.gif] [41]Baga
[linkbutton_red.gif] [42]Bogmalo
[linkbutton_red.gif] [43]Calangute
[linkbutton_red.gif] [44]Colva
[linkbutton_red.gif] [45]Palolem
[linkbutton_red.gif] [46]Learn Konkani

Photo Gallery
[47]Photo Gallery

[48]Click here to read the latest news.

Source: [49]www.navhindtimes.com
_________________________________________________________________

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Policy | [54]Refund Policy | [55]Sitemap | [56]Feedback | [57]Contact
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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

Goavacation.com is an online venture of Dempo Travels Pvt. Ltd.,
Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

Favourite Links
[linkbutton_red.gif] [40]Anjuna
[linkbutton_red.gif] [41]Baga
[linkbutton_red.gif] [42]Bogmalo
[linkbutton_red.gif] [43]Calangute
[linkbutton_red.gif] [44]Colva
[linkbutton_red.gif] [45]Palolem
[linkbutton_red.gif] [46]Learn Konkani

Photo Gallery
[47]Photo Gallery

[48]Click here to read the latest news.

Source: [49]www.navhindtimes.com
_________________________________________________________________

?2001 GoaVacation.com
[50]About Us | [51]Disclaimer | [52]Terms of Service | [53]Privacy
Policy | [54]Refund Policy | [55]Sitemap | [56]Feedback | [57]Contact
Us
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

Goavacation.com is an online venture of Dempo Travels Pvt. Ltd.,
Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

Favourite Links
[linkbutton_red.gif] [40]Anjuna
[linkbutton_red.gif] [41]Baga
[linkbutton_red.gif] [42]Bogmalo
[linkbutton_red.gif] [43]Calangute
[linkbutton_red.gif] [44]Colva
[linkbutton_red.gif] [45]Palolem
[linkbutton_red.gif] [46]Learn Konkani

Photo Gallery
[47]Photo Gallery

[48]Click here to read the latest news.

Source: [49]www.navhindtimes.com
_________________________________________________________________

?2001 GoaVacation.com
[50]About Us | [51]Disclaimer | [52]Terms of Service | [53]Privacy
Policy | [54]Refund Policy | [55]Sitemap | [56]Feedback | [57]Contact
Us
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
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[18]Facts About Goa
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Tools
[20]Maps
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[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
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Temples of Goa
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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

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Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Frederick Noronha (FN)
2003-05-11 16:01:52 UTC
Permalink
URL : http://www.goavacation.com

Discover Goa
[9]Home
[10]Getting There
[11]Visas & Customs
[12]Where to Stay
[13]Getting Around
[14]Beaches
[15]Places to See
[16]Places to Eat / Shop
[17]History & Culture
[18]Facts About Goa
[19]Events

Tools
[20]Maps
[21]Weather
[22]Currency Converter
[23]Translation
[24]Travel Tips
[25]Customer Support

Travel Deals - Goa

[26]Kenilworth beach resort, Utorda, 3N/4D, meal Rs. 10,333/-
[27]Honeymoon Package at Nizmar, AC Room, meal, surprise gift, Rs.
10,000/-
[28]Vista Do Rio Resort, 3N/4D inclusive bed, breakfast, Rs. 6,333/-
[29]Honeymoon Package at Vista Do Rio, Rs. 8,888/-
[30]Sonesta Inn's, 3N/4D, meal and boat cruise, Rs 7,555/-
[31]Nanu resort, Betalbatim, 3N, A/C rooms, Rs. 5,555/-
[32]Alor Holiday Resort, Calangute, 3N/4D, meal, Rs. 4,555/-
[33]Nanutel, Margao, Rs. 3,555/-
[34]Honeymoon Package at Sonnesta Inn's, Rs. 4,444/-

Most packages include transfers, Click to see details.
Come, fall in love with Goa
Beaches of Goa:
Variety is the spice of life and the essence of Goan beaches.The 105
kilometre long coastal belt of Goa has an array of beaches to choose
from. [35]More...
Beaches of Goa
Churches of Goa:
If you ever thought that great magnificent churches existed only in
Rome, then this little exploration inside the exquisite churches of
Goa, will definitely make you think again. [36]More...
Churches of Goa
Temples of Goa:
After being under the Portuguese rule for over 400 years, one might
not expect many temples to be existent in Goa. [37]More...
Temples of Goa
Need a Customized Offer? [38]Click Here.

Goavacation.com is an online venture of Dempo Travels Pvt. Ltd.,
Panaji, Goa, of the Dempo Group who have more than 40 years of
experience in the Travel Trade.
Tel: +91 (832) 2226281-86 Extn:389 / 406
Fax: +91 (832) 2426154 / 2225098 / 2228588
Powered by: [39]Sancoale Technologies

Favourite Links
[linkbutton_red.gif] [40]Anjuna
[linkbutton_red.gif] [41]Baga
[linkbutton_red.gif] [42]Bogmalo
[linkbutton_red.gif] [43]Calangute
[linkbutton_red.gif] [44]Colva
[linkbutton_red.gif] [45]Palolem
[linkbutton_red.gif] [46]Learn Konkani

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[47]Photo Gallery

[48]Click here to read the latest news.

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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-05-25 12:22:21 UTC
Permalink
For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet


There are several types of Goan coconut tree-climbers. They are the
noble professions of the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would
not have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi feni; and the
coconut-plucker who supplies coconut for our daily meals needed for the
delicious curries, oil for cooking, and of course the sweets. Toddy
tapping is an age-old occupation undertaken by Madkars or Bhandharis.
Now a third not so professional has been added to this official list-
the coconut-stealer. This career has always been around. But they have
been in the news lately when two of these unprofessional men (in more
ways than one) climbed a coconut tree to steal some coconuts. In the
process, the story goes these two "toddoki" men (in separate incidents)
fell off the tree. We feel very sorry for them "aree bichara" and their
families, even though both of them were "bekar bicharas". As per the
account, one of them died and the other is severely injured. For the
safety-conscious Goans - good and not so good kind, a suggestion has
been made that they should wear helmets when they undertake their
perilous professional work of climbing coconut trees. Forget the
two-wheelers they are doing the hazardous work for fun =:))

If you did not read the tragic story and the kaneo of the coconut
tree-climber, it is obvious you are hitting the DEL button too fast. If
you did read the story and fell off the chair (like me) laughing at the
Goechim fokana kaneo or Konkani parody then I suggest you need a helmet
too.

