Discussion:
British Goans heritage project
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Eugene Correia
2011-09-06 08:48:43 UTC
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Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.


Eugene Correia
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 09:24:23 UTC
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Eugene, Where did you see these details? Please forward. Thanks Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:48:43 +0400
> From: eugene.correia at gmail.com
> To: goanet at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 09:43:12 UTC
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On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
>

RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!

In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.

It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
the reference come from?

--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 11:02:42 UTC
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I agree. An East African Goan would have the history, uniqueness and the flavourof life built into the DNA. The preliminary research would not need to be done because an East African Goan would have lived it and understood it as a second skin. In these circumstances, the experiences recorded would be richer and in-flavour about the people you writing about. If you are not one of them, you are an outsider. Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 12:23:21 UTC
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Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere, living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about. Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 20:37:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 13:23, Cyprian Fernandes <skipfer at live.com.au> wrote:

>
> Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will
> notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job
> ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the
> first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There
> was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an
> outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere,
> living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals
> as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there
> is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very
> little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would
> have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's
> political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have
> known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality
> research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about.
> Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100


Dear Cyprian,

You read me well and I read your response likewise. No one is taking away
the fact that Mrs. Carvalho was responsible for obtaining the Heritage
lottery Fund. May be Bwana Karani, the quiet one, could inform this forum
more on this matter. Seems like the good Bwana Karani - Boran and the dusky
Shashtikar talked and an idea was formed. With the help of the Ex-Colonial
Masters the grant was obtained.

There was no need for all the jiggery pokery to make it look like everything
was above Board w.r.t to the appointment. The posts and announcements in
cyberspace to show the contrary. When people post on this site it is there
for the taking!


--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 20:37:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 13:23, Cyprian Fernandes <skipfer at live.com.au> wrote:

>
> Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will
> notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job
> ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the
> first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There
> was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an
> outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere,
> living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals
> as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there
> is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very
> little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would
> have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's
> political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have
> known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality
> research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about.
> Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100


Dear Cyprian,

You read me well and I read your response likewise. No one is taking away
the fact that Mrs. Carvalho was responsible for obtaining the Heritage
lottery Fund. May be Bwana Karani, the quiet one, could inform this forum
more on this matter. Seems like the good Bwana Karani - Boran and the dusky
Shashtikar talked and an idea was formed. With the help of the Ex-Colonial
Masters the grant was obtained.

There was no need for all the jiggery pokery to make it look like everything
was above Board w.r.t to the appointment. The posts and announcements in
cyberspace to show the contrary. When people post on this site it is there
for the taking!


--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 20:37:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 13:23, Cyprian Fernandes <skipfer at live.com.au> wrote:

>
> Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will
> notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job
> ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the
> first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There
> was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an
> outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere,
> living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals
> as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there
> is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very
> little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would
> have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's
> political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have
> known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality
> research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about.
> Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100


Dear Cyprian,

You read me well and I read your response likewise. No one is taking away
the fact that Mrs. Carvalho was responsible for obtaining the Heritage
lottery Fund. May be Bwana Karani, the quiet one, could inform this forum
more on this matter. Seems like the good Bwana Karani - Boran and the dusky
Shashtikar talked and an idea was formed. With the help of the Ex-Colonial
Masters the grant was obtained.

There was no need for all the jiggery pokery to make it look like everything
was above Board w.r.t to the appointment. The posts and announcements in
cyberspace to show the contrary. When people post on this site it is there
for the taking!


--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 20:37:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 13:23, Cyprian Fernandes <skipfer at live.com.au> wrote:

>
> Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will
> notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job
> ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the
> first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There
> was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an
> outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere,
> living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals
> as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there
> is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very
> little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would
> have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's
> political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have
> known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality
> research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about.
> Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100


Dear Cyprian,

You read me well and I read your response likewise. No one is taking away
the fact that Mrs. Carvalho was responsible for obtaining the Heritage
lottery Fund. May be Bwana Karani, the quiet one, could inform this forum
more on this matter. Seems like the good Bwana Karani - Boran and the dusky
Shashtikar talked and an idea was formed. With the help of the Ex-Colonial
Masters the grant was obtained.

There was no need for all the jiggery pokery to make it look like everything
was above Board w.r.t to the appointment. The posts and announcements in
cyberspace to show the contrary. When people post on this site it is there
for the taking!


--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 20:37:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 13:23, Cyprian Fernandes <skipfer at live.com.au> wrote:

>
> Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will
> notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job
> ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the
> first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There
> was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an
> outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere,
> living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals
> as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there
> is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very
> little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would
> have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's
> political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have
> known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality
> research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about.
> Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100


Dear Cyprian,

You read me well and I read your response likewise. No one is taking away
the fact that Mrs. Carvalho was responsible for obtaining the Heritage
lottery Fund. May be Bwana Karani, the quiet one, could inform this forum
more on this matter. Seems like the good Bwana Karani - Boran and the dusky
Shashtikar talked and an idea was formed. With the help of the Ex-Colonial
Masters the grant was obtained.

