Discussion:
Virgin coconut oil...
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Frederick Noronha
2009-12-02 17:41:54 UTC
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Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.

Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.

Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa

Rgds, FN
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floriano
2009-12-03 11:28:35 UTC
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Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet
(my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation
Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to
be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and
supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut
Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is
already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil).

This information you have given does not touch even a tip of the iceberg
about the virtues of this VCO. (Cold pressed)
FYI, I am actually drinking VCO three times a day apart from using only VCO
as a cooking medium at home. Have long back thrown the market oils out of my
kitchen.

I do have a few bottles [1 litre] with me (had purchased a dozzen). Costs
Rs. 350/bot.

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

I can put you on to the guy who has done heavy research on this VCO and who
is promoting it in Goa after having painstakingly found the source of
genuine VCO. This brand of VCO is coming from Kerala.

BTW: I have recently given one bottle to a senior citizen/friend in Panjim
who can't make the medical tests for the Canadian Visa. VCO is believed to
help with Diabetes as with most viruses including CYTOMEGALOVIRUS ( the
shell based virus like the HIV virus which is the cause of most Heart
attacks). It is believed that lauric acid has the potential to penetrate the
shell of the virus and render it dead which most modern drug cannot do.

BTW 2: VCO is not produced in Goa.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fn at goa-india.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.
Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.
Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa
Rgds, FN
--
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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-03 17:49:02 UTC
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A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for
St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the
feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great
devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of
St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from
Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees,
or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for
him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis
continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in
so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the
society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy
to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB".
St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the
Gospel, a founder of Christian communities.

His Life:

Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle
of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of
a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria
de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical
languages (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the
University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in
Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530,
and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of
Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship
without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar
Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to
"debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear
of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also
careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of
Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre,
Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas
Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of
chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the
Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on
June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his
companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day
of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the
King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India,
Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the
Brief of Paul III he was appointed the "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa,
where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very
compassionate and ready to help. After getting down on the banks of the
river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the
Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque. He explained that he had been
sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the "salvation of the
unbelievers". He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized
("gentios") would perish unconditionally. He showed him the papal letters
accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After
four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I
mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I,
124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery
with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and
many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord
on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant
lands and among so many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace,
but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where
he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus.
He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents
crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old
Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the
afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison ("Cadeia", situated in a
place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught
them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general
confession.

The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There
were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many
of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in
its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and
slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts,
corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults,
indigenous children and slaves.

Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He
went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling
children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which
he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's
College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better
memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using
simple, easy words.

Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his
glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained.
There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different
national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese
boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and
Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable
pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy
of good quality.

After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was
told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa (1542-1545) to proceed to
Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of
1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the
College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to
Tuticorin.

After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and
coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre
Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul ('Seminary of Holy
Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the
Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of
St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal
with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15,
1552.

He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on
business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in
Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao
and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in
meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he
was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine,
satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of
China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He
reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard
of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order
to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February
17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river
Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the
body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the
canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis in 1622, his body was taken to the
Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV
canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he
so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing
himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years,
seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven
months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of
the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca
that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in
the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me
great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East,
called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be
better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere
in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and
instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae Xavierii,
I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He
could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the
Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people,
whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive (cf. The Letters and
Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a
letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15,
1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier. His Life, His Times, II, 406-410;
Monumenta Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii,
Aliaque Eius Scripta, I, 160-167).

Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the
world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically
carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is
the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from
calamities through his intercession.

There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier
contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit
Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that
he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai
goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho".
There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no
special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his
convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his
organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of
different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come
together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May
we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-03 12:43:16 UTC
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2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO


Dear Floriano,

? ? ?

jc
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2009-12-03 22:47:24 UTC
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Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN

2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
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floriano
2009-12-04 04:49:03 UTC
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It is very easy to become the doctor of doctors.
One just has to hit the googles on any and every topic of health.
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha * ???????? ???????? *??????? ??????? "
<fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN
2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 11:48:15 UTC
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Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
floriano
2009-12-04 14:53:42 UTC
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Rico,
A food for thought indeed !

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
floriano
2009-12-04 14:53:42 UTC
Permalink
Rico,
A food for thought indeed !

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
floriano
2009-12-04 14:53:42 UTC
Permalink
Rico,
A food for thought indeed !

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 11:48:15 UTC
Permalink
Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 11:48:15 UTC
Permalink
Hi Floriano, Can we do a Khmer Rouge on these guys? I mean, send them
to the villages for "re-education" :-)
Post by floriano
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in
hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote
floriano
2009-12-04 04:49:03 UTC
Permalink
It is very easy to become the doctor of doctors.
One just has to hit the googles on any and every topic of health.
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha * ???????? ???????? *??????? ??????? "
<fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN
2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
floriano
2009-12-04 04:49:03 UTC
Permalink
It is very easy to become the doctor of doctors.
One just has to hit the googles on any and every topic of health.
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: When goasuraj takes Goa'sHigh Command in hand, the first to get hit are
our dear dear doctors :-))
Doctors BEWARE...... how you vote





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha * ???????? ???????? *??????? ??????? "
<fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN
2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
floriano
2009-12-04 04:52:54 UTC
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Dear JC,
I am ok with the question mark.
Hope all is well with you & fly.

