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European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
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Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
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European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
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On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

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Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
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I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
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CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
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1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
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Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


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Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
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Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
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Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
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Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On
Behalf Of Goanet News
Sent: 13 May 2006 09:01
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On
Behalf Of Goanet News
Sent: 13 May 2006 09:01
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
--
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On
Behalf Of Goanet News
Sent: 13 May 2006 09:01
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On
Behalf Of Goanet News
Sent: 13 May 2006 09:01
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.
Goanet News
2006-05-13 08:01:02 UTC
Permalink
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.

The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.

Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.

According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.

Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.

Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.

The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.

At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.

Explained Stanley Fernandes, a schoolteacher in Goa who researched to
bring out a booklet along with Matanhy Saldanha, a Goan legislator, on
Abbe Faria in 1976 in a bid to educate the public, "F Anton Mesmer from
Vienna had come to Paris in 1778 and expounded his doctrine of animal
magnetism, which was widely accepted,. But, the French Academy, which
appointed a commission while admitting to its success of the practice,
said it was due to imitation and imagination.

This was a severe blow to Mesmerism, which forced its decline and
neglect until Faria too it up".

"It is now Abbe Faria who is today acknowledged and acclaimed even by
eminent scientists like Betrand Bennheim, Brown Saquard, Crocq, Cills
de la Touette and others, to have proposed the theory and method of
hypnotism through suggestions to self and others", said Fernandes.

After Mesmer's unsuccessful attempt to establish hypnotism (or
magnetism), as a science, similar efforts were made in vain, but Faria's
theory differed from the rest, explained Fernandes. "Others held that a
`magnetic fluid' passed from the magnetizer to the subject. But Faria
contended that nothing comes from the magnetizer. Everything comes from
the subject and takes place in his imagination".

It was held by Mesmer, and even before Mesmer by the early Greeks, that
this type of magnetism was a gift of a few who were endowed with special
qualities. Faria disagreed with the theory and boldly developed his own
teaching, which said that suggestion could be passed by anyone to
anyone. He then demonstrated for the first time, the existence of
autosuggestion.

"Faria was the first to successfully give therapeutic suggestions to
subjects under hypnotism", said Fernandes, adding that writer Alexander
Dumas immortalized the priest in his classic The Count of Monte Cristo
as an imprisoned priest in the castle and one who knew of some secret
treasure in real life.

Only one volume of Faria's book saw the light of print in his
lifetime. Before the other two volumes were completed, Faria died of
apoplectic stroke, penniless and was buried in the cemetery of
Montmartre on 20 September 1819.

Last year, a US-based French translator Laurent Carre released the book
entitled Jose Custodio de Faria: Hypnotist, Priest and Revolutionary,
comprising works of Faria.
Gabe Menezes
2006-05-13 13:38:38 UTC
Permalink
On 13/05/06, Goanet News <goanetreader at gmail.com> wrote:

.....................

....................................
Post by Goanet News
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Comment: Our hats off to Dom for his dogged determination in getting
this project to its successful conclusion.

Dom a true son of the soil!
--
DIE DULCI FREURE,
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-13 14:26:15 UTC
Permalink
I wonder if Bosco de Sousa Eremita is in this forum. If he is not and if
someone knows him, please forward this email to him.

This is an excellent example of how a Goan news item can get easily
distorted.

It all seems to have started with a poorly written article from Paul
Fernandes (GT)
( http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/may/11may06.htm ) which claimed that
the - quote -
"World famous hypnotist, priest and revolutionary, Abbe Faria
will be the first Goan to be honoured by a member of the European
Union with a commemorative postcard on the occasion of his 250th birth
anniversary on May 31, 2006. This rare distinction is only the second
of its type accorded to any Goan after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary."
- end of quote -

Problems with the above quote:
1. Honoured by a member of the European Union? Which one of the 25?
2. Why was the name of the member omitted? Isn't the name of that European
country important??
3. Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted on
purpose?

Now another article from Bosco de Sousa Eremita claims that Abbe Faria is
going to be honoured by the European Union!!!!

So, from one "Member of the European Union" (which one????) it has now
become the whole of the European Union!!! This is truly amazing and quite
amusing too.

