Discussion:
Goan ... or Go On.....Identity...Or I Deity
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Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
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Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
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Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
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On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
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On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-11 17:56:50 UTC
Permalink
On 11/04/2008, marshallmendonza at indiatimes.com
Post by marshallmendonza
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) ,
thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the
Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities
being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu
is the ultimate disadvantage.
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).

Catholic "upper" castes would also like to believe they are
discriminated against, I guess, because the stranglehold of the
once-feudal structure of Goa is s-l-o-w-l-y withering away.
Post by marshallmendonza
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this
comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to
substantiate his statement but so far there has been no
response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am
beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist
since the language used is the standard phrase used by
them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again
to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and
elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a
Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP
does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?
"Appeasement" is an interesting term, brought in by Hindutva to
justify the exclusion of those whom it considers not to be part of its
alliance of majoritism.

Yahoo, among other meanings, describes the term thus: "The policy of
granting concessions to potential enemies to maintain peace"

Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?

Dr Anand, do you think it's right to use a term used for the Munich
Pact of 1938 (negotiated between Neville Chamberlain and Nazi
Germany's Adolf Hitler. Chamberlain, the prime minister of Britain,
allowed Hitler to annex part of Czechoslovakia to Germany) to describe
the treatment of minorities in India?

I won't claim that Christians are an exploited minority. Many in Goa
are indeed not (though the tribals facing the saffron fire in other
parts could well be). But what about the 120 million Muslim minority,
whose indices are far below than that of the average Indian? You need
to be blind not to see this... and to term it appeasement! Subsidies
for the Haj fares don't help the average Muslim to get access to
badly-needed education, health-care and social services; if anything,
it helps keep Air-India afloat! (There are also subsidies for
Manasarovar, but that doesn't amount of "appeasement", of course!)
Even Goa's "uniform" family code allows for express discrimination on
basis of religion and caste ... but such issues conveniently never get
raised!

FN
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
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To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
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Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
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Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
2008-04-12 16:51:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
No. They're just racially superior and better-evolved human beings! Like you ...

Or maybe something to do with the discrimination that the "upper"
castes are facing in today's Goa. What worse than getting some brainy
individual caught up in some bureaucratic job ad infinitum?
Post by Rajan P. Parrikar
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.
As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)

OPENQUOTE:

A recurrent theme in belief systems is the identification of hostile
forces which plot against the nation and which are responsible for the
"disruptive" strains in the country. These forces are often identified
with particular social groups, who are usually defined as different,
united and powerful. RSS writers identify two general types of
potentially "disruptive" forces in contemporary Indian society: (1)
Muslims and Christians who propagate values that might result in the
denationalization of their adherents, and (2) the "Westernized" elite
who propose capitalism, socialism, or communism as solutions for
Indian development."

"Christians consider themsevles a community, and it is this community
orientation -- and not the dogma itself -- that is considered a
possible impediment to their identification with the larger nation.
RSS writers allege that Christian values have tended to distance
Christians culturally from the national mainstream in some parts of
the country. From this proposition, a subproposition is deduced:
because some Christians do not consider themselves culturally Indian,
they do not experience a sense of community with other Indians. One
could phrase the proposition in the more esoteric terms of the belief
system: because Christians are culturally different, they have
separated themselves from the 'national soul.'" ....

"The case against Islam is stated in similar terms; however, Islam is
viewed as a more serious problem because of the size of the Muslim
community, the recent history of communal animosity between Hindus and
Muslims, and the existence of Muslim states in the subcontient...."

CLOSEQUOTE

Source: 'The Brotherhood of Saffron: The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
and Hindu Revivalism' by Walter K Andersen and Shridhar D Damle,
Vistaar Publications, New Delhi 1987. p 72 onwards
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org
Satyawan Govekar
2008-04-10 07:59:11 UTC
Permalink
Anand bab wrote:
Discrimination based on caste is another.That is evil. I will never , ever , support of defend any person who discriminates based on caste....whichever religion they come from. They are pure scum. And I don't care if the biggest culprits may be from my own caste. I label them as scum as well. And the same label can be applied to religious leaders , however important , who discriminate among devotees based on caste.


Very well said, Anand bab. The world requires more people like you. It is very bad that educated people are still looking down at other people because of caste. We are living in modern times and we must stop treating people as if they are not human beings.

I wrote in the morning that many Saraswats are good people. But a few casteist are spoiling the name of the whole community. But people like you are doing good work.