The suggestion of coconut tree-climbers wearing a helmet introduces a
whole new attire in Goa. This certainly cannot be ignored or given the
"Mar Shendi" treatment. Are the Goan fashion designers listening? Is
Wendell Roderick reading his GoaNet posting? Picture it "A coconut
tree-climber in his helmet and matching color-coordinated kashti" on
Goa's beautiful beach. Play Girl magazine would go bonkers for this
view. Bollywood would go ga-ga or ba-ba! The La-di-Da (gay) journal
would conk-out for the portrait. Many tourists would seek the coconut
tree-climber to do the lap-dance. The Madkars would be in popular
demand. Goan women are so lucky to see the "live thing". =:)). The
professional and not-so professional photo-takouters please have your
cameras and click "fottu kadd" and double click "don fottu kadd".

Well the two-wheel driver 'without the helmet' will no longer feel macho
and may even feel like a sissy, even if she is a girl (very unlikely).
Come to think of it, Goa's coconuts are pretty smart. They have a helmet
as well as a turban to protect them when they fall. Regards, GL

For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA
DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the
superb Goenkar and the Goa-World websites?
EdgarStmartins
2003-05-25 18:05:47 UTC
Permalink
The writer of this posting has been reserved the position of Joker on
my deck of cards. I understand that he went to a school I know very well and
attended. I have a request from him. I want him to reserve his brain that
concocts such unbelieveable and ludicrous 'kaneos' about our Goans toddy tapper. He
forgot to mention that the pyramid shaped 'Maddachem Godd' is a result of the
resourfulness of the 'Surrcar'.
He is a very useful member of our community even if he indulges in an
occasional escapade to pilfer a few cocoanuts. It is a pity that they do not wear
helmets when they ply their profession. I wish that they would refrain from
listening to Aiyres, the flower salesman (who benefits from the demise of two wheel
riders like James Dean) and others who contradict me just because they
benefit or like to use their crumpled suits for funerals.

This article on the cocoanut 'chors' was wonderful. I liked his humour
more than that rubbish I read about the GOA - U.K. and even of the Toronto
Chapter. Keep it up dottor, I like your postings. You prolong my life with
laughter. God Bless you.


Edgar Martins
Mervyn Lobo
2003-05-26 00:57:45 UTC
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Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net> wrote: For
Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
Goa's Coconut tree-climber in a helmet
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
There are several types of Goan coconut
tree-climbers. They are the noble professions of
the coconut-taper without whose efforts we would not
have the famous coconut sap 'neera' and the Mardachi
feni;



Folks,
I think Darwin is right.
It has always been survival of the fittest.

Some are just unable to adapt to change.
These are the folks that carry on in
occupations/activities that allows them to be easily
removed from the gene pool :-(

Mervyn


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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John J. D'Souza
2003-07-02 00:58:35 UTC
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Eugene mentioned the Internation Goan Convention 1988
See display at:
http://goacom.com/community/associations/goaont/convention/index.htm

JJD'S
Post by Eugene Correia
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
John J. D'Souza
2003-07-02 00:58:35 UTC
Permalink
Eugene mentioned the Internation Goan Convention 1988
See display at:
http://goacom.com/community/associations/goaont/convention/index.htm

JJD'S
Post by Eugene Correia
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-22 02:39:12 UTC
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GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: Diaspora Goans
This is the third of a three part series on Goan Diasporas. We divided
the topic into three sections: Old Diasporas; Modern Diasporas; and
Challenges for Diasporas.
Abstracted from the Book
Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa
By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence
Presented at the Goan Colloquium in New Rochelle College, NY June 21,
2003.

CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITES for Goan Diasporas to be culturally
connected
Diaspora Goans should know, be informed and share helpful information
about Goa. Beyond that they should take care of their own Goan culture
and Goan society in their back and front-yard rather than pontificate
(ad nauseam) what should be done in Goa. Or am I reading too many Goan
postings on the web on the same subject? I know somebody will tell me
there is a DEL button! Or is writing about Goa an emotional substitute?

Maintaining a culture in a new land is not something that applies only
to Goans. Hence we do not have to "re-invent the wheel". America,
Britain and many countries including India are full of old cultures in
new lands. To know Konkani by the residents of Goa and the immigrants is
a very good reflection of their learning and language skills. All power
to those who know, do and maintain their Konkani. Many Diaspora Goans
(usually seniors) who know Konkani are a great resource to the immigrant
community and should be invited to every function for a brief (10 min.)
sermaum - Amchem baxhen.

To switch gears: Sometime ago we were asked by some friends to join the
local German-American association. We were surprised by the request. We
pointed to them that we were honored by the invitation, but we were not
born or lived in Germany or spoke German. They pointed out to us that we
truly enjoyed "their" music, dance (polkas, waltzes etc.), food and
beer- and that was correct! We decided to join in the fun. The
membership gave us a good insight into the workings of another cultural
group.

The association had about 45 members. A third was immigrants (spoke
German) the remainder were spouses and children. The group met every
month on the weekday evening - in a school, business, hospital or church
meeting room. The meeting started with an oath of allegiance to the USA
followed by the singing of 3 German and 3 American songs. The usual
association issues and correspondence followed this, with all
conversation being in English. Then there was the report on the planning
of the social calendar, including the two fund raising events - German
sausage and sauerkraut food booth at the town festival and hosting the
annual Oktoberfest (all volunteer effort). This was followed by
appointing next month's couples to make the German coffee and deserts.
And the 1 hour meeting ended with coffee and home-made German deserts
made by the couples appointed at the previous month's meeting.

