Discussion:
Fishermen, traditional and otherwise
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Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


__________________________________________________________________
Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 01:48:42 UTC
Permalink
I love it when Marxism wants to speak for and protect
the small poor traditional guy. Marxist ideology is
the result of misguided elitist intellectuals. All
that the little guy wants is a chance to compete in a
free and equitable market.
?
?
?
Selma,
For?the little guy?to get?a fair price for his produce,?he has to?become a member of a co-operative, thus becoming a socialist/marxist.?If the consumer wants to buy the produce at?fair prices, s/he has to?go to a trader. The consumer?also has to be?convinced that the capitalist?trader will provide him produce at fair prices even though capitalism?depends on the concept of?"buy low,?sell high."?
?
?

As far as misguided elitist intellectuals are concerned, I think all the?countries that you have lived in?are the epitome of "misguided elitist intellectuals." India?thinks that it can only be governed by the Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the Sheiks and the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?When are you going to live in a socialist country like Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the mother of every child???The bonus of the Canadian socialist?method is that?we?can (and do) kick out elected public officials as soon as they stop performing. They are not elected again, so?bye bye?elitist :-) Contrast this method to?that of keeping on an elitist?leader just?because he has the worst ratings ever of any US President.
?
?
?
?
Mario is talking through his hat about the ideological basis of the opposition to housing mega-projects
... and the infection seems to be catching on.
?
?
?
I agree.
I have always admired Mario for being the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting value?from a debate.
Looks like?his position is now being challenged!
?
?
Mervyn3.0
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an extension of the realm of the alien powers to which man is subjected, and every new product represents a new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual plundering."
- Marx -


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Carvalho
2008-05-21 07:49:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
socialist country like Canada where?residents
enjoy?concepts such?as?free education, free health
services and a?regular?cheque from the Govt?to the
mother of every child???
-----------------------------------

Now you tell me this? :-)

Now, I've thrown in my lot with the London Goans and
have taken to defending them. Notice, how I no longer
defend Gilbert and Mario. What do they call that?
misguided intellectual opportunists? :-)

Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
JOHN MONTEIRO
2008-05-21 09:08:14 UTC
Permalink
You are welcome to "La Kaz Bourganvilla" at Albion, on the west coast of Mauritius anytime (as soon as we have completed the project, sorry, it wont be at least another 2 / 3 years).

More info to all Goanetters who fancy a change of scenery when we are ready.

Special discounts on our (Indo-Mauritian style en-suite rooms)

with Indo-Mauritian Food / trips out / lazy days in / Music & Dance nights..........

yep you can have it all, Konkani music & song too (bring some CD's & DVD's of your favourites).

You can experience the Maurtian Rums, even the Goan Feni, but no Portuguese Fado! Sorry I draw a line there..........


John Monteiro
------------------------------------------------

...........................Doc, I feel a holiday to Mauritius coming up :-)

take care,
selma
---------------------------------------------
Mario Goveia
2008-05-21 17:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
India?thinks that it can only be governed by the
Brahims (spelling?), the Gulf countries only by the
Sheiks the USA only by the George Bush dynasty.?
I agree. I have always admired Mario for being
the?sole person on Goanet?capable of?subtracting
value?from a debate.
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters with some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves who is subtracting
value from this and other debates with such uninformed
comments.
Mervyn writes:
When are you going to live in a socialist country like
Canada where?residents enjoy?concepts such?as?free
education, free health services and a?regular?cheque
from the Govt?to the mother of every child???
Mario observes:
I will leave it up to Goanetters who have some common
sense and knowledge of the world to read the comments
above and decide for themselves whether all these
services are FREE or paid by confiscatory taxes, and
ask themselves why there is a clamor for private
health insurance to cover private health care in
Canada, when we are being told they receive FREE
health services.
Mervyn quotes Marx:
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need. The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling and mutual
plundering."
Mario observes:
False. Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Because it caused untold misery and economic chaos
wherever it was actually tried Marxism has been
rejected by its strongest previous proponents, China
and Russia, and is now only to be found in oppressive,
economic basket cases like N. Korea, Cuba and
Zimbabwe, none of which can even feed their own
populations.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Mervyn Lobo
2008-05-21 22:05:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mervyn Lobo
"Under private property ... Each tries to establish
over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find
satisfaction of his own selfish need.? The increase in
the quantity of objects is therefore accompanied by an
extension of the realm of the alien powers to which
man is subjected, and every new product represents a
new potentiality of mutual swindling? and mutual
plundering."
?
False.? Under private property rights, people are FREE
to buy or sell or keep their property or any other
products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
?
?
?
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
?
?
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and decided that a Goan cannot sell his property to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to pay the most for?Goan property.
?
?
Secondly, the current financial crises in the US was caused by financial institutions giving people?who?would never?qualify,?the money to buy property. These people,?now with?unaffordable mortgages,?find themselves in the position?where they cannot sell their property as their equity in the property has evaporated.?The financial institutions and US govt?are now imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was coerced to buy the property suddenly find themselves?unable to keep their family home.

