Discussion:
Goan Intrigues and incarnation
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Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
goasuraj
2008-06-21 13:26:31 UTC
Permalink
Well said that, Pravin


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pravin Sabnis" <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan Intrigues and incarnation


Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.

I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.

To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture..............
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/
George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
Jason Keith Fernandes
2008-06-21 05:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Miguel wrote....
1. Manohar Parrikar cannot be an incarnation of Vishnu. He is an
"addvo Bamonn" affiliated to Partagal Mutt [not to be confused for
"Portugal"] and so is a Shiva worshipper
Miguel, Miguel...tsk tsk, such a lack of knowledge of our rich and glorious
ancient culture...

Do you know Rameshwar, where Rama, incarnation of Vishnu, worshiped Shiva on
the beach? Who knows the workings of the Divine? It is possible for Vishnu
to incarnate among the addvos, if only to prove once and for all, who is the
one true and omnipotent one of them all.

Though once again I am not so sure how one tests such a claim...Shiva has
not incarnated (at least not puranically) and the world has done just
fine...poor Vish has had to incarnate time after time and is apparently
still trying....the battle continues....

But I wouldnt go so far as to credit Manohar kaka with being a
vishnu-avaatar. For a long while, i thought him to be an incarnation of
Hitler...which he could still be, but I would see him more as an incarnation
of Dr. Antonio Oliveira Salazar (Tio Antonio)...no wonder the upper caste
catholics love him despite the damage he would do to them.

More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with
being the true incarnation of Hitler. While Manohar kaka has been smart
enough to avoid making silly statements that reveal his actual plans
(another reason why he should be seen as an incarnation of Dr. Salazar, who
was a professor at the world's best university, the University of Coimbra),
Rajan bab is different. He makes all these autochthonous, xenophobic and
genocidal statements. His responses the last few days, where he has
practically had spittle flying from his mouth as he rages, both virtually
and corporeally. This is more Hitler like ....

And seriously, this is exactly the route the Hitler adopted to get to
power....he charmed the German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)
and held the thugs at bay....once he became the hero (as our Rajan bab is
becoming with the Rape of Goa being used to show us what we can already see
anyways- are we blind?)..he let loose the dogs of war (remember the
homosexuals, Jews, communists, socialists, Catholics, artists and dissenters
who were murdered in the Holocaust)...

To return to the Vaishnava reference...both Krishna and Balarama were from
the same household...and incarnations of Vishnu...so ...??? But God does no
evil, so they must be incarnations of Kansa (of the killing of the
innocents fame, a la King Herod)

De profundis clamo ad te, domine, domine


-------------------------------------------------------
Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-06-21 10:05:18 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
.
.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
And seriously, this is exactly the route the
Hitler adopted to get to power....he charmed the
German elite (as Rajan Bab does the Catholic groups)..
Ha ha ha. The would-be "academic" finally goes cuckoo.
Allow me to cite Godwin's Law (do a Google search)
which states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler
approaches one."

I am delighted to be a data point to confirm Godwin.
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
Read my thoughts...
As soon as you have one, we will.


Warm regards,


r
Pravin Sabnis
2008-06-21 10:57:52 UTC
Permalink
Jason wrote: More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
?
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers. So there.
?
To many it can seem that Rajan's captions are excessive
but if you go out there on ground, the reality is sometimes worse
than what any camera can capture.

I do not appreciate his use of abuse
but so many of us, including me,
have done the same.
I have said this often in personal conversations
that the first time he used the word ghati
it was descriptive rather than derogatory.
But certain alert chaps pounced on him
and he began to repeat the word with greater intensity
maybe to spite his critics
and ended up looking exactly the opposite of what he is.
?
Trash the wrong that he may sometimes write.
But do not demonise the man who is giving it his all.
He is too transparent a man to mask his immediate emotion.
But in practice he is a sensitive music connoisseur.
Who has the guts to stand up to shin music.
I am ready to be blasted for an honest opinion,
But I know who I am talking about.
And calling Rajan, Hitler is no different
from calling Seby a Naxalite.
Cheers
Pravin



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George Pinto
2008-06-22 00:05:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Keith Fernandes
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who should be
credited with being the true incarnation of Hitler.
Dear Jason,

Rhetoric must be held in check, otherwise it becomes hyperbole and no one is served. I suspect you want to take the sentence above back.

To the statewide problem - Rajan's and JoeGoaUk's photos of a Goa devastated by the building and mining special interests should motivate us all to one goal - protect Goa from land abuses and the accompanying problems. If people allege that Rajan focuses on Congress builders, let someone pick up a camera and show us the devastation by who they feel are BJP builders. It is impossible to trust either party and, hence, non-politicians need to come together in unity and oppose the forces who threaten to overwhelm us. I am sure the building mafia smacks it lips in glee when it sees infighting among activists.

Unity and solidarity,
George
Mario Goveia
2008-06-23 16:31:02 UTC
Permalink
Jason Keith wrote:
More seriously, I think it is Rajan Parrikar who
should be credited with being the true incarnation of
Hitler.
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:27:52 +0530 (IST)
From: Pravin Sabnis <pravinsabnis at yahoo.com>
I think that is a totally unfair comment on Rajan.
Hitler did not go around photographing the destruction
that lay behind in the gas chambers.
Mario observes:
Pravin,
"Unfair"??? Calling someone who is doing what Rajan
does a reincarnation of Hitler is "unfair"? I think
you need to expand your vocabulary, man.
Calling Robert Mugabe a reincarnation of Hitler may be
"unfair", unless one has no clue about what Hitler did
and what Mugabe has done on a much smaller scale.
But Rajan Parrikar?
To begin with, I don't know either person except by
their thoughts and writings on Goanet.
I first became aware of Jason when Vidhyadhar Gadgil
posted his article called "The Rape of Goa - as a tool
to save Goa?" in the Gomantak Times of June 18.
As I said in response, the conclusions of the article
made no sense to me, with all due respect and I said
why in some detail.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/075928.html
Now Jason has gone from utter nonsense to utter
irresponsibility in calling Rajan Parrikar a
reincarnation of Hitler. And, to make this puerile
piece of name-calling even more asinine, he prefaces
it with "More seriously, I think...".
Jason, were you really "seriously thinking" when you
wrote this? I would apologize if I were you and wrote
this in the heat of the moment.
This is a popular canard among writers who have run
out of facts and logic in a debate - start demonizing
the other person by reincarnating the image of one of
the most vicious homicidal megalomaniacs in history.
This is nothing but a fatuous attempt to silence him
and others who may be concerned about being called
similar names.
I have both praised Rajan for spending his own time
and money to expose the blight that is consuming Goa
and critiqued him for his suggestions in an article in
the Goan media because his solutions made no sense to
me.
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073513.html
Hey, if Rajan has abused you, by all means abuse him
back if you are clever enough to slide it past the
eagle-eyed moderators, as he did, and it makes you
feel like a chest-thumping cyber-warrior. Selma, Ana
Marie, Reena, Jane Gillian, et. al. are excused from
the chest-thumping for obvious reasons:-)) Better
yet, use your brain to critique his logic, or lack
thereof, so that it adds to the public debate.
But to call someone a reincarnation of Hitler shows
that you either have no clue what you are talking
about or have completely run out of intelligent things
to say.
Furthermore, for Manohar Parrikar to call Seby a
Naxalite is just as vile an obnoxious, unless Seby has
been seen running around bombing, shooting and killing
innocent people in order to get his way.
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