B/rgds
PS: In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune



----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 04:13:30 UTC
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[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with ?LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) ?is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
floriano
2009-12-04 13:14:38 UTC
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Dear Jose,

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot
exist.

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese
combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the
Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of
flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani
which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother ( if she is still living) what
home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive
doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of
some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day
by day thro god knows what pollution. And the human body is supposed to be
safe from most viruses if it remains alkaline (PH- 8-9). I believe someone
is selling imported water ionizers in Margao for Rs. 30,000/ a piece or so.
However, I have made one at home which has cost me Rs. 750/-, the costliest
part of which is the battery eliminator supplying 12V DC output. I am
uploading the picture of my home made water ionizer for you. And I have a
water ionizer stick imported from Japan which has cost me Rs. 1500/- but
the actual price is US$75/- a piece. It gives pure alkanie water (PH-8) -
one litre in two hours.

I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not
recommended for by-pass surgery. I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex
for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but in
the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood
which thickens the blood and makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a
virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi
baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings
down the blood homocysteine. Unfortunately, no doctor in Goa prescribes
homocysteine test and one has to send blood samples to Mumbai for this test
which cost Rs. 800/- . If at all younsters of under 40 (especially
corporates) fall down and die of heart attacks today, it is because of high
levels of homocysteine in the blood, permissible being 9-12 microgram or
micromole/decilitre or something. I was 23.5 and therefore a sure case of
...........

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first
thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it enough to
goad ourselves with cocacolas and fantas every oppotunity we get which are
totally and hopelessly ACIDIC.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896









----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-04 19:12:27 UTC
Permalink
I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery.
I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but
in the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood which thickens the blood and
makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji)? every morning where the vauchi
baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
floriano,
This one seems strange.
If I have read the above?correctly, MD's have have prescribed Ecosprin and Acorex but you do not take it.

The question I have is:
Who?suggested you eat?raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil every morning?


Mervyn1162Lobo


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2009-12-04 18:38:38 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/4 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>:

Dear Jose,

[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.

[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.

[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.

earlier, Floriano had written:

[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

+

[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery

--

RESPONSE:

My dear Floriano,

I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.

Now ...to your other points:

re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.

re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1

re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)

I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.

sincerely

jc
floriano
2009-12-05 05:11:57 UTC
Permalink
Dear JC,

With all due respect to you and to your profession, I am a much enlightened
man today. (not forgetting Santosh, Mario et al)
I still tend to believe in olden time's 'witches' who used to cure one and
all.
Even Jesus tried to convert Judas. But he failed.
Maybe there is hope that I will see the light at the end of a dark tunnel.

Thanks for bearing with my insanities.
Call it being mesmerized with the internet stuff and claims.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.
[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
+
[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery
--
My dear Floriano,
I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.
re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.
re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1
re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)
I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.
sincerely
jc
floriano
2009-12-05 05:11:57 UTC
Permalink
Dear JC,

With all due respect to you and to your profession, I am a much enlightened
man today. (not forgetting Santosh, Mario et al)
I still tend to believe in olden time's 'witches' who used to cure one and
all.
Even Jesus tried to convert Judas. But he failed.
Maybe there is hope that I will see the light at the end of a dark tunnel.

Thanks for bearing with my insanities.
Call it being mesmerized with the internet stuff and claims.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.
[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
+
[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery
--
My dear Floriano,
I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.
re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.
re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1
re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)
I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.
sincerely
jc
floriano
2009-12-05 05:11:57 UTC
Permalink
Dear JC,

With all due respect to you and to your profession, I am a much enlightened
man today. (not forgetting Santosh, Mario et al)
I still tend to believe in olden time's 'witches' who used to cure one and
all.
Even Jesus tried to convert Judas. But he failed.
Maybe there is hope that I will see the light at the end of a dark tunnel.

Thanks for bearing with my insanities.
Call it being mesmerized with the internet stuff and claims.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.
[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
+
[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery
--
My dear Floriano,
I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.
re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.
re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1
re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)
I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.
sincerely
jc
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-04 19:12:27 UTC
Permalink
I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery.
I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but
in the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood which thickens the blood and
makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji)? every morning where the vauchi
baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
floriano,
This one seems strange.
If I have read the above?correctly, MD's have have prescribed Ecosprin and Acorex but you do not take it.

The question I have is:
Who?suggested you eat?raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil every morning?


Mervyn1162Lobo


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colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 18:38:38 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/4 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>:

Dear Jose,

[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.

