Discussion:
London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual Narratives
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Vivian A. DSouza
2013-06-11 11:23:56 UTC
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Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.? Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job !
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 18:19:11 UTC
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Thank you Vivian but the Exhibition was entirely Selma's creation. I did
assist with some aspects of the reception but my preoccupation with Goan
Voice meant that I was not able to pull my weight.

There is to be a book about the Project which I know will be a trailblazer.
I really must get started preparing for the launch of that ...

Eddie Fernandes

-------------------------------------


Vivian A. DSouza
Tue Jun 11 04:23:56 PDT 2013
________________________________________
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support
rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the
exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant
in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost
forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us
all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to
the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African
countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.?
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese
invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult
mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented
those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job
!
________________________________________
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 20:53:12 UTC
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Post by Vivian A. DSouza
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers
to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East
African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar. While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration. The advancing
Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over
difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has
documented those experiences.
Dear Viv,

In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories,
old and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making. Only the other day
we were told about a Goan having skippered a rescue ship that made the
difference when "Hemingway was almost fatally injured".

See http://bit.ly/11UknvL and
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/gvuk_files/Hemmingway.pdf

On the other hand, because we might not be aware of some of the earlier
resources does not mean these do not exist. To give some examples:

* Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's *Songs of the Survivors* tells the stories of Goans
in Burma, specially of how they coped with the 1942 Japanese bombing of the
then British colony. The book was published in 2007 and is now almost out
of print. It is available in the main libraries in Goa and probably
elsewhere though.

* Dr Teresa Albuquerque, the Bombay/Mumbai-based historian, has written on
the *Goans of Kenya* in 1999. See http://bit.ly/GoansOfKenya She has also
done a more recent work titled *Goan Pioneers in Bombay*

* The Ben Antao-edited *Goa Masala*, published in Canada and Goa, has
reminiscences by "Africander (as we called them) Goans".

* Braz Menezes' *Just Matata* and *More Matata* touches the subject, in the
shape of a novel. Peter Nazareth's *The General Is Up* gives you glimpses
of Goan life in Africa ("Dambia" or Uganda?), though again in fictional
dressing.

* Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes' study of Catholic migration, from the
1980s, has also been published. Its focus includes the migrant-sending
villages (primarily Moira in this case, though called Amora for the purpose
of the study) and also the networks that expats have built up among
themselves.

* Goanetters Tony de Sa and Reena Martins have been working on the diaspora
in Africa and Bombay, respectively, written with more of a journalistic
perspective.

* Alan Machado Prabhu has handled the much-overlooked exodus of Goans to
Mangalore (which included a large number of Catholics), as history in his
book *Sarasvati's Children* and as fiction in his *Shades Within Shadows*.

* Goans in the Kudds of Bombay has been studied by researchers like Olga
Valladares way back in 1958.

* Kaun Banenge Crorepati one-time cameraman Ajay Noronha recently came out
with a film on his family, which in a way is also a wider story of the
Goans in Nagpur. Other books and works cover smaller time frames or
particular individuals, but these too give an insight into the Goan lives
in diverse parts of the planet. We have autobiographies and biographies of
Pio Gama Pinto, J.M.Nazareth, Aquino de Braganca, and it would be nice to
see the work of former Kenyan deputy speaker Fitz de Souza. J. Clement Vas'
*Eminent Goans* is a very useful compilation.

* JB Pinto of Saligao did a study of Goan migration in the early 1960s,
while for the Portuguese speakers and readers, Pedro Joaquim Peregrino da
Costa wrote *A expansao do Goes pelo mundo* in 1956.

* Lambert Mascarenhas' *Goa Today* (as Melvyn of the Melvyn+Rose fame would
tell you) has played a key role in linking the expat community from the
1960s. Sites like GoaCom.com (in the Anglophone world), Goa-World.net
(particularly in the Gulf) and SuperGoa (in the Lusophone Goan world) have
also played the linkers' role.

And even while we discuss this, I understand that Dr. Satyanarayana Adapa
is no longer in the Chair of Diaspora Studies at Goa University, which he
had taken over only a few months ago. Please correct me if wrong on this. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 21:14:53 UTC
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Frederick,
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<

London: Blast from the past

12 June 2013: Times of India. By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. The Goan East
African safari of the past century is coming alive in London these days. The
city's Nehru Centre has stepped back into history and is exhibiting some
genuine Goan gems from Africa unearthed by the Goan Association (UK), that
is working on a project to record stories of Goans who lived in East Africa
.
Carvalho summed up, "The story of our intrepid journey to East Africa will
continue to fascinate us for generations to come. It is a story of courage,
enterprise, romance and perseverance, but more importantly it is emblematic
of our collective identity. It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is
the beginning of a long dialogue and becomes the nucleus of a permanent
exhibition housed in a Goa museum."