There was no need for all the jiggery pokery to make it look like everything
was above Board w.r.t to the appointment. The posts and announcements in
cyberspace to show the contrary. When people post on this site it is there
for the taking!


--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Mervyn Lobo
2011-09-07 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Gabe Menezes wrote:
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30?
> odd years?ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of?
> Merton. My feeling is?that it will be even more difficult? in today's climate.?
> I think though,?that someone with no attachment to East African Goans,?
> will find it not that?easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is?
> thrown in, where will?the reference come from?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Gabe Menezes,

There is a sizable number of Goans from Karachi here in Toronto with
their own long established social group. These guys are a real fun group.
However, when I am with them I sometimes get lost as I cannot visualize
events that they experienced in Karachi.



There is the possibility that an outsider will be able to document a groups
reminences?better than someone from with in the group. A?documenter?
with well horned skills, who has earned the groups trust, would be able to?
extract those all important details.


On the other hand, I am skeptical anyone would open their memories
to a?person?who has gone on record as saying, "We Goans are a peg
lower?than?cows."


Mervyn1874Lobo
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 11:02:42 UTC
Permalink
I agree. An East African Goan would have the history, uniqueness and the flavourof life built into the DNA. The preliminary research would not need to be done because an East African Goan would have lived it and understood it as a second skin. In these circumstances, the experiences recorded would be richer and in-flavour about the people you writing about. If you are not one of them, you are an outsider. Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 12:23:21 UTC
Permalink
Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere, living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about. Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Mervyn Lobo
2011-09-07 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Gabe Menezes wrote:
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30?
> odd years?ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of?
> Merton. My feeling is?that it will be even more difficult? in today's climate.?
> I think though,?that someone with no attachment to East African Goans,?
> will find it not that?easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is?
> thrown in, where will?the reference come from?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Gabe Menezes,

There is a sizable number of Goans from Karachi here in Toronto with
their own long established social group. These guys are a real fun group.
However, when I am with them I sometimes get lost as I cannot visualize
events that they experienced in Karachi.



There is the possibility that an outsider will be able to document a groups
reminences?better than someone from with in the group. A?documenter?
with well horned skills, who has earned the groups trust, would be able to?
extract those all important details.


On the other hand, I am skeptical anyone would open their memories
to a?person?who has gone on record as saying, "We Goans are a peg
lower?than?cows."


Mervyn1874Lobo
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 11:02:42 UTC
Permalink
I agree. An East African Goan would have the history, uniqueness and the flavourof life built into the DNA. The preliminary research would not need to be done because an East African Goan would have lived it and understood it as a second skin. In these circumstances, the experiences recorded would be richer and in-flavour about the people you writing about. If you are not one of them, you are an outsider. Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 12:23:21 UTC
Permalink
Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere, living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about. Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Mervyn Lobo
2011-09-07 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Gabe Menezes wrote:
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30?
> odd years?ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of?
> Merton. My feeling is?that it will be even more difficult? in today's climate.?
> I think though,?that someone with no attachment to East African Goans,?
> will find it not that?easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is?
> thrown in, where will?the reference come from?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Gabe Menezes,

There is a sizable number of Goans from Karachi here in Toronto with
their own long established social group. These guys are a real fun group.
However, when I am with them I sometimes get lost as I cannot visualize
events that they experienced in Karachi.



There is the possibility that an outsider will be able to document a groups
reminences?better than someone from with in the group. A?documenter?
with well horned skills, who has earned the groups trust, would be able to?
extract those all important details.


On the other hand, I am skeptical anyone would open their memories
to a?person?who has gone on record as saying, "We Goans are a peg
lower?than?cows."


Mervyn1874Lobo
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 11:02:42 UTC
Permalink
I agree. An East African Goan would have the history, uniqueness and the flavourof life built into the DNA. The preliminary research would not need to be done because an East African Goan would have lived it and understood it as a second skin. In these circumstances, the experiences recorded would be richer and in-flavour about the people you writing about. If you are not one of them, you are an outsider. Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 12:23:21 UTC
Permalink
Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere, living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about. Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Mervyn Lobo
2011-09-07 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Gabe Menezes wrote:
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30?
> odd years?ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of?
> Merton. My feeling is?that it will be even more difficult? in today's climate.?
> I think though,?that someone with no attachment to East African Goans,?
> will find it not that?easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is?
> thrown in, where will?the reference come from?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Gabe Menezes,

There is a sizable number of Goans from Karachi here in Toronto with
their own long established social group. These guys are a real fun group.
However, when I am with them I sometimes get lost as I cannot visualize
events that they experienced in Karachi.