[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.

[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.

earlier, Floriano had written:

[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

+

[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery

--

RESPONSE:

My dear Floriano,

I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.

Now ...to your other points:

re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.

re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1

re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)

I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.

sincerely

jc
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-04 19:12:27 UTC
Permalink
I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not recommended for by-pass surgery.
I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but
in the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood which thickens the blood and
makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji)? every morning where the vauchi
baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
floriano,
This one seems strange.
If I have read the above?correctly, MD's have have prescribed Ecosprin and Acorex but you do not take it.

The question I have is:
Who?suggested you eat?raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil every morning?


Mervyn1162Lobo


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colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 18:38:38 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/4 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>:

Dear Jose,

[1] In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left
out the recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the
recent death in GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of
a dog bite.

[2] I don't want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what
stikes me as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.

[3] One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.

earlier, Floriano had written:

[4] it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

+

[5] I have been diagnosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular
system not recommended for by-pass surgery

--

RESPONSE:

My dear Floriano,

I will first address # 5: I'd advise that you get another opinion on
that. Based on the history given, something looks off with the advice
you have received.

Now ...to your other points:

re #1: It is impossible for me to comment on this case merely based on
what you have written. Besides, I do know that doctors are not
infallible. They make mistakes.

re #2: Very confusing - when one takes into account #1

re #3: Whether Magic drinks VCO or not is NOT the question. The
question is whether he is cured of HIV SIMPLY by drinking VCO
(please see # 4)

I will submit that # 4 is moot ....as Magic has (reportedly)
acknowledged publicly that he is on a drug-cocktail.

sincerely

jc
floriano
2009-12-04 13:14:38 UTC
Permalink
Dear Jose,

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot
exist.

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese
combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the
Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of
flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani
which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother ( if she is still living) what
home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive
doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of
some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day
by day thro god knows what pollution. And the human body is supposed to be
safe from most viruses if it remains alkaline (PH- 8-9). I believe someone
is selling imported water ionizers in Margao for Rs. 30,000/ a piece or so.
However, I have made one at home which has cost me Rs. 750/-, the costliest
part of which is the battery eliminator supplying 12V DC output. I am
uploading the picture of my home made water ionizer for you. And I have a
water ionizer stick imported from Japan which has cost me Rs. 1500/- but
the actual price is US$75/- a piece. It gives pure alkanie water (PH-8) -
one litre in two hours.

I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not
recommended for by-pass surgery. I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex
for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but in
the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood
which thickens the blood and makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a
virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi
baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings
down the blood homocysteine. Unfortunately, no doctor in Goa prescribes
homocysteine test and one has to send blood samples to Mumbai for this test
which cost Rs. 800/- . If at all younsters of under 40 (especially
corporates) fall down and die of heart attacks today, it is because of high
levels of homocysteine in the blood, permissible being 9-12 microgram or
micromole/decilitre or something. I was 23.5 and therefore a sure case of
...........

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first
thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it enough to
goad ourselves with cocacolas and fantas every oppotunity we get which are
totally and hopelessly ACIDIC.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896









----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
floriano
2009-12-04 13:14:38 UTC
Permalink
Dear Jose,

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot
exist.

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese
combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the
Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone would run around to get hold of a pound of
flaxseed from the market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani
which is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother ( if she is still living) what
home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive
doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of
some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day
by day thro god knows what pollution. And the human body is supposed to be
safe from most viruses if it remains alkaline (PH- 8-9). I believe someone
is selling imported water ionizers in Margao for Rs. 30,000/ a piece or so.
However, I have made one at home which has cost me Rs. 750/-, the costliest
part of which is the battery eliminator supplying 12V DC output. I am
uploading the picture of my home made water ionizer for you. And I have a
water ionizer stick imported from Japan which has cost me Rs. 1500/- but
the actual price is US$75/- a piece. It gives pure alkanie water (PH-8) -
one litre in two hours.

I have been diagonosed to have a totally clogged cardio-vascular system not
recommended for by-pass surgery. I am supposed to take Ecosprin and Acorex
for life. But these drugs only thin the blood so it can flow easily but in
the meantime escalates the levels of homocystein (amino acid) in the blood
which thickens the blood and makes it succeptible to clotting. I had a
virtual cardiac arrest but I survived. I don't take ecosprin and acorex any
more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi
baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden.
It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings
down the blood homocysteine. Unfortunately, no doctor in Goa prescribes
homocysteine test and one has to send blood samples to Mumbai for this test
which cost Rs. 800/- . If at all younsters of under 40 (especially
corporates) fall down and die of heart attacks today, it is because of high
levels of homocysteine in the blood, permissible being 9-12 microgram or
micromole/decilitre or something. I was 23.5 and therefore a sure case of
...........

