...Hopefully this dialogue will educate the rest of
us, who may be misinformed if not ignorant of atheism
or religion. Hope this exchange will educate me and
others who may follow this thread..................
It is unlikely that you or I or anybody else will be
educated by idle banter on Goanet. The best you can
hope for is some comic relief. And I am talking about
genuine spontaneous humor ? not some silly disguised
posts containing fake smileys.
You surely find virtue in being a neurologist and a
No, I don?t find any virtue in being what I am, a
brain scientist. Nobody?s profession makes him/her
That does not make you smarter or superior than one
in another field of medicine.
But don?t you think mailing list historians striving
to revise history for righteous ideological reasons,
are superior in some way to professional historians?
But it does give you pride and an incentive to strive
to do an even better job, which is what "Belief" is
No. People believe in different real or imaginary
things for different real or imaginary reasons or for
no reason at all.
The chronic bebdo when he is sober is likely to >say,
"There is no God". That's because God(religion)
demands self-control and a moral value system.
Why don?t you conduct a survey of bebde to find out if
this is a sensible belief of yours or not? Please show
me your raw data on this. I have never met a bebdo who
said what you are saying. My old random survey
includes about 20 of them, all of whom were admitted
in a hospital for variable lengths of time for hepatic
The bebdo, and others like him, who do not want to
live the strict norms of their religion, may believe
in "no God" / atheist as a convenient rationale.
What is the religion of this bebdo? Does his religion
impose a moral ban on the consumption of alcohol?
There is no compelling reason to lead a moral life
if one does not believe in a moral "supreme being"
with no consequences during or after this life. Call
it "fear" that makes believers be good. Yet, if
that's what it takes, so be it.
But raw data indicates that people who do not believe
in a supreme being such as atheists, Buddhists, Jains,
agnostics, skeptics, etc, commit no more crimes, are
no more immoral, support no more illegal and immoral
wars, perform no more legal abortions, use no more
condoms and contraceptives, engage in no more marital
and extra-marital sexual relationships, support no
more tortures and executions, file no more divorces,
and become no more addicted to drugs and alcohol than
people who believe in one or more moral supreme
What is the moral force to influence or make a
non->believer live within the moral norms of their
The raw data indicates that it is the survival value
of innate goodness for each individual and for the
species as a whole. Rational morality is based on the
practical notion of the greatest good of the greatest
I say, with due respect, "You live in a la..la
You say all kinds of things without having any raw
data to back them. Who then is living in La La Land?
Even with / in spite of the moral force / religion,
there are bebdos, ani tea bair more bamtulos.:=))
How come our prisons are filled to over capacity?
Please answer your own question. How come?
Alcoholism is not the only intoxicating agent that
may lead one to be a non-believer. So are drugs,
power, wealth, knowledge, greed. And then there are
individuals who suffer from Delusional Grandeur -
pathological or pseudo intellectual.:=))
Do you have raw data to support these comical claims?
A sensible atheist like a sensible believer is one
who for a minimum lives the moral norms of society
they belong to. And perhaps tries to be even better.
Aren?t you contradicting your earlier assertion? You
told us earlier that there is no compelling reason to
be moral without believing in a moral supreme being.
So how come both atheists and believers now have to be
similarly sensible in order to lead a moral life?
Once again if there is no philosophy to life, there
is no guidance to rationalize one's thoughts
consistently. One ends with the situation, as an
example, "I believe in abortion but not in female
How about an immoral philosophy such as that of
Charles Manson, and rationalization of bad behavior?
And why is it good to have a large following?