There is the possibility that an outsider will be able to document a groups
reminences?better than someone from with in the group. A?documenter?
with well horned skills, who has earned the groups trust, would be able to?
extract those all important details.


On the other hand, I am skeptical anyone would open their memories
to a?person?who has gone on record as saying, "We Goans are a peg
lower?than?cows."


Mervyn1874Lobo
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 11:02:42 UTC
Permalink
I agree. An East African Goan would have the history, uniqueness and the flavourof life built into the DNA. The preliminary research would not need to be done because an East African Goan would have lived it and understood it as a second skin. In these circumstances, the experiences recorded would be richer and in-flavour about the people you writing about. If you are not one of them, you are an outsider. Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 12:23:21 UTC
Permalink
Gabe, Adding to my previous post: I am not suggesting that an outsider will notdo a good job. I am suggesting an East African should do a better job ifhe or she has the skill and talent. I write about Goa but I would be the first to admit that Goan writers in Goa will always do a better job. There was the case of a writer who relied on interviews with the wife of an outstanding politician. This was a poor substitute for actually beingthere, living the political intrigues, conspiracies, the threats and the betrayals as well as the atmospherics of the Goan community. More importantly, there is a need to understand that politician husbands telltheir wives very little. On the other hand, if the writer had lived in Kenyahe or she would have understood the fuller perspective through the eyesof the man's political alumni, both pro and against. An East African writerwould have known much of this for himself and would not have had torely on poor quality research. There is a clear advantage in living the history one writes about. Cyprian > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:43:12 +0100
> From: gabe.menezes at gmail.com
> To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> > Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> > credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> > researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> > studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> > does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> > would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> > Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
> >
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
>
> RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
> for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
> would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
> put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!
>
> In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
> project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
> offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
> that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
> a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.
>
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
> ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
> that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
> that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
> easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
> the reference come from?
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM
>
> Gabe Menezes.
Mervyn Lobo
2011-09-07 02:10:36 UTC
Permalink
Gabe Menezes wrote:
> It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30?
> odd years?ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of?
> Merton. My feeling is?that it will be even more difficult? in today's climate.?
> I think though,?that someone with no attachment to East African Goans,?
> will find it not that?easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is?
> thrown in, where will?the reference come from?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Gabe Menezes,

There is a sizable number of Goans from Karachi here in Toronto with
their own long established social group. These guys are a real fun group.
However, when I am with them I sometimes get lost as I cannot visualize
events that they experienced in Karachi.



There is the possibility that an outsider will be able to document a groups
reminences?better than someone from with in the group. A?documenter?
with well horned skills, who has earned the groups trust, would be able to?
extract those all important details.


On the other hand, I am skeptical anyone would open their memories
to a?person?who has gone on record as saying, "We Goans are a peg
lower?than?cows."


Mervyn1874Lobo
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2011-09-06 11:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Not authoritarian for sure :-) Authoritative? FN

au?thor?i?tar?i?an? ?[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to
individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or
practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate
to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person
or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the
people.
3.
exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of
another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

On 6 September 2011 14:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans ?heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
Carvalho
2011-09-06 22:32:40 UTC
Permalink
The lead academic researchers on this project are Clifford Pereira, Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, UK and Dr. Margaret Frenz, Research Fellow of the University of Edinburgh.
?
I am the Project Manager and my responsibilities are largely administrative, a job I am amply qualified to do.
?
These?relentless attacks on a fellow-Goan are unwarranted and unbecoming. I have done nothing unethical or immoral to deserve them.
?
Best,
Selma
Eugene Correia
2011-09-06 08:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.


Eugene Correia
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 09:24:23 UTC
Permalink
Eugene, Where did you see these details? Please forward. Thanks Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:48:43 +0400
> From: eugene.correia at gmail.com
> To: goanet at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 09:43:12 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
>

RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!

In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.

It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
the reference come from?

--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2011-09-06 11:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Not authoritarian for sure :-) Authoritative? FN

au?thor?i?tar?i?an? ?[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to
individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or
practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate
to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person
or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the
people.
3.
exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of
another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

On 6 September 2011 14:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans ?heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
Carvalho
2011-09-06 22:32:40 UTC
Permalink
The lead academic researchers on this project are Clifford Pereira, Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, UK and Dr. Margaret Frenz, Research Fellow of the University of Edinburgh.
?
I am the Project Manager and my responsibilities are largely administrative, a job I am amply qualified to do.
?
These?relentless attacks on a fellow-Goan are unwarranted and unbecoming. I have done nothing unethical or immoral to deserve them.
?
Best,
Selma
Eugene Correia
2011-09-06 08:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.