The group had a whole range of members in age and socio-economic status.
Retirees were always a tremendous resource with their skill, expertise
and experience of past events. Individuals who did not have time and
energy to volunteer had money to donate and support. It is practically,
ethically and morally difficult to find many individuals who have
neither - unless they are 'free loaders'. The social calendar was a
monthly Saturday event (music, dancing and eating) to commemorate the
real ethnic festival. The social was very tasteful, enjoyable but not
lavish and expensive. All chipped-in to work, volunteer and make the
preparation and the event fun and productive. Of course one could say
that all this is easy after a few German beers.=:)))

The challenge of Goan Diaspora is how to make our traditions relevant to
the second and third generation; and realizing that we need to maintain
our customs if we are to continue to maintain our community in a foreign
land. Of course these lands are now native to the immigrants and their
progeny. Many American groups- German, Italian, Polish, Welsh, Scot,
Jewish etc, etc, maintain their culture and grow it, without being
fluent in their ethnic languages. The importance lies in celebrating the
religious and national festivals, maintaining the rituals especially at
home, knowing and being proud of the heritage and of our community.
These practices along with songs, dance and cuisine form a continuing
chain with original culture and they link one generation with the next.
Taking a page from the German-American group, Goan organizations should
sponsor essay writings on Goa in their own community by high school
children and other projects that kids do when they learn of a new place.

For the adults and the society, here is a suggested list of "Goa
Specific" social-cultural events that expats should celebrate where ever
they are and where ever they have been- (geographically or politically)
because all come from Goa. It is something that World Goa Day (WGD)
should discuss at its annual get-together next month. Some dates change
from year to year as they are based on the lunar calendar.
1. Goa Statehood Day - (May 30)
2. Asmitai Dis - (January 16) with India's Republic Day (Jan 26)
3. Konkani Language Day - (August 20 or the day it is celebrated in Goa)
4. St. Francis Xavier feast - (Goencho Saib on December 3)
5. Blessed Joseph Vaz feast - (Patron of Goa and Daman on January 16)

6. Venerable Agnelo DeSouza feast - (Birthday January 21; Died November
20)
7. Ganesh Chaturthi with India's Independence Day (August 15)
8. Divali (October / November)
9. Shigmo, Holi and Carnival (February / March)
10. Navrati (September / October)
11. Gandhi's birthday (October 2)
12. Ramzan Id (November)
Please add your village or gotra festival and others.

Clearly current G.O.A.s that are content to host 2-3 events a year (and
they are mostly non-Goa-specific except St. Xavier's feast) have to roll
their sleeves and develop more programs OR coordinate their activities
with neighboring G.O.A.s. Thus they support each other and there are a
variety of events for the community to participate. The parochial
attitudes of the organization and the presidents' of these organizations
has to disappear. At the same time Goans (young and old; ladies and men)
in these towns / states /regions, have to support their G.O.A. with
their time, energy and efforts much more than their money.

The challenge to next generations is to adopt the new, while keeping the
old values that have worked well as our book outlines why. New
generations are literate, educated and live in a fast-paced world. Life
in the fast-lane is not necessarily incompatible with old cultural
values. It does require an attempt to maintain the 'old customs' which
of course can be done only if we know the 'old traditions'. Nuclear
families and especially the children of nuclear families have a more
difficult time to know those traditions because the cultural education
processes achieved through frequent observations and learning in a
standardized society is eliminated. This is even more difficult in an
integrated Diaspora in a foreign land. Hence the educated and
intelligent generations of the future will have, through a specific
learning process, to determine ways that permit adapting to the new
without discarding successful traits gathered over 3000 years of
experience, practice and rehearsals. Regards, Philomena and Gilbert
Lawrence.

PS: Have you looked at the World Goa Day (WGD) webpage? It is
stimulating and their theme song is very thrilling. Make your plans to
be at the WGD in Los Angeles on the Fourth of July weekend.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-23 10:22:32 UTC
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Reactions to this news items and responses to some of them.
Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Indian Film Festival
*Why hurry? says well-known film critic on festival venue
Response: Wake-up Mr. Susuegad Goan! If Goa is not interested, many
hardworking progressive states in India are waiting. Goa is still saying
"Why hurry" to develop its computer industry.

* The government plans to build up the entire Rs 200-crore facility
within
18 months.
Response: Great for Goa! Great that Goa has a God-father.

* But by bringing the festival to Goa, the state's tourism industry
would
also receive a short in the arm. Yes, Prasad is only thinking of the
beaches and ambience to attract foreigners to the Goa festival. Why
connect films with tourism? Isn't he putting the cart before the horse?
What about films? Is he aware of how few Indian films have been accepted
in the competition section of the Cannes festival? Not even a handful.
What about the film culture in Goa? There are not even two and a half
cinemas in Goa. Are we in Goa exposed to European films? All we know is
commercial cinema, Bollywood and Hollywood. Do they know that Cannes was
started as a counter to Hollywood, now it is sold out to the Americans.

Response to: Why connect films with tourism? What about films?.....Stop
dreaming start working! Let's work with the Central and State
governments to make this project for Goa a success. If the Goa film
festival is sold to the Americans (for a few billion) why are you
bothered, you did not want it in the first place!!! Regards, Gilbert
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-26 02:26:21 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
Goans have been known to raise futile controversies, in many parts of
the world, and there are even different clubs or associations having
caste based
members. Has any Goan in Canada succeeded in imparting the knowledge of

Konkani to his "brothers and sisters"? Please let me know. However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past. If there were people in Canada already
knowledgeable of the Konkani language, then why did they hide their
Konkani
"lamps under the bushel" Were they waiting for a person like Tim de
Melo to
start the Konknni lessons to ridicule him, like the proverbial GOAN
CRABS?
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.