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first
thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it enough to
goad ourselves with cocacolas and fantas every oppotunity we get which are
totally and hopelessly ACIDIC.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896









----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2009-12-03 22:47:24 UTC
Permalink
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN

2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
--
FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490
Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
floriano
2009-12-04 04:52:54 UTC
Permalink
Dear JC,
I am ok with the question mark.
Hope all is well with you & fly.

B/rgds
PS: In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune



----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 04:13:30 UTC
Permalink
[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with ?LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) ?is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
2009-12-03 22:47:24 UTC
Permalink
Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on
Scientific-Goan-et :-) FN

2009/12/3 J. Colaco < jc> <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
--
FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490
Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
floriano
2009-12-04 04:52:54 UTC
Permalink
Dear JC,
I am ok with the question mark.
Hope all is well with you & fly.

B/rgds
PS: In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune



----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO
Dear Floriano,
? ? ?
jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 04:13:30 UTC
Permalink
[1] floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with ?LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) ?is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

[2] Frederick Noronha chipped in with this:

Floriano, how dare you make such unScientific statements on Scientific-Goan-et :

==

RESPONSE :

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

a: Several hundred years after Slavery was abolished, the Portuguese
practised slavery in Goa

b: The 1980s Portuguese built bridge in Daman ...collapsed

c: The word 'Goanese' was not used in a derogatory fashion

d: Gated communities do not need gates

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

f: Malaika is a Konkani song etc etc

Bondollam ...which they refuse to correct the record on.


So, Florianobab, when you speak ...many reasonable people (I believe)
take your words to be accurate.

This HIV stuff is serious. It suffers seriously from misinformation
and prejudice. Many individuals get their information from
non-scientific sources.....and they tend to believe the information.

I do not know IF Virgin Coconut Oil has anti-HIV properties or not.
Once the oil is properly tested and the effect proven, I will believe
it. Until that time, I will restrict myself to what is clinically
proven.

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

I'd like to add that Indian manufactured drugs are playing a huge role
in the Bill Clinton Foundation's fight against HIV in some of the
poorest countries in the world eg Haiti.

I believe that my learned colleague (Santosh Helekar) has tried on
numerous occasions to counteract the bogus "information" that is
consistently being posted on GoaNet.

Why some patracar would take a pot shot at that effort, beats me

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-03 17:49:02 UTC
Permalink
A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for
St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the
feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great
devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of
St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from
Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees,
or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for
him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis
continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in
so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the
society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy
to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB".
St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the
Gospel, a founder of Christian communities.

His Life:

Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle
of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of
a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria
de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical
languages (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the
University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in
Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530,
and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of
Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship
without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar
Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to
"debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear
of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also
careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of
Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre,
Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas
Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of
chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the
Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on
June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his
companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day
of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the
King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India,
Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the
Brief of Paul III he was appointed the "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa,
where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very
compassionate and ready to help. After getting down on the banks of the
river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the
Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque. He explained that he had been
sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the "salvation of the
unbelievers". He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized
("gentios") would perish unconditionally. He showed him the papal letters
accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After
four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I
mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I,
124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery
with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and
many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord
on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant
lands and among so many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace,
but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where
he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus.
He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents
crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old
Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the
afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison ("Cadeia", situated in a
place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught
them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general
confession.

The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There
were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many
of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in
its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and
slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts,
corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults,
indigenous children and slaves.

Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He
went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling
children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which
he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's
College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better
memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using
simple, easy words.

Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his
glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained.
There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different
national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese
boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and
Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable
pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy
of good quality.

After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was
told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa (1542-1545) to proceed to
Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of
1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the
College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to
Tuticorin.

After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and
coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre
Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul ('Seminary of Holy
Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the
Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of
St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal
with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15,
1552.

He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on
business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in
Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao
and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in
meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he
was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine,
satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of
China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He
reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard
of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order
to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February
17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river
Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the
body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the
canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis in 1622, his body was taken to the
Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV
canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he
so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing
himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years,
seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven
months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of
the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca
that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in
the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me
great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East,
called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be
better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere
in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and
instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae Xavierii,
I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He
could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the
Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people,
whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive (cf. The Letters and
Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a
letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15,
1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier. His Life, His Times, II, 406-410;
Monumenta Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii,
Aliaque Eius Scripta, I, 160-167).

Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the
world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically
carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is
the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from
calamities through his intercession.

There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier
contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit
Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that
he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai
goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho".
There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no
special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his
convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his
organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of
different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come
together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May
we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-03 12:43:16 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO


Dear Floriano,

? ? ?

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-03 17:49:02 UTC
Permalink
A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for
St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the
feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great
devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of
St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from
Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees,
or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for
him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis
continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in
so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the
society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy
to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB".
St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the
Gospel, a founder of Christian communities.