Full text, 904 words, at http://bit.ly/109WWEA



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha
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In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories, old
and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making.
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 22:54:12 UTC
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Post by Eddie Fernandes
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<
The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 07:01:56 UTC
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Frederick,



We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Thanks Eddie





From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 11 June 2013 23:54
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<


The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN



FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-12 09:38:41 UTC
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Post by Eddie Fernandes
We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?
Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J
Clement Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to
forget the Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).

FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 19:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?



Your response to Selma's vision, quote
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<



Was:

"The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please"



When challenged you claim:

"My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."



Both Vivian & Selma were referring to Visual Narratives. The Subject line
clearly reads, "London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives"



It would be prudent if you read the subject line before shooting from the
hip and are you withdrawing your comment about Selma's vision?



A very confused Eddie



From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 12 June 2013 10:39
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives



On 12 June 2013 12:31, Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:

We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J Clement
Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to forget the
Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).



FN




FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2013-06-12 20:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote: re: EXHIBITIONS
dedicated to overseas Goans and Selma's vision.


Dear Eddie and Selma,

Please allow me to Congratulate you both (sure Selma specially) for
undertaking this task and 'making it happen'.

Have not paid much attention to it - until recently. From what I have
heard (and read) about it, I commend Selma for having stuck to the
task and Eddie for having provided the assistance and guidance (no
doubt).

May this project grow and grow....and grow ever so beautifully.

Once again, well done and keep up the good work.

best to you and your respective families

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2013-06-12 20:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote: re: EXHIBITIONS
dedicated to overseas Goans and Selma's vision.


Dear Eddie and Selma,

Please allow me to Congratulate you both (sure Selma specially) for
undertaking this task and 'making it happen'.

Have not paid much attention to it - until recently. From what I have
heard (and read) about it, I commend Selma for having stuck to the
task and Eddie for having provided the assistance and guidance (no
doubt).

May this project grow and grow....and grow ever so beautifully.

Once again, well done and keep up the good work.

best to you and your respective families

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2013-06-12 20:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote: re: EXHIBITIONS
dedicated to overseas Goans and Selma's vision.


Dear Eddie and Selma,

Please allow me to Congratulate you both (sure Selma specially) for
undertaking this task and 'making it happen'.

Have not paid much attention to it - until recently. From what I have
heard (and read) about it, I commend Selma for having stuck to the
task and Eddie for having provided the assistance and guidance (no
doubt).

May this project grow and grow....and grow ever so beautifully.

Once again, well done and keep up the good work.

best to you and your respective families

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2013-06-12 20:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote: re: EXHIBITIONS
dedicated to overseas Goans and Selma's vision.


Dear Eddie and Selma,

Please allow me to Congratulate you both (sure Selma specially) for
undertaking this task and 'making it happen'.

Have not paid much attention to it - until recently. From what I have
heard (and read) about it, I commend Selma for having stuck to the
task and Eddie for having provided the assistance and guidance (no
doubt).

May this project grow and grow....and grow ever so beautifully.

Once again, well done and keep up the good work.

best to you and your respective families

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2013-06-12 20:15:25 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote: re: EXHIBITIONS
dedicated to overseas Goans and Selma's vision.


Dear Eddie and Selma,

Please allow me to Congratulate you both (sure Selma specially) for
undertaking this task and 'making it happen'.

Have not paid much attention to it - until recently. From what I have
heard (and read) about it, I commend Selma for having stuck to the
task and Eddie for having provided the assistance and guidance (no
doubt).

May this project grow and grow....and grow ever so beautifully.

Once again, well done and keep up the good work.

best to you and your respective families

jc
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 19:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?



Your response to Selma's vision, quote
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<



Was:

"The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please"



When challenged you claim:

"My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."



Both Vivian & Selma were referring to Visual Narratives. The Subject line
clearly reads, "London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives"



It would be prudent if you read the subject line before shooting from the
hip and are you withdrawing your comment about Selma's vision?



A very confused Eddie



From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 12 June 2013 10:39
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives



On 12 June 2013 12:31, Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:

We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J Clement
Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to forget the
Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).



FN




FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 19:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?



Your response to Selma's vision, quote
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<



Was:

"The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please"



When challenged you claim:

"My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."



Both Vivian & Selma were referring to Visual Narratives. The Subject line
clearly reads, "London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives"



It would be prudent if you read the subject line before shooting from the
hip and are you withdrawing your comment about Selma's vision?



A very confused Eddie



From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 12 June 2013 10:39
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives



On 12 June 2013 12:31, Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:

We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J Clement
Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to forget the
Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).



FN




FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 19:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?



Your response to Selma's vision, quote
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<



Was:

"The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please"



When challenged you claim:

"My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."