Response:
I am glad you are raising the question and we are having a dialogue on
Unity among Goans and ipso facto the G.O.A.s. The places I visit both
on the east and west coast of USA and Canada I try to find out from
Goans on the activity of the G.O.A. in their cities.

My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new activities.

I think this would be useful topic for WGD to discuss in LA. I would
suggest the need to develop a G.O.A. template in structure (executive
committee, board, trustees) and have it representing Goans across age,
sex, geographical background (old immigrants, new immigrants; old expats
and new expats) with well defined positions for cultural activities,
membership recruitment, Konkani development and interaction with other
Goan organizations within the city and across the country, in addition
to the usual secretary, finance officer, VP and president.

Because G.O.A. in some cities has not advanced in their activities, the
new Goans have felt the need to develop new associations and have their
own picnics, where there is comradelier and where they are more
welcomed. The challenge is whether G.O.A. will have an open and frank
dialogue to restructure without being defensive about the past. Goans
and GOA has to move forward in the twenty-first century. This would be a
great topic for dialogue at the World Goa Day deliberation and
celebration in Los Angeles. Regards Gilbert Lawrence.
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:10:18 UTC
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WORLD GOA DAY CELEBRATION (New York)
World Goa Day 2003.
By Gilbert Lawrence

World Goa Day was commemorated in New York with a Goan colloquium at New
Rochelle College on June 21, 2003. The same event will be celebrated on
the other coast of the USA over the July Fourth weekend. This is a
celebration in each Goan community across the world to reinforce in us
our Goan heritage. Some Goans say they do not need reinforcement, "They
are Goans yesterday, they are Goans today and they will be Goans
tomorrow". Others are more patriotic and may say, "zolmolam Goemcar anim
mortolom Goemcar" translated to "I was born a Goan and will die a Goan".
These are great maxims. We however need to take these slogans and put
them into actions.

First in our own mind, we need to separate our good values and manners
and our religion from being Goan. Hopefully all decent human beings
throughout the world have good values, manners and a religion. But not
all are Goans! Hence we have to move beyond being good to asking
ourselves, what makes us and our community different from the good
Johnny Nextdoor?

To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora. In
fact this unity with diversity can be our forte and our asset. Every
year we select a topic to broadcast. First the broadcasts should start
at home - to us.

This year due to the efforts of World Goa Day, our Konkani language has
received a big boost. It is difficult (but not impossible) to identify a
community without its own language. Konkani is being used on the net.
Soon we may have (if we do not already have) a software which has a
Konkani dictionary. The lack of a standard spelling is what I have found
to be the most challenging about writing in Konkani. Goan writers will
be recognized and encouraged. Goan talent will be stimulated. These
are your and my kids and grandchildren. Rome was not built in a day.
Every mile starts with the first step. Like the relay marathon this
generation of Goans should leave Goa and Goans in a better shape than
our parents left it - language, geography, history, culture, education,
socio-economic status etc.

Here is an example of what can be done with all working together. This
was a recent posting on the Goanet. "Anyone out there interested on
taking Konkani to the computer? In the Free Software world, this is
possible... and any initiative is welcome. Also, diverse scripts could
be got working too for the language which has between 2-5 million
speakers (estimates vary) and is written in at least five scripts. G
Karunakar <karunakar at freedomink.org>, that amazing resource for Indic
solutions, says the starting point for any translation is the Gnome
glossary. It's a collection of the most commonly occurring tech terms,
which are used a lot in translations. Says he: 'Work becomes easy if you
have this done first. Then the .po files can be taken up (next)'."

World Goa Day organizers are not asking much. They are just asking our
participation, interest and support in the celebration. I personally
would suggest that every Goan commit to spend 100 of what ever their
currency is (or more) in Goa every year. Our slogan should be "Buy Goan"
songs, CD, tapes, books, paintings, handicraft etc. for our own personal
use. Next "Gift Goan" to our neighbors and friends where we live. It
will reward us hundred fold because these recipients will know and
appreciate our and your great culture and heritage. Goans only form one
percent of India's population. If we desire Goan art and culture to
continue and flourish we have to support it. If we do not, no one will!
And then we will not have a Goan community. In the Diaspora, a special
effort needs to be made to bring Goan art to the community. It is
difficult to bring this art (to any individual) one at a time. There is
not a big enough concentrated market place for a Goan store and barely
for a Goan restaurant. Another responsibility for Goan associations to
determine avenues to bring Goa to their members - beyond food and drink.
The new motto for G.O.As and Goans should be "Be Proud to be Goan and
Show it." He who denies, is ashamed, (or still worse!) is ignorant of
his heritage, has no heritage!

"Buy Goan".. "Gift Goan"... "Be Proud to be Goan and Show it."
Gilbert Lawrence
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-06-28 20:15:11 UTC
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For Your Sunday Laughing Pleasure:
The Rape case in Goa:

Just recently I read the complete report from the students - eyewitness
to the events related to the rape case in Goa's college. I compliment
them for their courage to stand up to the politicians, the press, the
bhatkarnis and every Goenkan mother-in-law in Goa and abroad. I was a
slow reader because it was pointed out that this report was on the net a
few weeks ago. Now looking back, I realize why the Goanet sites went
dead on this issue for quite some time. This was after a crescendo of
borem vodlem theories and micro-dissection of physical, mental,
emotional, social, institutional, anatomical, psychological,
physiological, pathological, pharmacological anim all the other
.....ogical rapes. These speeches and write-ups could best be
characterized as 'Zonzonnit' .... 'hodeghant'! Now we are told that all
this really applied to the truth not the facts.