Dev borem korun
marshallmendonza
2008-04-11 13:37:51 UTC
Permalink
Dr Anand wrote:
I can say from personal experience that in todays Goa ( and India ) , thanks to the minority appeasement / vote bank policies of the Congress and the reservation schemes for certain communities , being born a Hindu is bad enough ... being born a Brahmin Hindu is the ultimate disadvantage.
Comment: This is the second or third time I am reading this comment by Dr Anand. Once before, I requested him to substantiate his statement but so far there has been no response but a reiteration of the same statement. I am beginning to wonder whether he is a closet hindutvadist since the language used is the standard phrase used by them in all their propaganda. I challenge him once again to list all the 'minority appeasement' actions in Goa and elsewhere in India and also the disadvantages that a Hindu faces. Further can he deny that the BJP does not believe in or practice vote bank politics?

Regards,

Marshall Mendonza
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-12 04:39:30 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
True. Check the list of heads of Goa government departments and you'll
know the facts, for instance! See who controls, as my sociologist
friend put it, the minds and wealth of Goa through the most impressive
places of worship (of both larger religions) and the mines (a changing
reality now though).
I see. It must be a Brahmin conspiracy. Clever and
devious chaps, those Brahmins. Just like those Jews
who control the American financial system and who
pilot American govt policy remotely on every matter
under the sun.
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Enemies indeed! That's what Macaulayites, Marxists, Muslims and
minorities deserve to be seen as, isn't it?
No. The ignorant, deracinated Macaulayites are
deserving of pity not enmity. The Marxist are
enemies of civilization and are to be despised,
abused and kicked at every available opportunity.

As for your inclusion of Muslims in the list of
betes noires - nice try, mate. When are you going
to have an original thought?

Warm regards,


r
Rajan P. Parrikar
2008-04-13 06:14:39 UTC
Permalink
To Goanet -
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
With all your Don Bosco and GEC (not to speak of US-based)
English-language education, r, I'm sorry to say, you are as
Macaulayite as they come! Like me too :-)
But all those English-language credentials
pale before you, the master of cut & paste,
O Frederico!

I asked you for an original thought. But
see how you demolished me by hurling
a second-hand quote about the RSS! A
lesser master of the c & p would have at
least gone the extra yard to the original
source, but not you. You grab the first
entry Google throws up to c&p. Upon
your wizardly with digital scissor and
glue, no human hand can improve.

Warm regards,


r
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-13 15:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:

"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be despised, abused and kicked at every available opportunity."



Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly.
I think they will do a good job of controlling the corruption that both major parties embrace.
Mervyn3.0





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Mario Goveia
2008-04-14 13:08:18 UTC
Permalink
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
"The Marxist are enemies of civilization and are to be
despised, abused and kicked at every available
opportunity."
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Rajan,
Goa is ripe for some Marxist in its assembly. I think
they will do a good job of controlling the corruption
that both major parties embrace.
Mario asks:
Mervyn,
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in
Goa.
What's wrong with an anti-SEZ-type movement in Goa to
install better zoning laws so that everyone can
benefit?
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-04-15 02:39:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mario Goveia
Is this the same kind of "good job" the few remaining
Marxists in power in N. Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe and
Venezuela are doing for their people? Or is it the
kind of "good job" they once did in the old Soviet
Union and China? I didn't realize there were any such
brilliant administrators and saviors of humanity in Goa.
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members of the nuclear club.
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the poor in the USA.
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the budget deficits of the US.


Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)


Mervyn3.0
"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society."
- Karl Marx -




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Mario Goveia
2008-04-18 14:09:11 UTC
Permalink
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
In the last few years;
1) N. Korea has become one of the handful of members
of the nuclear club.
Mario responds:
Yet, it cannot feed its own people without handouts
from other countries.
Mervyn writes:
2) Venezuela has been providing subsidized oil for the
poor in the USA.
Mario responds:
In spite of all their God given oil, the poverty rate
in Venezuela is 60%.
Mervyn wrote:
3) China has been buying treasury bills to finance the
budget deficits of the US.
Mario responds:
You make it sound like China has some Marxist money
tree with which it buys US Treasury Bills:-)) The
fact is that China's economy is being propped up by
imports by the USA. Every country that has a trade
surplus with the USA has little choice but to hold
these surpluses in US Treasury Bills in the short run.
Mervyn wrote:
Given the above record, as a Goan, I am waiting for
the Goan Marxists to revolutionize Goa too :-)
Mario responds:
When the above record is put in proper context, you
may be waiting until the proverbial cows come home:-))
Mario.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
2008-04-19 02:08:24 UTC
Permalink
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072264.html

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072428.html


Mervyn / Mario,

Pray tell us what do the above two posts (from the two) have to do with the
subject line??

Is there anything else other than wanting to have the last word??

Are you going to respect the priveleges afforded to you to post here or
would you like an extreme step taken by Goanet Admin??

If you choose to respond to me, you better have something intelligent to say
or else I will take one of several extreme steps.

- Bosco
Goanet Admin
http://www.goanet.org

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