Both Vivian & Selma were referring to Visual Narratives. The Subject line
clearly reads, "London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives"



It would be prudent if you read the subject line before shooting from the
hip and are you withdrawing your comment about Selma's vision?



A very confused Eddie



From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 12 June 2013 10:39
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives



On 12 June 2013 12:31, Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:

We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J Clement
Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to forget the
Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).



FN




FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 19:10:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?



Your response to Selma's vision, quote
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<



Was:

"The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please"



When challenged you claim:

"My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."



Both Vivian & Selma were referring to Visual Narratives. The Subject line
clearly reads, "London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives"



It would be prudent if you read the subject line before shooting from the
hip and are you withdrawing your comment about Selma's vision?



A very confused Eddie



From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 12 June 2013 10:39
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives



On 12 June 2013 12:31, Eddie Fernandes <eddie.fernandes at gmail.com> wrote:

We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J Clement
Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to forget the
Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).



FN




FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-12 09:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?
Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J
Clement Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to
forget the Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).

FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-12 09:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?
Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J
Clement Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to
forget the Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).

FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-12 09:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?
Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J
Clement Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to
forget the Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).

FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-12 09:38:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?
Hi Eddie, this is not about Goa,1556 (a tiny drop in the ocean) or me (even
more tiny). It *is* about the many people whose work predates all of us.

Anyway, let me not split hairs about this first exhibition. But please let
us give credit where credit is due.

My comment was specifically in response to Viv's: "I don't know if anyone
has documented those experiences."

To which I responded by pointing to, among others, the Lambert
Mascarenhases, the the GoaComs and GoaWorlds and SuperGoas, the JB Pintos,
the Peregrino da Costas, the Ajay Noronhas, the JM Nazareths, the J
Clement Vases, the Olga Valadareses, the Teresa Albuquerques. Not to
forget the Soares Rebelos (hope I got this name right).

FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 07:01:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,



We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Thanks Eddie





From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 11 June 2013 23:54
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<


The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN



FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 07:01:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,



We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Thanks Eddie





From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 11 June 2013 23:54
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<


The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN



FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 07:01:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,



We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Thanks Eddie





From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 11 June 2013 23:54
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<


The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN



FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-12 07:01:56 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,



We are in awe of your Goa 1556 enterprise and understand your pride in
reeling off some of the titles. But we are talking EXHIBITIONS here - Can
you tell me of any earlier one dedicated to overseas Goans, please?



Thanks Eddie





From: fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com [mailto:fredericknoronha1 at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
Sent: 11 June 2013 23:54
To: Eddie Fernandes; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Subject: Re: [Goanet] London..Journeys of migratory Goans through Visual
Narratives
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<


The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN



FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 <mailto:fn at goa-india.org>
fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 22:54:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<
The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 22:54:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<
The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 22:54:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<
The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 22:54:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Eddie Fernandes
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<
The beginning? It has been going on for a long time, from the 1960s or even
the 1940s. Let's give credit also where credit is due please... FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Cecil Pinto
2013-06-13 03:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes wrote to Frederick Noronha:

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?

-------------



Firstly...

Eddie, Selma and whoever else was involved, congratulations on what
appears to be a really fantastic and path-breaking exhibition.

That aside I find this nit-picking on whether or not it is the first
exhibition/collection a little tiresome.

I remember some years back the raging debates about whether or not
Rene Baretto thought up the concept, and coined the term Goa Day.
Kuwait-Goans, Qatar-Goans, even the Sanvordem Parish Youth Association
(if I'm not mistaken), claimed credit. But Rene persevered with his
contention and eventually crowned himself the Father of Goa Day.

Similarly Herman Carneiro is the Father of GoaNet.

Who originated something? Who sustained it? Who popularised it? All
are important.

Incidentally Expressions was the first (and till date only) flower
delivery service provider in the world since 2001 to offer digital
photographs of receivers with the flowers.
http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/faq.htm#22. What?s this about
photographs

Cheers!

Cecil
=========
Vivian A. DSouza
2013-06-11 11:23:56 UTC
Permalink
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.? Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job !
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 18:19:11 UTC
Permalink
Thank you Vivian but the Exhibition was entirely Selma's creation. I did
assist with some aspects of the reception but my preoccupation with Goan
Voice meant that I was not able to pull my weight.

There is to be a book about the Project which I know will be a trailblazer.
I really must get started preparing for the launch of that ...

Eddie Fernandes

-------------------------------------


Vivian A. DSouza
Tue Jun 11 04:23:56 PDT 2013
________________________________________
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support
rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the
exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant
in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost
forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us
all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to
the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African
countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.?
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese
invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult
mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented
those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job
!
________________________________________
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 20:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vivian A. DSouza
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers
to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East
African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar. While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration. The advancing
Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over
difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has
documented those experiences.
Dear Viv,

In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories,
old and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making. Only the other day
we were told about a Goan having skippered a rescue ship that made the
difference when "Hemingway was almost fatally injured".