But, the incident allowed every Gabru, Forsu and Pedru anim every Kenkro
and Kenkri anim songlem ghorcarni to use the word "intact hymen" anim
other borem technical uttrac. They did so without having to wash their
mouth with holy or Ganga water after uttering those sacrosanct words.
Amche tempar, we could not dream of it, let alone say it or write it
without ekk zappat from our bapui, bhau, mamma, xamai, mistri, ani
tebair padri-vigar at the confessional. The writers had more fun
scripting on "intact hymen" than the four boys in custody. The only
exception was Gabe Menezes from UK.

So frequent was the word "intact hymen" used, that the other day I met a
Goenkar in New York City. He came up to me and said, "Kitem Saiba? Koho
Hahai? Tujen borem vodlem intact hymen". I responded, "Same to you".

That brings me to this story of this Goenkar in England who was taking
his girl friend for a walk in those beautiful English green meadows.
They came to a white picket fence. Kenkre was full of energy and he
jumped over the fence with great ease. After-all he is a Goenkar and
has done that often. Very gallantly, he offered his hand to the lady
offering to help her over the fence. She said, "Thanks, but I can do it
myself" and she jumped over the fence. She said to Kenkre, "Did you see
my agility?" Kenkre munta (said), "Voi ghe, Yes I saw it, but I did not
know it was called agility." Now Kenkre knows what it is called.
Agility! That's sounds better than "Instant Heaven"! Regards, GL
Paddydes
2003-06-29 04:57:48 UTC
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In a message dated 06/28/2003 5:54:25 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>


IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August.

Strangely this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera.
It assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related. Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.

If this is "a celebration in each Goan community across the world to
reinforce in us
our Goan heritage," then why not call it Goan Heritage Day? World Goa Day, as
it was brought out in previous years, has some other connotations. Let us
call a spade a spade!

There is good reason to say that we celebrate and live out our Goan culture
every day of our lives and inculcate it in the heart and minds of our children.
If we do, however, need a shot in the arm to be reminded on Goan Heritage
Day, then can we all agree on a date specific? This is a good opportunity to get
together and designate a particular day or weekend. If we really mean "Day,"
so let it be.

The alternative is to substitute "World Goa Day" with some other nomenclature
in order to conform with the language.

Proud to be a Goan:

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Eugene Correia
2003-06-29 21:59:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Joao Manuel
However,
ever
since I settled here, barely two years ago,THERE
HAVE BEEN SOCIALS AND
SOCIALS, EVEN TWO TWO GOAN SOCIALS ON THE SAME
DAY!!!. I have attended
some
of them, including VIVA GOA, which had a good
entertaining value, but
the
Goans have remained in the dark regarding their
colourful culture and
thir
rich and glorious past.
Since Joao Manuel is a newcomer to Toronto, let me
inform him that the International Goan Convention in
1988 was a resounding success. If he can lay hands on
the convention souvenir he can see the fine
contributions from Goan scholars, and also on the
Convention Proceedings, in book form, he will see the
work done.
Unfortunately, no follow through has been done, except
that the International Goan Organization (IGO) was set
up and did a couple of projects. The IGO story is
another kettle of fish.
To imply that Goans hear are "in the dark of regarding
their colourful culture and their rich and glorious
past" is to make a wild statement. No point in taking
a shot in the dark. I would have rather preferred if
JM had asked around.
It could be true that majority of Goans here and
elsewhere care little to ready Goan history. For that
Canadians, many Canadians, and I talk about "white"
Canadians, are ignorant of this nation's cultural,
social and political history. Even their knowledge of
geography is shocking.
Viva Goa is one good effort in showing our culture.
For at least four years, GOA used to host Panjim
Caravan at the International Caravan, currently on in
the Toronto, but for financial reasons the GOA had to
stop it. Hundreds of non-Goans attended pavilion
during the nine days.
The caravan itself has lost lot of its shine. Even
there's no more Delhi Pavilion which was hosted by the
India-Canada Association, which has folded. There is
some sort of pavilion representing India, and I
haven't been to the caravan this year to know how good
it is.
Goans have taken part in the inauguration ceremony of
the SkyDome, the baseball ground, the world's first
with a retracteable roof. This is besides a group
representing India. Everybody asked where the "Goa
country" was, and some non-Goan Indians were angry
that the Goan group was allowed to participate as a
separate entity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Come on! Let us all, learned or not, gather
together and HAVE A FRANK
DISCUSSION ON HOW TO BRING ABOUT UNITY among
ourselves, instead of using
the
internet to wash our dirty linen. Regards, J.M.
Unity must be achieved, but it's hard. Like all
assocaitions, there's always politics. I have seen
from close range many Indian associations and how
divided they are. If you see the Sikh community, you'd
be surprised at the level of politics they have.
There is often some sort of division in organizations,
and to have 100 per cent unity would be a miracle. We
can only hope, pray and try to achieve unity.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
My impression (and I hope I am wrong) are that
G.O.A.s have become
inactive and burnt-out. They have become private
fraternities of people
who have known each other for eons. There is no
attempt to recruit new
blood and new faces and be involved with new
activities.
Gilbert was in Toronto recently, and I don't know if
he noticed or was told that the GOA has young blood. I
don't about organizations in other provinces or in the
US.
The "young adults" have done a tremendously good job,
though some criticism has been levelled at them and
that too coming from seniors.
The GOA here is well-structured with an executive and
board of trustees, and indepentend auditors. The
problem of getting new immigrants into the
organization is a challenge. For $40 a year, members
ask if they are getting their money's worth. If a
member does attend the christman and new year's
dances, the membership fees pays for itself because
members enjoy discounted rates.
Just other day, I was talking to a member of the
trustees re: discount for members for Viva Goa. He
said there would be logistic problems. A member could
buy tickets and give it to non-members friends. And
who has the time at the gate to check each's one
membership?
Anothe way of thinking is that by giving a flat rate
for members and non-members, non-members will get a
chance to see what GOA is doing and perhaps be
convinced to be a member.
Hopefully, next year we could have a North American
Convention/Conference. I and George Pinto have
exchanged some views on it, and I believe it would be
on the agenda of the US Goans reunion.
I have sounded some members of the GOA and I await a
formal letter from Pinto making a suggestion for such
a gathering and also topics that could be discussed.
I have suggested the date to be during the Viva Goa
days, as the programme could be enhanced. The venue is
booked for two days, and one day could be used for
conferences, workshops, etc.
Let's hope this project turns into reality.