His Life:

Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle
of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of
a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria
de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical
languages (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the
University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in
Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530,
and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of
Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship
without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar
Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to
"debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear
of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also
careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of
Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre,
Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas
Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of
chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the
Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on
June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his
companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day
of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the
King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India,
Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the
Brief of Paul III he was appointed the "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa,
where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very
compassionate and ready to help. After getting down on the banks of the
river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the
Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque. He explained that he had been
sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the "salvation of the
unbelievers". He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized
("gentios") would perish unconditionally. He showed him the papal letters
accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After
four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I
mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I,
124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery
with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and
many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord
on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant
lands and among so many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace,
but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where
he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus.
He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents
crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old
Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the
afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison ("Cadeia", situated in a
place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught
them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general
confession.

The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There
were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many
of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in
its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and
slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts,
corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults,
indigenous children and slaves.

Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He
went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling
children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which
he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's
College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better
memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using
simple, easy words.

Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his
glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained.
There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different
national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese
boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and
Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable
pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy
of good quality.

After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was
told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa (1542-1545) to proceed to
Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of
1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the
College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to
Tuticorin.

After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and
coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre
Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul ('Seminary of Holy
Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the
Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of
St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal
with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15,
1552.

He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on
business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in
Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao
and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in
meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he
was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine,
satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of
China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He
reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard
of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order
to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February
17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river
Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the
body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the
canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis in 1622, his body was taken to the
Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV
canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he
so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing
himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years,
seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven
months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of
the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca
that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in
the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me
great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East,
called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be
better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere
in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and
instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae Xavierii,
I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He
could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the
Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people,
whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive (cf. The Letters and
Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a
letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15,
1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier. His Life, His Times, II, 406-410;
Monumenta Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii,
Aliaque Eius Scripta, I, 160-167).

Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the
world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically
carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is
the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from
calamities through his intercession.

There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier
contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit
Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that
he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai
goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho".
There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no
special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his
convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his
organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of
different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come
together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May
we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-03 12:43:16 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO


Dear Floriano,

? ? ?

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-03 17:49:02 UTC
Permalink
A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for
St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the
feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great
devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of
St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from
Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees,
or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for
him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis
continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in
so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the
society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy
to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB".
St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the
Gospel, a founder of Christian communities.

His Life:

Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle
of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of
a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria
de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical
languages (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the
University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in
Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530,
and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of
Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship
without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar
Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to
"debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear
of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also
careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of
Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre,
Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas
Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of
chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the
Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on
June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his
companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day
of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the
King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India,
Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the
Brief of Paul III he was appointed the "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa,
where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very
compassionate and ready to help. After getting down on the banks of the
river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the
Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque. He explained that he had been
sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the "salvation of the
unbelievers". He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized
("gentios") would perish unconditionally. He showed him the papal letters
accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After
four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I
mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I,
124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery
with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and
many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord
on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant
lands and among so many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace,
but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where
he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus.
He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents
crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old
Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the
afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison ("Cadeia", situated in a
place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught
them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general
confession.

The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There
were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many
of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in
its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and
slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts,
corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults,
indigenous children and slaves.

Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He
went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling
children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which
he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's
College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better
memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using
simple, easy words.

Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his
glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained.
There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different
national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese
boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and
Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable
pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy
of good quality.

After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was
told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa (1542-1545) to proceed to
Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of
1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the
College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to
Tuticorin.

After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and
coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre
Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul ('Seminary of Holy
Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the
Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of
St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal
with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15,
1552.

He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on
business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in
Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao
and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in
meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he
was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine,
satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of
China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He
reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard
of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order
to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February
17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river
Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the
body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the
canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis in 1622, his body was taken to the
Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV
canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he
so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing
himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years,
seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven
months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of
the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca
that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in
the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me
great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East,
called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be
better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere
in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and
instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae Xavierii,
I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He
could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the
Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people,
whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive (cf. The Letters and
Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a
letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15,
1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier. His Life, His Times, II, 406-410;
Monumenta Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii,
Aliaque Eius Scripta, I, 160-167).

Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the
world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically
carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is
the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from
calamities through his intercession.

There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier
contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit
Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that
he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai
goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho".
There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no
special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his
convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his
organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of
different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come
together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May
we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-03 12:43:16 UTC
Permalink
2009/12/3 floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO


Dear Floriano,

? ? ?

jc

Cecil Pinto
2009-12-04 07:51:17 UTC
Permalink
Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil

===========
floriano
2009-12-04 11:50:06 UTC
Permalink
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
:-))


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Pinto" <cecilpinto at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.
-------------
The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.
Cheers!
Cecil
===========
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 18:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Arrey Baba, Floriano, you are arguing against the good old Cecil
Pinto, and CP is taking off on the good old coconut.

Who can cure HIV/AIDS? Not god, not modern science. Not yet! FN

PS: Is Floriano's statement a "blatant untruth", LIES, or inaccurate
and misleading and unsubtantiated? I think there is a difference
between these words....
Post by floriano
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 18:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Arrey Baba, Floriano, you are arguing against the good old Cecil
Pinto, and CP is taking off on the good old coconut.