See http://bit.ly/11UknvL and
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/gvuk_files/Hemmingway.pdf

On the other hand, because we might not be aware of some of the earlier
resources does not mean these do not exist. To give some examples:

* Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's *Songs of the Survivors* tells the stories of Goans
in Burma, specially of how they coped with the 1942 Japanese bombing of the
then British colony. The book was published in 2007 and is now almost out
of print. It is available in the main libraries in Goa and probably
elsewhere though.

* Dr Teresa Albuquerque, the Bombay/Mumbai-based historian, has written on
the *Goans of Kenya* in 1999. See http://bit.ly/GoansOfKenya She has also
done a more recent work titled *Goan Pioneers in Bombay*

* The Ben Antao-edited *Goa Masala*, published in Canada and Goa, has
reminiscences by "Africander (as we called them) Goans".

* Braz Menezes' *Just Matata* and *More Matata* touches the subject, in the
shape of a novel. Peter Nazareth's *The General Is Up* gives you glimpses
of Goan life in Africa ("Dambia" or Uganda?), though again in fictional
dressing.

* Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes' study of Catholic migration, from the
1980s, has also been published. Its focus includes the migrant-sending
villages (primarily Moira in this case, though called Amora for the purpose
of the study) and also the networks that expats have built up among
themselves.

* Goanetters Tony de Sa and Reena Martins have been working on the diaspora
in Africa and Bombay, respectively, written with more of a journalistic
perspective.

* Alan Machado Prabhu has handled the much-overlooked exodus of Goans to
Mangalore (which included a large number of Catholics), as history in his
book *Sarasvati's Children* and as fiction in his *Shades Within Shadows*.

* Goans in the Kudds of Bombay has been studied by researchers like Olga
Valladares way back in 1958.

* Kaun Banenge Crorepati one-time cameraman Ajay Noronha recently came out
with a film on his family, which in a way is also a wider story of the
Goans in Nagpur. Other books and works cover smaller time frames or
particular individuals, but these too give an insight into the Goan lives
in diverse parts of the planet. We have autobiographies and biographies of
Pio Gama Pinto, J.M.Nazareth, Aquino de Braganca, and it would be nice to
see the work of former Kenyan deputy speaker Fitz de Souza. J. Clement Vas'
*Eminent Goans* is a very useful compilation.

* JB Pinto of Saligao did a study of Goan migration in the early 1960s,
while for the Portuguese speakers and readers, Pedro Joaquim Peregrino da
Costa wrote *A expansao do Goes pelo mundo* in 1956.

* Lambert Mascarenhas' *Goa Today* (as Melvyn of the Melvyn+Rose fame would
tell you) has played a key role in linking the expat community from the
1960s. Sites like GoaCom.com (in the Anglophone world), Goa-World.net
(particularly in the Gulf) and SuperGoa (in the Lusophone Goan world) have
also played the linkers' role.

And even while we discuss this, I understand that Dr. Satyanarayana Adapa
is no longer in the Chair of Diaspora Studies at Goa University, which he
had taken over only a few months ago. Please correct me if wrong on this. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 21:14:53 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<

London: Blast from the past

12 June 2013: Times of India. By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. The Goan East
African safari of the past century is coming alive in London these days. The
city's Nehru Centre has stepped back into history and is exhibiting some
genuine Goan gems from Africa unearthed by the Goan Association (UK), that
is working on a project to record stories of Goans who lived in East Africa
.
Carvalho summed up, "The story of our intrepid journey to East Africa will
continue to fascinate us for generations to come. It is a story of courage,
enterprise, romance and perseverance, but more importantly it is emblematic
of our collective identity. It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is
the beginning of a long dialogue and becomes the nucleus of a permanent
exhibition housed in a Goa museum."

Full text, 904 words, at http://bit.ly/109WWEA



-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories, old
and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making.
Cecil Pinto
2013-06-13 03:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes wrote to Frederick Noronha:

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?

-------------



Firstly...

Eddie, Selma and whoever else was involved, congratulations on what
appears to be a really fantastic and path-breaking exhibition.

That aside I find this nit-picking on whether or not it is the first
exhibition/collection a little tiresome.

I remember some years back the raging debates about whether or not
Rene Baretto thought up the concept, and coined the term Goa Day.
Kuwait-Goans, Qatar-Goans, even the Sanvordem Parish Youth Association
(if I'm not mistaken), claimed credit. But Rene persevered with his
contention and eventually crowned himself the Father of Goa Day.

Similarly Herman Carneiro is the Father of GoaNet.

Who originated something? Who sustained it? Who popularised it? All
are important.