Eugene Correia


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2003-06-30 03:11:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Breathing new life into G.O.A.s


Thanks Eugene for your thoughts.
To begin with we are all on the same side to make G.O.A. successful and
helpful to all Goans. You have made some very valid points, including
the frank discussion of charges for the functions. Here are some
observations.

Any function is done for the audience. The more the people that
participate, the greater the satisfaction of the efforts that went into
putting the event together. People who attend the function (both members
and non-members) have a greater opportunity to network which, with
cultural education, is the main purpose for socialization for the
Diasporas. Out-of-towners (non-members) have the cost and inconvenience
of travel to attend the event. They add a certain amount of variety
with new faces, new topics to dialogue and new network opportunities.

To get participation, from outsiders the charge should correlate with
the cost for the program. The more people that participate, the less the
per person cost (basic business principle). Hence the charge for members
and non-members should not vary widely. That difference is a sign that
outsiders are welcome or not welcome.

Recently the St. Thomas church, Aldona, association in London advertised
their program on the GoaNet. The members cost was 8:00 pounds and non-
members was 8.50 - very reasonable. This compares to some function where
the event is free to members and non-member cost is $25:00/meal
(picnic). Clearly, here non-members are not welcome and such a group
should not even bother to widely publicize the event.

As far as success of the G.O.A. events in a small or big city depends on
the advance publicity. When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:))) Summer in North America is just
three months and the social calendar of people that requires a
commitment fill very fast.

Hope all the G.O.A.s succeed and let us give the widest publicity and
welcome to all Goans in the Diaspora, who in turn should do their best
to support the Goan functions. Regards, Gilbert.
Mervyn Lobo
2003-07-01 16:53:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose
schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA
social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:)))
-----------------------------
Gilbert Lawrence,
Here is the website/calender for GOA Toronto.


http://www.goatoronto.com/


Mervyn


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-07-01 10:53:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Goan culture: World Goa Day

Gilbert Lawrence writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength
in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>

Pat de Sousa, Maryland, USA writes:

IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August. Strangely
this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera. It
assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related.
Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday
is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.........

Response:

You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day. To me, World Goa
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture. As you pointed out this is
through out the year. I look at WGD as the Oktoberfest of the Goan
Community. I attend 8-10 Oktoberfest a year in the USA, and their dates
are from August to November. In fact, I miss a few because multiple
communities celebrate their Oktober fest on the same day. Thus to any
Goan community that wants to celebrate WGD in May or in August, be my
guest. That will be more WGDs that I can attend and enjoy the
camaraderie of other Goans. Gilbert.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2003-07-02 16:08:22 UTC
Permalink
From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:53 PM
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day.
<

If I may say so, Gilbert, May 30 is the birth day of Goa as a state, and
therefore it is called "Goa Statehood Day" and not - as far as I know - "Goa
Day".

<
< To me, World Goa
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture.
Of Goan culture and heritage. And, as our culture, heritage and identity as
a people is based principally on our language and literature (even when we
are not much conversant with these), August 20 was chosen in 1999 to be the
"World Goa Day" because it was on that date in 1992 that Konkani was
recognised as one of India's "national" languages and included in the 8th
schedule of the Constitution. We could, in case there is a consensus around
the matter, change WGD to April 9, the day which, marking the anniversary of
Shennoy Goembab's death in 1946, is celebrated in Goa as "Konkani Day".

August 20 has already been contested by some netters, so I hereby invite
Rene Barreto (the "father" of WGD) to think about the convenience - or
otherwise - of adopting April 9 instead of August 20 as WGD. Another
appropriate date would be January 16, to honour the day in 1967 when by a
majority vote Goans decided against the merger of the territory with
Maharastra and so upheld the distinct identity of Goa. After all, the main
purpose of the WGD, as I see it, is to uphold, nurture and foster our
identity.

Jorge
Miguel Braganza
2003-07-06 14:29:28 UTC
Permalink
January 16 may be a nice day to remember and celebrate in Goa.I do that
think Goans in UK,Canada,etc will particularly like to celebrate at the peak
of winter or in Australia at the peak of summer. In Goa we have a choice of
celebrations about Goa and Konkani. Let Goans abroad choose one day that is
best suited to them.That they remember Goa is good enough.
Miguel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <joli.goa at mail.telepac.pt>
To: "Goanet" <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Goan culture: World Goa Day
Post by Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:53 PM
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day.
<
If I may say so, Gilbert, May 30 is the birth day of Goa as a state, and
therefore it is called "Goa Statehood Day" and not - as far as I know - "Goa
Day".
<
< To me, World Goa
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture.
Of Goan culture and heritage. And, as our culture, heritage and identity as
a people is based principally on our language and literature (even when we
are not much conversant with these), August 20 was chosen in 1999 to be the
"World Goa Day" because it was on that date in 1992 that Konkani was
recognised as one of India's "national" languages and included in the 8th
schedule of the Constitution. We could, in case there is a consensus around
the matter, change WGD to April 9, the day which, marking the anniversary of
Shennoy Goembab's death in 1946, is celebrated in Goa as "Konkani Day".
August 20 has already been contested by some netters, so I hereby invite
Rene Barreto (the "father" of WGD) to think about the convenience - or
otherwise - of adopting April 9 instead of August 20 as WGD. Another
appropriate date would be January 16, to honour the day in 1967 when by a
majority vote Goans decided against the merger of the territory with
Maharastra and so upheld the distinct identity of Goa. After all, the main
purpose of the WGD, as I see it, is to uphold, nurture and foster our
identity.
Jorge
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Eugene Correia
2003-07-01 23:35:27 UTC
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Dear John,

Congrats on having the convention stuff on goacom.
Unfortunately, only the indexes are there. Wish all
the articles were online.
----
Now a collector's Item
GOACOM's Copy Courtesy of Al Mathias & Ben Antao
Note: The Brochure itself (modestly!) does not list
the name(s) of the Editor and those responsible for
this excellent publication.
----
It seems this above para is deliberately done by you.
You're always up to some mischief!!
Good news is that I have a few copies with me. Since
they are now collector's issue, I can selling them to
anyone for $25 Canadian.