Who can cure HIV/AIDS? Not god, not modern science. Not yet! FN

PS: Is Floriano's statement a "blatant untruth", LIES, or inaccurate
and misleading and unsubtantiated? I think there is a difference
between these words....
Post by floriano
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 18:57:35 UTC
Permalink
Arrey Baba, Floriano, you are arguing against the good old Cecil
Pinto, and CP is taking off on the good old coconut.

Who can cure HIV/AIDS? Not god, not modern science. Not yet! FN

PS: Is Floriano's statement a "blatant untruth", LIES, or inaccurate
and misleading and unsubtantiated? I think there is a difference
between these words....
Post by floriano
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil
floriano
2009-12-04 11:50:06 UTC
Permalink
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
:-))


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Pinto" <cecilpinto at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.
-------------
The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.
Cheers!
Cecil
===========
floriano
2009-12-04 11:50:06 UTC
Permalink
Hear Hear,
This comes from a scientific researcher of repute on various life saving
drugs including Goa's good old Feni
:-))


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Pinto" <cecilpinto at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.
-------------
The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.
Cheers!
Cecil
===========
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 04:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Dear Fr. Ivo,
???? Your quite?lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the omission was, and why you did it?
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in> wrote:


From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Subject: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:49 PM


A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees, or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB". St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the Gospel, a founder of
Christian communities.

His Life:

? ? ? ???Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical languages? (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530, and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to "debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre, Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India, Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the Brief of Paul III he was appointed the? "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

? ? On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa, where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very compassionate and ready to help.? After getting down on the banks of the river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque.? He explained that he had been sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the? "salvation of the unbelievers".? He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized ("gentios") would perish unconditionally.? He showed him the papal letters accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I, 124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant lands and among so???many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace, but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus. He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison? ("Cadeia", situated in a place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general confession.

? ? The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts, corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults, indigenous children and slaves.

? ? Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using simple, easy words.

? ? ???Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained. There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy of good quality.

? ? ???After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa? (1542-1545) to proceed to Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of 1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to Tuticorin.

? ? ? After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul? ('Seminary of Holy Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15, 1552.

? ? ? ???He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine, satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

? ? ? ? He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February 17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

? ? ? ? On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis? in 1622, his body was taken to the Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

? ? ? ? Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years, seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East, called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae
Xavierii, I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people, whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive? (cf. The Letters and Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15, 1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier.? His Life,? His? Times, II, 406-410; Monumenta? Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii, Aliaque Eius Scripta,? I, 160-167).

? ? ? Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from calamities through his intercession.

? ? There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho". There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 14:42:27 UTC
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floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson (the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:13:30 -0500
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

Mario asks:

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know they are not "the same", but do they share some DNA perhaps:-))?

Jose wrote:

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

Mario observes:

Fred is the only one allowed flame baits and OFF TOPIC posts on Goanet:-))

While imbibing drug cocktails I have also heard that Magic Johnson is staying away from cocktail waitresses and others claiming to be "virgins" unlike the bad old days that landed him in his predicament in the first place:-))

Moral of Magic's experience, which he will tell you himself, "Stay away from the gratuitous activity that causes HIV/AIDS in the first place, and if you can't be good, be careful"

HIV doesn't come looking for you like other pandemics. Unless you are born with it you have to work quite hard to get it. Accidents like blood transfusions may happen but are very rare any more.

Floriano wrote:

In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune

Mario observes:

Floriano, the last time I checked, JC is a REAL doctor, who gets his information from credible medical journals and not from Youtube videos selling food supplements.

I wonder if the producers of the Youtube video would be interested in doing a scientific study on whether VCO affects HIV/AIDS? If they are we have a scientist right here on Goanet that they can use.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 15:45:56 UTC
Permalink
The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world, but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went
searching goanet (my sent archives)? where I had
written about the deadly Hydrogenation Process of oils to
enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to be
the Hitler's Gassing Chambers? de novo through our
grocery stores and supermarkets. And I had mentioned the
virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut Oil] which is now
replacing the good old Goan Copra? Coconut oil ( which
is already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before
extracting the oil).
floriano
2009-12-05 05:59:41 UTC
Permalink
Dear Santosh,

I consider this flutter of activity on goanet vis a vis VCO and all type of
non-medical (unproven) hype is a learning experience and not misleading to
call it that point blank. Goanetter are intelligent people and they will
take the differring views into account and not fall for this hype, call it
aloe vera, VCO etc.

Your expert inputs are valuable and so also are those of others including
JC's, Mario's etc and as such very much appreciated. Added to it is the
angle of humour and lightheartedness which we goanetters can do with in
times of serious discussions and displays.