Incidentally Expressions was the first (and till date only) flower
delivery service provider in the world since 2001 to offer digital
photographs of receivers with the flowers.
http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/faq.htm#22. What?s this about
photographs

Cheers!

Cecil
=========
Vivian A. DSouza
2013-06-11 11:23:56 UTC
Permalink
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.? Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job !
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 18:19:11 UTC
Permalink
Thank you Vivian but the Exhibition was entirely Selma's creation. I did
assist with some aspects of the reception but my preoccupation with Goan
Voice meant that I was not able to pull my weight.

There is to be a book about the Project which I know will be a trailblazer.
I really must get started preparing for the launch of that ...

Eddie Fernandes

-------------------------------------


Vivian A. DSouza
Tue Jun 11 04:23:56 PDT 2013
________________________________________
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support
rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the
exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant
in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost
forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us
all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to
the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African
countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.?
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese
invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult
mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented
those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job
!
________________________________________
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 20:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vivian A. DSouza
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers
to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East
African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar. While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration. The advancing
Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over
difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has
documented those experiences.
Dear Viv,

In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories,
old and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making. Only the other day
we were told about a Goan having skippered a rescue ship that made the
difference when "Hemingway was almost fatally injured".

See http://bit.ly/11UknvL and
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/gvuk_files/Hemmingway.pdf

On the other hand, because we might not be aware of some of the earlier
resources does not mean these do not exist. To give some examples:

* Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's *Songs of the Survivors* tells the stories of Goans
in Burma, specially of how they coped with the 1942 Japanese bombing of the
then British colony. The book was published in 2007 and is now almost out
of print. It is available in the main libraries in Goa and probably
elsewhere though.

* Dr Teresa Albuquerque, the Bombay/Mumbai-based historian, has written on
the *Goans of Kenya* in 1999. See http://bit.ly/GoansOfKenya She has also
done a more recent work titled *Goan Pioneers in Bombay*

* The Ben Antao-edited *Goa Masala*, published in Canada and Goa, has
reminiscences by "Africander (as we called them) Goans".

* Braz Menezes' *Just Matata* and *More Matata* touches the subject, in the
shape of a novel. Peter Nazareth's *The General Is Up* gives you glimpses
of Goan life in Africa ("Dambia" or Uganda?), though again in fictional
dressing.

* Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes' study of Catholic migration, from the
1980s, has also been published. Its focus includes the migrant-sending
villages (primarily Moira in this case, though called Amora for the purpose
of the study) and also the networks that expats have built up among
themselves.

* Goanetters Tony de Sa and Reena Martins have been working on the diaspora
in Africa and Bombay, respectively, written with more of a journalistic
perspective.

* Alan Machado Prabhu has handled the much-overlooked exodus of Goans to
Mangalore (which included a large number of Catholics), as history in his
book *Sarasvati's Children* and as fiction in his *Shades Within Shadows*.

* Goans in the Kudds of Bombay has been studied by researchers like Olga
Valladares way back in 1958.

* Kaun Banenge Crorepati one-time cameraman Ajay Noronha recently came out
with a film on his family, which in a way is also a wider story of the
Goans in Nagpur. Other books and works cover smaller time frames or
particular individuals, but these too give an insight into the Goan lives
in diverse parts of the planet. We have autobiographies and biographies of
Pio Gama Pinto, J.M.Nazareth, Aquino de Braganca, and it would be nice to
see the work of former Kenyan deputy speaker Fitz de Souza. J. Clement Vas'
*Eminent Goans* is a very useful compilation.

* JB Pinto of Saligao did a study of Goan migration in the early 1960s,
while for the Portuguese speakers and readers, Pedro Joaquim Peregrino da
Costa wrote *A expansao do Goes pelo mundo* in 1956.

* Lambert Mascarenhas' *Goa Today* (as Melvyn of the Melvyn+Rose fame would
tell you) has played a key role in linking the expat community from the
1960s. Sites like GoaCom.com (in the Anglophone world), Goa-World.net
(particularly in the Gulf) and SuperGoa (in the Lusophone Goan world) have
also played the linkers' role.

And even while we discuss this, I understand that Dr. Satyanarayana Adapa
is no longer in the Chair of Diaspora Studies at Goa University, which he
had taken over only a few months ago. Please correct me if wrong on this. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 21:14:53 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<

London: Blast from the past

12 June 2013: Times of India. By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. The Goan East
African safari of the past century is coming alive in London these days. The
city's Nehru Centre has stepped back into history and is exhibiting some
genuine Goan gems from Africa unearthed by the Goan Association (UK), that
is working on a project to record stories of Goans who lived in East Africa
.
Carvalho summed up, "The story of our intrepid journey to East Africa will
continue to fascinate us for generations to come. It is a story of courage,
enterprise, romance and perseverance, but more importantly it is emblematic
of our collective identity. It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is
the beginning of a long dialogue and becomes the nucleus of a permanent
exhibition housed in a Goa museum."