??
Returning to the fisherman in Goa,?whether or not he is aware of it,?the US?financial/housing crises affects?what price he can get for his seafood. The Britishers and all others?with?a strong currency come over to Goa?and pay what they feel like for seafood.?The people who earn in US dollars suddenly find?seafood beyond their affordability. The people who are worst hit are those who have contracts to sell seafood in US dollars.
?
?
There is a lot of money to be made if one understands basic Marxism. Those that don't are the very people?that?recently bought property at high values.?Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized, non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in the US rust belt.
?
Mervyn3.0
"You know, when you give a man more money in his pocket -- in this case, a woman more money in her pocket to expand a business, it -- they build new buildings. And when somebody builds a new building somebody has got to come and build the building. And when the building expanded it prevented additional opportunities for people to work."
?--George W. Bush, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007--


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Mario Goveia
2008-05-23 14:17:29 UTC
Permalink
False.? Under private property rights, people are
FREE to buy or sell or keep their property or any
other products as they wish, without interference or
coercion by an oppressive government.
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:05:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
Mario,
Sadly, you are nowhere near reality.
Mario responds:
Sadly, false again, as anyone familiar with the US and
other free democracies would know. Even the debate in
Goa proves that private individuals are buying and
selling private property as it suits them, without any
interference by Karl's Marxists.
Mervyn wrote:
Maybe you have not understood that in Goa, the
opposition BJP?(forget the?Govt)?is interfering with
the freedom to buy and sell?agricultural produce. The
Govt of Goa?has taken this concept a step further and
decided that a Goan cannot sell his property
to?foreigners?i.e. those who are currently?willing to
pay the most for?Goan property.
Mario responds:
Perhaps you have not understood that what the
opposition BJP is interfering with is hardly the
issue. The fact is that Goans are selling what they
own to whomever they want to. Foreigners do not have
the same rights as local citizens in most countries.
That has little to do with what Indians can and cannot
do within India, with rare exceptions for national
security, eminent domain and the rules in autonomous
states like J&K.
Mervyn wrote:
The financial institutions and US govt?are now
imposing?Marx's?"extension of the realm of the alien
powers" to regulate the number of?bankruptcies in the
financial institutions. Sadly, the family that was
coerced to buy the property suddenly find
themselves?unable to keep their family home.
Mario responds:
This is a gross distortion of the facts.
Over 96% of mortgages in the US are being successfully
paid off as expected.
For the small percentage of mortgages that are having
problems no one was coerced into buying anything.
They used ill-conceived economic assumptions that
failed to materialize.
Because we are not a Marxist society those who make
ill-conceived financial decisions are required to pay
a price. They will not make the same mistake again.
The financial institutions and their stockholders who
were at fault have paid a heavy price as they should
in a capitalist society. Many have not survived.
Mervyn wrote:
Finally, I hope your recent, highly publicized,
non-Monopoly, real estate ventures are not located in
the US rust belt.
Mario responds:
As anyone familiar with the US would know, the
economic condition of the so-called US rust belt
is far better than any country that has tried Marxism.
Even the poor in the so-called US rustbelt live a
better quality of life than most middle-income
Europeans.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An
anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." -
paraphrasing Ronald Reagan.
Carvalho
2008-05-27 10:33:26 UTC
Permalink
Sorry Marshall, I have inadvertently deleted the mail
where you raised this issue. In anycase if I have to
tender an apology to a fine man like Marshall Mendoza,
then certainly an apology shall be forthcoming from
me.

I did not mean to imply that Charismatics are militant
and if it came across as that I apologise. I only
meant that their irrational beliefs are detrimental to
the progress of society. In that respect, I meant they
mirror other fundamental ideologues and ideologies.

take care,
selma

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