However, there are known cases of the USFDA, time and again withdrawing
drugs/medicines from the shelves when they caused enough damage., inspite of
USFDA being very methodical and thorough before giving the go ahead to
market such drugs. Can you elucidate me some as to how these drugs did get
the OK in the first place if the prio proven results were completely
documented? In India we have poly-unsaturated oils ( Sunflow, Saffola,
Soyabean etc) marketted and on the shelves of the super-market with labels
which have tolerance levels to various entities higher than those prescribed
by the Food & Drugs Administration. Howcome this is happening then, if the
governments are the watch-dogs of public health?? Just my queries, if you
know what I mean.

If you ask me for specific information and details, I will not be able to
give you that as these are at most snapshots from my long ago memory.

The point of strenght of any debate is when there are 'pro' and 'con'
debators. It wouldn't be a debate and beneficial to the viewers/public if it
was only pro or only con.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding
coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative
medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such
letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the
internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is
authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in
question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the
difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in
this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for
ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do
they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world,
but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading
Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely
public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
floriano
2009-12-05 05:59:41 UTC
Permalink
Dear Santosh,

I consider this flutter of activity on goanet vis a vis VCO and all type of
non-medical (unproven) hype is a learning experience and not misleading to
call it that point blank. Goanetter are intelligent people and they will
take the differring views into account and not fall for this hype, call it
aloe vera, VCO etc.

Your expert inputs are valuable and so also are those of others including
JC's, Mario's etc and as such very much appreciated. Added to it is the
angle of humour and lightheartedness which we goanetters can do with in
times of serious discussions and displays.

However, there are known cases of the USFDA, time and again withdrawing
drugs/medicines from the shelves when they caused enough damage., inspite of
USFDA being very methodical and thorough before giving the go ahead to
market such drugs. Can you elucidate me some as to how these drugs did get
the OK in the first place if the prio proven results were completely
documented? In India we have poly-unsaturated oils ( Sunflow, Saffola,
Soyabean etc) marketted and on the shelves of the super-market with labels
which have tolerance levels to various entities higher than those prescribed
by the Food & Drugs Administration. Howcome this is happening then, if the
governments are the watch-dogs of public health?? Just my queries, if you
know what I mean.

If you ask me for specific information and details, I will not be able to
give you that as these are at most snapshots from my long ago memory.

The point of strenght of any debate is when there are 'pro' and 'con'
debators. It wouldn't be a debate and beneficial to the viewers/public if it
was only pro or only con.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding
coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative
medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such
letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the
internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is
authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in
question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the
difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in
this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for
ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do
they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world,
but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading
Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely
public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
floriano
2009-12-05 05:59:41 UTC
Permalink
Dear Santosh,

I consider this flutter of activity on goanet vis a vis VCO and all type of
non-medical (unproven) hype is a learning experience and not misleading to
call it that point blank. Goanetter are intelligent people and they will
take the differring views into account and not fall for this hype, call it
aloe vera, VCO etc.

Your expert inputs are valuable and so also are those of others including
JC's, Mario's etc and as such very much appreciated. Added to it is the
angle of humour and lightheartedness which we goanetters can do with in
times of serious discussions and displays.

However, there are known cases of the USFDA, time and again withdrawing
drugs/medicines from the shelves when they caused enough damage., inspite of
USFDA being very methodical and thorough before giving the go ahead to
market such drugs. Can you elucidate me some as to how these drugs did get
the OK in the first place if the prio proven results were completely
documented? In India we have poly-unsaturated oils ( Sunflow, Saffola,
Soyabean etc) marketted and on the shelves of the super-market with labels
which have tolerance levels to various entities higher than those prescribed
by the Food & Drugs Administration. Howcome this is happening then, if the
governments are the watch-dogs of public health?? Just my queries, if you
know what I mean.

If you ask me for specific information and details, I will not be able to
give you that as these are at most snapshots from my long ago memory.

The point of strenght of any debate is when there are 'pro' and 'con'
debators. It wouldn't be a debate and beneficial to the viewers/public if it
was only pro or only con.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding
coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and
Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative
medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such
letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the
internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is
authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in
question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the
difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in
this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for
ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do
they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world,
but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading
Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely
public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
augusto pinto
2009-12-04 17:17:48 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 20:05:23 UTC
Permalink
augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>:

Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.

Comment: here is something you may or may not wish to read.


[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm

The horrible Inquisition ( Inquisicao or Inquiry ) in Goa is the
source of some criticism against him. The reasons for his call for an
Inquisition in Goa are quite clear, in his letters to King Joao III.
He was totally frustrated by the state of immorality among many of the
elite in Goa and the inability or unwillingness of the King of
Portugal, to do anything about it.

The Inquisition itself was very cruel and turned into a proper
witch-hunt. It caused significant sections of the population to
migrate - many to the South Indian region of Mangalore. But it came to
Goa eight years after the death of Francisco Xavier. It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.