Full text, 904 words, at http://bit.ly/109WWEA



-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories, old
and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making.
Cecil Pinto
2013-06-13 03:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes wrote to Frederick Noronha:

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?

-------------



Firstly...

Eddie, Selma and whoever else was involved, congratulations on what
appears to be a really fantastic and path-breaking exhibition.

That aside I find this nit-picking on whether or not it is the first
exhibition/collection a little tiresome.

I remember some years back the raging debates about whether or not
Rene Baretto thought up the concept, and coined the term Goa Day.
Kuwait-Goans, Qatar-Goans, even the Sanvordem Parish Youth Association
(if I'm not mistaken), claimed credit. But Rene persevered with his
contention and eventually crowned himself the Father of Goa Day.

Similarly Herman Carneiro is the Father of GoaNet.

Who originated something? Who sustained it? Who popularised it? All
are important.

Incidentally Expressions was the first (and till date only) flower
delivery service provider in the world since 2001 to offer digital
photographs of receivers with the flowers.
http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/faq.htm#22. What?s this about
photographs

Cheers!

Cecil
=========
Vivian A. DSouza
2013-06-11 11:23:56 UTC
Permalink
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.? Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job !
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 18:19:11 UTC
Permalink
Thank you Vivian but the Exhibition was entirely Selma's creation. I did
assist with some aspects of the reception but my preoccupation with Goan
Voice meant that I was not able to pull my weight.

There is to be a book about the Project which I know will be a trailblazer.
I really must get started preparing for the launch of that ...

Eddie Fernandes

-------------------------------------


Vivian A. DSouza
Tue Jun 11 04:23:56 PDT 2013
________________________________________
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support
rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the
exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant
in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost
forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us
all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to
the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African
countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.?
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese
invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult
mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented
those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job
!
________________________________________
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 20:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vivian A. DSouza
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers
to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East
African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar. While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration. The advancing
Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over
difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has
documented those experiences.
Dear Viv,

In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories,
old and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making. Only the other day
we were told about a Goan having skippered a rescue ship that made the
difference when "Hemingway was almost fatally injured".

See http://bit.ly/11UknvL and
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/gvuk_files/Hemmingway.pdf

On the other hand, because we might not be aware of some of the earlier
resources does not mean these do not exist. To give some examples:

* Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's *Songs of the Survivors* tells the stories of Goans
in Burma, specially of how they coped with the 1942 Japanese bombing of the
then British colony. The book was published in 2007 and is now almost out
of print. It is available in the main libraries in Goa and probably
elsewhere though.

* Dr Teresa Albuquerque, the Bombay/Mumbai-based historian, has written on
the *Goans of Kenya* in 1999. See http://bit.ly/GoansOfKenya She has also
done a more recent work titled *Goan Pioneers in Bombay*

* The Ben Antao-edited *Goa Masala*, published in Canada and Goa, has
reminiscences by "Africander (as we called them) Goans".

* Braz Menezes' *Just Matata* and *More Matata* touches the subject, in the
shape of a novel. Peter Nazareth's *The General Is Up* gives you glimpses
of Goan life in Africa ("Dambia" or Uganda?), though again in fictional
dressing.

* Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes' study of Catholic migration, from the
1980s, has also been published. Its focus includes the migrant-sending
villages (primarily Moira in this case, though called Amora for the purpose
of the study) and also the networks that expats have built up among
themselves.

* Goanetters Tony de Sa and Reena Martins have been working on the diaspora
in Africa and Bombay, respectively, written with more of a journalistic
perspective.

* Alan Machado Prabhu has handled the much-overlooked exodus of Goans to
Mangalore (which included a large number of Catholics), as history in his
book *Sarasvati's Children* and as fiction in his *Shades Within Shadows*.

* Goans in the Kudds of Bombay has been studied by researchers like Olga
Valladares way back in 1958.

* Kaun Banenge Crorepati one-time cameraman Ajay Noronha recently came out
with a film on his family, which in a way is also a wider story of the
Goans in Nagpur. Other books and works cover smaller time frames or
particular individuals, but these too give an insight into the Goan lives
in diverse parts of the planet. We have autobiographies and biographies of
Pio Gama Pinto, J.M.Nazareth, Aquino de Braganca, and it would be nice to
see the work of former Kenyan deputy speaker Fitz de Souza. J. Clement Vas'
*Eminent Goans* is a very useful compilation.

* JB Pinto of Saligao did a study of Goan migration in the early 1960s,
while for the Portuguese speakers and readers, Pedro Joaquim Peregrino da
Costa wrote *A expansao do Goes pelo mundo* in 1956.