I also have a three or four copies of FRANKLY
SPEAKING, a collection of writings by Prof. Frank
D'Souza. Price $35 each.

I have one copy of DOWN THE CORRIDOR OF TIME, VOL 11,
the autobiography by Prof. Aloysius Soares. I could
exchange this one for VOL 1, if someone has a spare
copy. My copy of the VOL I was never returned by a
borrower, as my mom told me, when my books were in Goa
before being shipped to Canada.

I also have a copy of Goa's Freedom Struggle, edited
by P.P. Shirodkar.

Eugene



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2003-07-02 03:41:07 UTC
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In a message dated 07/01/2003 3:29:42 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day. To me, World Goa
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture. As you pointed out this is
through out the year. I look at WGD as the Oktoberfest of the Goan
Community. I attend 8-10 Oktoberfest a year in the USA, and their dates
are from August to November. >>

Gilbert, then why have another contentious World Goa Day -- like Goanet and
Goanet-1? Worldwide Goans should be smart enough to coin another worthy new
name to avoid duplication :-) Any suggestions from other Goanetters?

In re Oktoberfest, that name is month specific -- October (British: Ale
brewed this month). In any event, one wrong does not justify another! Goans in Goa
and worldwide should definitely be more astute and forward thinking.

JMHO (just my humble opinion):

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA
Joe Vaz
2003-07-02 18:39:35 UTC
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Another appropriate date would be January 16, to honour the day in 1967
when by a
majority vote Goans decided against the merger of the territory with
Maharastra and so upheld the distinct identity of Goa. After all, the main
purpose of the WGD, as I see it, is to uphold, nurture and foster our
identity.
Good point, Jorge. There would NOT have been GOA State (or GOA DAY), if not
for our great Goans who voted against the merger of Goa with Maharashtra.
Quite a memorable event, one that remains indelible in my mind. I was in
Goa then, and can still remember the elations and jubilations, celebrating
the great ?V? Victory.

I would vote for January 16th as 'GOA DAY' (WGD). God Bless Goa and Goans.

Best wishes,

Joe Vaz

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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-07-02 22:09:05 UTC
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Hi Jorge,
Thanks for pointing out the technical distinction. May 30th is indeed
'Goa Statehood Day' and not "Goa Day". But with all due respect, you
have totally missed the point I was making. My point is May 30 is
legally designated as Goa's birthday like the July 4 for USA and August
15 for India.

April as time for public celebration is poor timing of the year because
it is still winter in North America and Europe.

This whole discussion is what Goans are famous for - Making an issue out
of a non-issue (also like the Goenchim prize). If you want to celebrate
Goan culture in May be my guest. If you desire to celebrate Goan culture
in August be my guest too. If you want to celebrate both events (Goa
statehood Day and Goa Language Day) that would be even more wonderful.
And if you also want to celebrate Asmitai Dis in January that would be
terrific. The sad part to all these discussions is that Goans do more
arguing that getting on with the job and accomplishing it.

As a community we do not recognize, celebrate and practice Goan culture
enough. And there are scientific studies to prove that!!! We have
substituted our Goan cultural celebrations with picnics. And now we have
only picnics with no culture!!!

So the more Goa-specific celebrations we have throughout the year, the
more likely we are to appreciate that Goan culture like or language is
an ongoing and important aspect to "uphold, nurture and foster our
identity."
Regards, Gilbert.

-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-admin at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-admin at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: Goanet
Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Goan culture: World Goa Day

From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 12:53 PM
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day.
<

If I may say so, Gilbert, May 30 is the birth day of Goa as a state, and
therefore it is called "Goa Statehood Day" and not - as far as I know -
"Goa
Day".

<
< To me, World Goa
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture.
Of Goan culture and heritage. And, as our culture, heritage and identity
as
a people is based principally on our language and literature (even when
we
are not much conversant with these), August 20 was chosen in 1999 to be
the
"World Goa Day" because it was on that date in 1992 that Konkani was
recognised as one of India's "national" languages and included in the
8th
schedule of the Constitution. We could, in case there is a consensus
around
the matter, change WGD to April 9, the day which, marking the
anniversary of
Shennoy Goembab's death in 1946, is celebrated in Goa as "Konkani Day".

August 20 has already been contested by some netters, so I hereby invite
Rene Barreto (the "father" of WGD) to think about the convenience - or
otherwise - of adopting April 9 instead of August 20 as WGD. Another
appropriate date would be January 16, to honour the day in 1967 when by
a
majority vote Goans decided against the merger of the territory with
Maharastra and so upheld the distinct identity of Goa. After all, the
main
purpose of the WGD, as I see it, is to uphold, nurture and foster our
identity.

Jorge
Gilbert Lawrence
2003-07-03 01:28:51 UTC
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Free Goan Get-together and dance

ATTENTION ----- ATTENTION ------- ATTENTION
GOANS on the East Coast of USA and Canada
Weekends of FUN FUN FUN and it is FREE
Dance till you can dance no more!!!
Lots of Beer, Polka, Waltzes, Yodel, Swing, Fox Trot, etc..
Bring out those dancing shoes.
Grease those ankles, knees and hips.
Other activities.