I wonder if these writers really know what the European Union is or do they
think that the European Union is the equivalent of the United States of
Europe? Well, maybe in the future but not quite yet!

The name of the country which is honouring Abade Faria is extremely
important. I think most people know which country it is but somehow, the
name as been omitted (WHY AM I NOT AT ALL SURPRISED WITH THIS
OMMISSION??????)

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias
-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On
Behalf Of Goanet News
Sent: 13 May 2006 09:01
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] European Union To Honour Goan Priest With
CommemorativePost Card
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
2006-05-14 02:56:32 UTC
Permalink
1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.

2. Abbe Faria (Jose Custodio de Faria) was not born in 1755 but in 1756. He
was not born in his father's village of Colvale but at his mother's
ancestral home in Candolim. And, contrary to what the reader may be inclined
to infer from Bosco Eremita's paragraph ?Faria was born ... to a priest and
a nun (parents separated after birth)?, the truth is that some years after
Jose Custodio's birth his parents decided - with the blessings of the
Church - to separate and, while the father took up priesthood, the mother
joined the Santa Monica Convent in Old Goa, of which she eventually became
the Prioress.

3. As Dom informed me, following a request made to him by a responsible
person from the Portuguese Postal Administration, he succeeded in obtaining
from Prof. Isabel Santa Rita Vaz and Mr. Cecil Pinto high resolution
photographs of the Abbe's monument in Panjim, and it is this monument that
will be featured on the commemorative postcard.

Jorge

----- Original Message -----
From: Goanet News
Post by Goanet News
European Union To Honour Goan Priest With Commemorative Post Card
By Bosco de Sousa Eremita
PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- The European Union is honouring a pioneering
Goan Catholic priest scientist on the occasion of his 250 birth
anniversary with a commemorative post card scheduled to be issued on 31
May, according to media reports here.
The priest Jose Custodio de Faria alias Abbe Faria (1755 -1819) is the
second Goan accorded the distinction after Portugal commemorated Blessed
Joseph Vaz with a postal stamp on the occasion of his 300th birth
anniversary Faria was a hypnotist, revolutionary, professor and
scientist. He participated in the French Revolution and in the first
revolt in India against any colonial power, after the Portuguese in Goa
(1510-1961) disallowed local priests from becoming bishops.
Faria was born on 31 May at Colvale, 15 kilometers north of the state
capital Panaji, to a priest and a nun (parents separated after birth),
but eventually ended becoming a priest himself.
According to the report, initially the commemorative stamp proposal
initiated by Dom Martins, a Goan artiste based in USA, was to honour the
priest with a commemorative stamp, but after the world-wide internet
petition signed by admirers of Fairia to the Stamp Advisory Committee
of one of the European Countries crossed the deadline for submission of
stamp proposals, the authorities assured to release a commemorative
postcard instead.
Ironically, a statue of Faria lies installed in the city's main
thoroughfare since 28 September 1945, but until last year following an
initative by some Faria fans not many citizens were aware of the
personality.
Faria put forth the theory of hypnotism and played a pivotal role in the
French Revolution.
The statue depicts Faria hypnotizing a woman lying at his feet,
evidently an effort by the sculptor at enacting the rage at Rua de
Clichy, France, when he started "hypnotic" classes in 1813, much sought
after by aristocratic women seeking new sensations to entertain
themselves.
At the classes, Abbe Faria carried out practical demonstrations on
audience, after explaining that hypnotic sleep did not depend on him
(the hypnotiser), an amazing departure from theories held at that
time.
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-14 08:29:02 UTC
Permalink
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.


-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at goanet.org [mailto:goanet-bounces at goanet.org] On Behalf
Of Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Sent: 14 May 2006 03:57
To: goanet at goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: European Union To Honour Goan Priest
WithCommemorativePost Card