* Lambert Mascarenhas' *Goa Today* (as Melvyn of the Melvyn+Rose fame would
tell you) has played a key role in linking the expat community from the
1960s. Sites like GoaCom.com (in the Anglophone world), Goa-World.net
(particularly in the Gulf) and SuperGoa (in the Lusophone Goan world) have
also played the linkers' role.

And even while we discuss this, I understand that Dr. Satyanarayana Adapa
is no longer in the Chair of Diaspora Studies at Goa University, which he
had taken over only a few months ago. Please correct me if wrong on this. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 21:14:53 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<

London: Blast from the past

12 June 2013: Times of India. By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. The Goan East
African safari of the past century is coming alive in London these days. The
city's Nehru Centre has stepped back into history and is exhibiting some
genuine Goan gems from Africa unearthed by the Goan Association (UK), that
is working on a project to record stories of Goans who lived in East Africa
.
Carvalho summed up, "The story of our intrepid journey to East Africa will
continue to fascinate us for generations to come. It is a story of courage,
enterprise, romance and perseverance, but more importantly it is emblematic
of our collective identity. It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is
the beginning of a long dialogue and becomes the nucleus of a permanent
exhibition housed in a Goa museum."

Full text, 904 words, at http://bit.ly/109WWEA



-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories, old
and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making.
Cecil Pinto
2013-06-13 03:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes wrote to Frederick Noronha:

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?

-------------



Firstly...

Eddie, Selma and whoever else was involved, congratulations on what
appears to be a really fantastic and path-breaking exhibition.

That aside I find this nit-picking on whether or not it is the first
exhibition/collection a little tiresome.

I remember some years back the raging debates about whether or not
Rene Baretto thought up the concept, and coined the term Goa Day.
Kuwait-Goans, Qatar-Goans, even the Sanvordem Parish Youth Association
(if I'm not mistaken), claimed credit. But Rene persevered with his
contention and eventually crowned himself the Father of Goa Day.

Similarly Herman Carneiro is the Father of GoaNet.

Who originated something? Who sustained it? Who popularised it? All
are important.

Incidentally Expressions was the first (and till date only) flower
delivery service provider in the world since 2001 to offer digital
photographs of receivers with the flowers.
http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/faq.htm#22. What?s this about
photographs

Cheers!

Cecil
=========
Vivian A. DSouza
2013-06-11 11:23:56 UTC
Permalink
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.? Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job !
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 18:19:11 UTC
Permalink
Thank you Vivian but the Exhibition was entirely Selma's creation. I did
assist with some aspects of the reception but my preoccupation with Goan
Voice meant that I was not able to pull my weight.

There is to be a book about the Project which I know will be a trailblazer.
I really must get started preparing for the launch of that ...

Eddie Fernandes

-------------------------------------


Vivian A. DSouza
Tue Jun 11 04:23:56 PDT 2013
________________________________________
Kudos to Selma Carvalho who undertook this mammoth task and for the support
rendered to her by Eddie Fernandes of the Goan Voice.? I am waiting for the
exhibit to come to Goa some day.? These were stories that were lying dormant
in peoples minds, and as they age and pass away, the stories would be lost
forever.? Our forebears braved difficult voyages,
and inhospitable conditions to make a living.? They are an inspiration to us
all.
.
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers to
the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East African
countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar.? While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.?
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration.? The advancing Japanese
invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over difficult
mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has documented
those experiences.
?
Once again, my heartiest congratulations to? Selma and Eddie for a great job
!
________________________________________
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2013-06-11 20:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vivian A. DSouza
I am sure there are a lot of similar stories to be told by Goan pioneers
to the Arabian Gulf and Iran, and stories focusing on each of the East
African countries viz. Kenya, Uganda,
Tanganyika and Zanzibar. While there was a common experience of living in
the British
colonies and "protectorates", each country presented unique experiences.
Burma at one time was the magnet for Goan migration. The advancing
Japanese invasion during World
War II caused an exodus of Goans, sometimes overland by foot over
difficult mountainous and forested terrain. I don't know if anyone has
documented those experiences.
Dear Viv,

In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories,
old and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making. Only the other day
we were told about a Goan having skippered a rescue ship that made the
difference when "Hemingway was almost fatally injured".

See http://bit.ly/11UknvL and
http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/gvuk_files/Hemmingway.pdf

On the other hand, because we might not be aware of some of the earlier
resources does not mean these do not exist. To give some examples:

* Yvonne Vaz-Ezdani's *Songs of the Survivors* tells the stories of Goans
in Burma, specially of how they coped with the 1942 Japanese bombing of the
then British colony. The book was published in 2007 and is now almost out
of print. It is available in the main libraries in Goa and probably
elsewhere though.