Eugene Correia
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 09:24:23 UTC
Permalink
Eugene, Where did you see these details? Please forward. Thanks Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:48:43 +0400
> From: eugene.correia at gmail.com
> To: goanet at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 09:43:12 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
>

RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!

In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.

It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
the reference come from?

--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2011-09-06 11:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Not authoritarian for sure :-) Authoritative? FN

au?thor?i?tar?i?an? ?[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to
individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or
practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate
to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person
or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the
people.
3.
exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of
another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

On 6 September 2011 14:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans ?heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
Carvalho
2011-09-06 22:32:40 UTC
Permalink
The lead academic researchers on this project are Clifford Pereira, Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, UK and Dr. Margaret Frenz, Research Fellow of the University of Edinburgh.
?
I am the Project Manager and my responsibilities are largely administrative, a job I am amply qualified to do.
?
These?relentless attacks on a fellow-Goan are unwarranted and unbecoming. I have done nothing unethical or immoral to deserve them.
?
Best,
Selma
Eugene Correia
2011-09-06 08:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.


Eugene Correia
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 09:24:23 UTC
Permalink
Eugene, Where did you see these details? Please forward. Thanks Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:48:43 +0400
> From: eugene.correia at gmail.com
> To: goanet at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 09:43:12 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
>

RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!

In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.

It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
the reference come from?

--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2011-09-06 11:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Not authoritarian for sure :-) Authoritative? FN

au?thor?i?tar?i?an? ?[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to
individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or
practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate
to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person
or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the
people.
3.
exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of
another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

On 6 September 2011 14:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans ?heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
Carvalho
2011-09-06 22:32:40 UTC
Permalink
The lead academic researchers on this project are Clifford Pereira, Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, UK and Dr. Margaret Frenz, Research Fellow of the University of Edinburgh.
?
I am the Project Manager and my responsibilities are largely administrative, a job I am amply qualified to do.
?
These?relentless attacks on a fellow-Goan are unwarranted and unbecoming. I have done nothing unethical or immoral to deserve them.
?
Best,
Selma
Eugene Correia
2011-09-06 08:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.


Eugene Correia
Cyprian Fernandes
2011-09-06 09:24:23 UTC
Permalink
Eugene, Where did you see these details? Please forward. Thanks Cyprian
> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:48:43 +0400
> From: eugene.correia at gmail.com
> To: goanet at goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] British Goans heritage project
>
> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
Gabe Menezes
2011-09-06 09:43:12 UTC
Permalink
On 6 September 2011 09:48, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone on this forum inform me if the GOA UK approached Dr. Stella
> Mascarenhas-Keyes to head the heritage project. I think Stella has more
> credentials that Selma Carvalho, who has been mentioned as the lead
> researcher of the team, as Stella is a recognized expert on migration
> studies. True that Selma has penned a book on Goan diaspora but that really
> does not establish her as a researcher with the professionalism that Stella
> would bring to the job. If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
>
>
> Eugene Correia
>

RESPONSE: According to what was put out; Mrs Carvalho did the ground work
for obtaining the Heritage Grant. So naturally, it was a given that she
would do the job. Then just to make things look kosher, an advertisement was
put out, so that the person applying would fit the frock!

In any case, I would not think that Stella would have been interested in the
project; she is in full time employment on the education front. The sum
offered to the project manager is ?500 per month. My dog costs more than
that, in terms of Dog health insurance and his food. I take it, that this is
a labour of love for Mrs. Carvalho. Important to her, as she puts it.

It was quite a chore to get people to open up their doors some 30 odd years
ago; I know, I did the rounds in the London Borough of Merton. My feeling is
that it will be even more difficult in today's climate. I think though,
that someone with no attachment to East African Goans, will find it not that
easy, to capture the flavour and nuances. If a yarn is thrown in, where will
the reference come from?

--
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2011-09-06 11:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Not authoritarian for sure :-) Authoritative? FN

au?thor?i?tar?i?an? ?[uh-thawr-i-tair-ee-uhn, uh-thor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to
individual freedom: authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.
2.
of or pertaining to a governmental or political system, principle, or
practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate
to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person
or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the
people.
3.
exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of
another or of others: an authoritarian parent.

On 6 September 2011 14:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.correia at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Stella leads the team it would give the British
> Goans ?heritage project an authoritarian stamp.
Carvalho
2011-09-06 22:32:40 UTC
Permalink
The lead academic researchers on this project are Clifford Pereira, Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society, UK and Dr. Margaret Frenz, Research Fellow of the University of Edinburgh.
?
I am the Project Manager and my responsibilities are largely administrative, a job I am amply qualified to do.
?
These?relentless attacks on a fellow-Goan are unwarranted and unbecoming. I have done nothing unethical or immoral to deserve them.
?
Best,
Selma
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