Meet other "Appurbaenche Goenkars" from other states
You do not have to be a member of G.O.A. or other associations

July 25, 26, 27 Mohegan Sun Casino Polkathon at Connecticut
October 4, 5 Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain Resort, NY
October 11, 12 Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain Resort, NY

Check out the websites of these places for time and directions.
We plan to have a Goan get-together on Saturday at these functions.
Being free, bring your grandmother and your sasumai (mother-in-law) =:)
Bring your guests, relatives and friends from where-ever =:)
You bring or buy your own food and drinks.
Please pass this e-mail to other Goenkars.
r_barreto
2003-07-03 16:07:37 UTC
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Free Goan Get-together and dance


Gilbert , That s the way to go.

I am sure the many Goans in your area will support the
Goan Get-together.



rene
---- original message ----
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Free Goan Get-together and dance
ATTENTION ----- ATTENTION ------- ATTENTION
GOANS on the East Coast of USA and Canada
Weekends of FUN FUN FUN and it is FREE
Dance till you can dance no more!!!
Lots of Beer, Polka, Waltzes, Yodel, Swing, Fox Trot,
etc..
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Bring out those dancing shoes.
Grease those ankles, knees and hips.
Other activities.
Meet other "Appurbaenche Goenkars" from other states
You do not have to be a member of G.O.A. or other
associations
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
July 25, 26, 27 Mohegan Sun Casino Polkathon
at Connecticut
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
October 4, 5 Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain
Resort, NY
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
October 11, 12 Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain
Resort, NY
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Check out the websites of these places for time and
directions.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
We plan to have a Goan get-together on Saturday at
these functions.
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Being free, bring your grandmother and your sasumai
(mother-in-law) =:)
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
Bring your guests, relatives and friends from where-
ever =:)
Post by Gilbert Lawrence
You bring or buy your own food and drinks.
Please pass this e-mail to other Goenkars.
Mervyn Lobo
2003-07-01 16:53:01 UTC
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Post by Gilbert Lawrence
When did the publicity for Viva Goa start? When
is the next GOA event of GTA (for those whose
schedule does not permit
them to make it to the Viva Goa)? What is GOA
social calendar for the
year; unless it is a state secret. =:)))
-----------------------------
Gilbert Lawrence,
Here is the website/calender for GOA Toronto.


http://www.goatoronto.com/


Mervyn


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Gilbert Lawrence
2003-07-01 10:53:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] RE: Goan culture: World Goa Day

Gilbert Lawrence writes:

<< To highlight that difference of our community (from others) and to
publicize it to the world - in India and in all the countries where
Goans live - we need to get together and speak in one voice. That is
what World Goa Day is all about. And a string of World Goa Day
celebrations around the world is a sign of our unity and our strength
in
our (political and geographical) diversity and in our Goan Diaspora >>

Pat de Sousa, Maryland, USA writes:

IMHO, World Goa Day was originally planned for mid-August. Strangely
this phenomena seems to now stretch for weeks, months, et cetera. It
assumes under its umbrella anything and everything that is Goa related.
Some
would like to celebrate their life throughout the year, but a birthday
is
time specific, and so should World Goa Day.........

Response:

You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day. To me, World Goa
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture. As you pointed out this is
through out the year. I look at WGD as the Oktoberfest of the Goan
Community. I attend 8-10 Oktoberfest a year in the USA, and their dates
are from August to November. In fact, I miss a few because multiple
communities celebrate their Oktober fest on the same day. Thus to any
Goan community that wants to celebrate WGD in May or in August, be my
guest. That will be more WGDs that I can attend and enjoy the
camaraderie of other Goans. Gilbert.
Eugene Correia
2003-07-01 23:35:27 UTC
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Dear John,

Congrats on having the convention stuff on goacom.
Unfortunately, only the indexes are there. Wish all
the articles were online.
----
Now a collector's Item
GOACOM's Copy Courtesy of Al Mathias & Ben Antao
Note: The Brochure itself (modestly!) does not list
the name(s) of the Editor and those responsible for
this excellent publication.
----
It seems this above para is deliberately done by you.
You're always up to some mischief!!
Good news is that I have a few copies with me. Since
they are now collector's issue, I can selling them to
anyone for $25 Canadian.

I also have a three or four copies of FRANKLY
SPEAKING, a collection of writings by Prof. Frank
D'Souza. Price $35 each.

I have one copy of DOWN THE CORRIDOR OF TIME, VOL 11,
the autobiography by Prof. Aloysius Soares. I could
exchange this one for VOL 1, if someone has a spare
copy. My copy of the VOL I was never returned by a
borrower, as my mom told me, when my books were in Goa
before being shipped to Canada.

I also have a copy of Goa's Freedom Struggle, edited
by P.P. Shirodkar.

Eugene



I also have a spare copy of


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Paddydes
2003-07-02 03:41:07 UTC
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In a message dated 07/01/2003 3:29:42 PM EST, gilbertlaw at adelphia.net writes:

<< You have a point Pat. Historically speaking the birthday of Goa is May
30- which as you well know is designated as Goa Day. To me, World Goa
Day is a celebration of the Goan culture. As you pointed out this is
through out the year. I look at WGD as the Oktoberfest of the Goan
Community. I attend 8-10 Oktoberfest a year in the USA, and their dates
are from August to November. >>

Gilbert, then why have another contentious World Goa Day -- like Goanet and
Goanet-1? Worldwide Goans should be smart enough to coin another worthy new
name to avoid duplication :-) Any suggestions from other Goanetters?

In re Oktoberfest, that name is month specific -- October (British: Ale
brewed this month). In any event, one wrong does not justify another! Goans in Goa
and worldwide should definitely be more astute and forward thinking.

JMHO (just my humble opinion):

Pat de Sousa
Maryland, USA

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