* Dr Teresa Albuquerque, the Bombay/Mumbai-based historian, has written on
the *Goans of Kenya* in 1999. See http://bit.ly/GoansOfKenya She has also
done a more recent work titled *Goan Pioneers in Bombay*

* The Ben Antao-edited *Goa Masala*, published in Canada and Goa, has
reminiscences by "Africander (as we called them) Goans".

* Braz Menezes' *Just Matata* and *More Matata* touches the subject, in the
shape of a novel. Peter Nazareth's *The General Is Up* gives you glimpses
of Goan life in Africa ("Dambia" or Uganda?), though again in fictional
dressing.

* Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes' study of Catholic migration, from the
1980s, has also been published. Its focus includes the migrant-sending
villages (primarily Moira in this case, though called Amora for the purpose
of the study) and also the networks that expats have built up among
themselves.

* Goanetters Tony de Sa and Reena Martins have been working on the diaspora
in Africa and Bombay, respectively, written with more of a journalistic
perspective.

* Alan Machado Prabhu has handled the much-overlooked exodus of Goans to
Mangalore (which included a large number of Catholics), as history in his
book *Sarasvati's Children* and as fiction in his *Shades Within Shadows*.

* Goans in the Kudds of Bombay has been studied by researchers like Olga
Valladares way back in 1958.

* Kaun Banenge Crorepati one-time cameraman Ajay Noronha recently came out
with a film on his family, which in a way is also a wider story of the
Goans in Nagpur. Other books and works cover smaller time frames or
particular individuals, but these too give an insight into the Goan lives
in diverse parts of the planet. We have autobiographies and biographies of
Pio Gama Pinto, J.M.Nazareth, Aquino de Braganca, and it would be nice to
see the work of former Kenyan deputy speaker Fitz de Souza. J. Clement Vas'
*Eminent Goans* is a very useful compilation.

* JB Pinto of Saligao did a study of Goan migration in the early 1960s,
while for the Portuguese speakers and readers, Pedro Joaquim Peregrino da
Costa wrote *A expansao do Goes pelo mundo* in 1956.

* Lambert Mascarenhas' *Goa Today* (as Melvyn of the Melvyn+Rose fame would
tell you) has played a key role in linking the expat community from the
1960s. Sites like GoaCom.com (in the Anglophone world), Goa-World.net
(particularly in the Gulf) and SuperGoa (in the Lusophone Goan world) have
also played the linkers' role.

And even while we discuss this, I understand that Dr. Satyanarayana Adapa
is no longer in the Chair of Diaspora Studies at Goa University, which he
had taken over only a few months ago. Please correct me if wrong on this. FN

FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 fn at goa-india.org
Eddie Fernandes
2013-06-11 21:14:53 UTC
Permalink
Frederick,
It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is the beginning of a long
dialogue<

London: Blast from the past

12 June 2013: Times of India. By Alexandre Moniz Barbosa. The Goan East
African safari of the past century is coming alive in London these days. The
city's Nehru Centre has stepped back into history and is exhibiting some
genuine Goan gems from Africa unearthed by the Goan Association (UK), that
is working on a project to record stories of Goans who lived in East Africa
.
Carvalho summed up, "The story of our intrepid journey to East Africa will
continue to fascinate us for generations to come. It is a story of courage,
enterprise, romance and perseverance, but more importantly it is emblematic
of our collective identity. It is my sincere hope, that this exhibition is
the beginning of a long dialogue and becomes the nucleus of a permanent
exhibition housed in a Goa museum."

Full text, 904 words, at http://bit.ly/109WWEA



-----Original Message-----
From: goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-bounces at lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha
????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
In a sense, this is a bottomless pit, because there are so many stories, old
and new, waiting to be heard and more in the making.
Cecil Pinto
2013-06-13 03:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes wrote to Frederick Noronha:

Since you now acknowledge that this is the first exhibition, why not give it
credit?

-------------



Firstly...

Eddie, Selma and whoever else was involved, congratulations on what
appears to be a really fantastic and path-breaking exhibition.

That aside I find this nit-picking on whether or not it is the first
exhibition/collection a little tiresome.

I remember some years back the raging debates about whether or not
Rene Baretto thought up the concept, and coined the term Goa Day.
Kuwait-Goans, Qatar-Goans, even the Sanvordem Parish Youth Association
(if I'm not mistaken), claimed credit. But Rene persevered with his
contention and eventually crowned himself the Father of Goa Day.

Similarly Herman Carneiro is the Father of GoaNet.

Who originated something? Who sustained it? Who popularised it? All
are important.

Incidentally Expressions was the first (and till date only) flower
delivery service provider in the world since 2001 to offer digital
photographs of receivers with the flowers.
http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/faq.htm#22. What?s this about
photographs

Cheers!

Cecil
=========

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