1. What is the reason why anybody should feel shy to make publicly known on
this forum that the commemorative postcard to honour Abbe Faria is going to
be issued by Portugal (instead of attributing this gesture to the "European
Union")? There is not going to be a "European" postcard but a "Portuguese"
postcard. Dom Martin approached the postal administrations of three
countries directly associated with the Abbe: of Portugal, of France and of
India. The Portuguese Postal Administration was the only one, of the three,
to respond favourably, even though Dom's approach was made after the 2006
programme of postal issues had already been approved for execution. The
issue of the Abbe Faria commemorative postcard on the 31st of this month has
therefore to be taken as being made extra-programme and as a special gesture
to honour the great scientist who, during his lifetime, brought glory not
only to France where he developed and practiced his theory on hypnotism but
also to Portugal, the country of which he was a citizen, and to his native
land of Goa. - Dom is, I understand, hopeful that the Indian and French
Postal Administrations will give due consideration to his request (supported
by a number of signatures) in 2007.
--
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Bosco D'Mello
2006-05-15 03:55:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Was the name of the country unconsciously omitted or was it omitted
on purpose?
RESPONSE: If it was consciously omitted, it is wrong! I tried googling for any
info from the Portuguese Postal Authorities and came up with nothing.
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?

Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.

Best - Bosco
T-dot, CA
Paulo Colaco Dias
2006-05-15 09:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Hi Bosco,
Portugal has been a member of the European Union for 20 years now and
everyone in the European Union has the same rights and privileges throughout
the European Union, ie, the right to live and work anywhere in the 25
countries of the EU.

The UK has a culture of welcoming workers from the EU. Of course there are
the occasional negative connotations associated with other European
countries including Portugal. There is no doubt about it. But do you think
that by writing European Citizen they can get away with it? You cannot hide
who you are. You cannot pretend you are British. Sooner or later the
employer will know so what is the point of writing European Citizen?

The case of the Portuguese emigrants in the UK is completely different from
the case of the same in Canada. Here, any citizen from an EU member country
does not require a work permit and there are absolutely no restrictions of
stay. They can stay forever and have exactly the same rights and privileges
of those who are British citizens (except the right of vote for the UK
government).

I feel that the case of the illegal Portuguese emigrants in Canada received
an extra attention somehow because of the Portuguese media that made a huge
issue of it. For many days, those cases made the headlines in Portugal. They
would not talk of anything else in Portugal.

Best
Paulo.
Post by Bosco D'Mello
Post by Paulo Colaco Dias
Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead
of writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European
Citizen".
RESPONSE: Paulo, while job-hunting in the UK, are there any negative
connotations associated if one states one is of Portuguese citizenship? Is
it
possible these people are hiding the fact that they are not of British
citizenship rather than that they are Portuguese citizens?
Recently, there were a few high-profile deportation cases of illegal
residents
of Portuguese citizenship from Toronto. Although there are deportations on
a
weekly basis, I don't know why and how the Portuguese received the extra
attention. There is an ongoing case of a family of Costa Rican origin that
has
struck a raw cord among many citizens.
Bernado Colaco
2006-05-15 04:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Dom Martin did the spade work on the stamp issue, but it is shameful to note that he has not disclosed the country that issued the post card.

About opportunist and bad mouthing Goans there are plenty around me.

BC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorge, thanks for confirming the name of the country as Portugal.

The fact remains that some of our Goans still refuse to accept that good
things can come from Portugal too. If one Goan publicly writes a good thing
about Portugal, 20 other people will criticise him/her regardless of what
he/she has written is true or not.

I have come across several curriculum vitae from some Goans who have asked
me for advice on how to get a job here in the UK. Most of these Goans have
recently come from Goa as Portuguese citizens.

Usually, you write your citizenship in a cv/resume, right? Well, instead of
writing "Portuguese Citizen", these Goans often write "European Citizen". It
is almost like they want to hide their relation to Portugal - their own
country of citizenship! They are not aware of how ridiculous this situation
is at the eyes of a potential employer. Of course I do not save any words of
criticism to these shameful Goans! They are nothing else but opportunists.
Hopefully, employers pick up on these things and I know many do.

A person who hides his/her own citizenship cannot be trusted.

I would immediately bin a cv of a person who writes "European Citizen" as
citizenship. One has to be proud of the citizenship one holds regardless of
one's origin. Employers know extremely well which countries are in Europe
and which are part of the European Union. If one writes "European Citizen"
instead of writing his country of citizenship, that can only mean he/she is
hiding something. And a cv/resume needs to be as clear as possible.

Best regards
Paulo Colaco Dias
London UK.

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