He was absent from Goa at the time - by virtue of his death, eight
years before the Inquisition came to Goa!!.

[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm

I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death.
From my chapter on the Inquisition in Goa, you will realize that what
went on in Goa - as written by Dr. Dellon, - that

1) great injustice was meted out to innocents, almost certainly all of them.

2) the Inquisitors enriched themselves with the patrimony, and wealth
of the accused

3) this caused the exodus of many Goans, for fear of being unjustly
accused and condemned by such a fiendish organization.

St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.

Mind you, even the King of Portugal, and the Viceroys in Goa, lived in
fear of the Inquisition !!

Also, I fully agree with the rest of comments re: what went on in
India, in those times, and denounce the present day persecution of
Christians in India, which seems to be the policy of the
ultra-orthodox Hindus.

Quite different from the TOLERANCE of the tenets of Hinduism, which
embraces so many gods

ps: IF you happen to access http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-SCR.htm

Please be advised that Sandeep Heble has requested that his posts be
removed from that site - as he no longer subscribes to the views
expressed by him, therein.

Once I sort out the PW issues - I will be able to do so.

The other option is to Find another host and just repost the good
articles from this site to the new one.

good wishes

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-05 07:00:41 UTC
Permalink
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.
***Thanks for your answer, Dr.Jose Cola?o. I sent the article to Goanet at
the last moment of the day. It was an article which I wrote several years
back, basing myself on the biographies and documents available to me at
that time. At that time I did not even remember about Inquisition in Goa,
since it came later. While sending it, I remembered the point, but I
thought that I could speak about Inquisition some time later, elsewhere,
since I read the indefinite controversy on Goanet some time back and I did
not wish to resume it for the time being. It is not, therefore,
"suppressio veri", nor any falsehood. Even if St.Francis Xavier wanted it
and requested it, we know what was the aim of Inquisition. It was already
in Spain and Portugal. Saint Francis Xavier is not at all responsible for
the political overtones of the institution and the abuses that followed
and have been described by some travellers, protestant authors and hindu
authors. The Catholic Church is a "charitable institution" or rather
movement of agapeic, selfless love. It cannot be defeated by anyone. Some
type of "inquisition" will be there even today rather as a guiding lamp
for the members of the Church and for humanity at large.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm
...It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.
[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm
I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-05 07:00:41 UTC
Permalink
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.
***Thanks for your answer, Dr.Jose Cola?o. I sent the article to Goanet at
the last moment of the day. It was an article which I wrote several years
back, basing myself on the biographies and documents available to me at
that time. At that time I did not even remember about Inquisition in Goa,
since it came later. While sending it, I remembered the point, but I
thought that I could speak about Inquisition some time later, elsewhere,
since I read the indefinite controversy on Goanet some time back and I did
not wish to resume it for the time being. It is not, therefore,
"suppressio veri", nor any falsehood. Even if St.Francis Xavier wanted it
and requested it, we know what was the aim of Inquisition. It was already
in Spain and Portugal. Saint Francis Xavier is not at all responsible for
the political overtones of the institution and the abuses that followed
and have been described by some travellers, protestant authors and hindu
authors. The Catholic Church is a "charitable institution" or rather
movement of agapeic, selfless love. It cannot be defeated by anyone. Some
type of "inquisition" will be there even today rather as a guiding lamp
for the members of the Church and for humanity at large.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm
...It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.
[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm
I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-05 07:00:41 UTC
Permalink
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.
***Thanks for your answer, Dr.Jose Cola?o. I sent the article to Goanet at
the last moment of the day. It was an article which I wrote several years
back, basing myself on the biographies and documents available to me at
that time. At that time I did not even remember about Inquisition in Goa,
since it came later. While sending it, I remembered the point, but I
thought that I could speak about Inquisition some time later, elsewhere,
since I read the indefinite controversy on Goanet some time back and I did
not wish to resume it for the time being. It is not, therefore,
"suppressio veri", nor any falsehood. Even if St.Francis Xavier wanted it
and requested it, we know what was the aim of Inquisition. It was already
in Spain and Portugal. Saint Francis Xavier is not at all responsible for
the political overtones of the institution and the abuses that followed
and have been described by some travellers, protestant authors and hindu
authors. The Catholic Church is a "charitable institution" or rather
movement of agapeic, selfless love. It cannot be defeated by anyone. Some
type of "inquisition" will be there even today rather as a guiding lamp
for the members of the Church and for humanity at large.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm
...It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.
[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm
I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 20:05:23 UTC
Permalink
augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>:

Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.

Comment: here is something you may or may not wish to read.


[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm

The horrible Inquisition ( Inquisicao or Inquiry ) in Goa is the
source of some criticism against him. The reasons for his call for an
Inquisition in Goa are quite clear, in his letters to King Joao III.
He was totally frustrated by the state of immorality among many of the
elite in Goa and the inability or unwillingness of the King of
Portugal, to do anything about it.

The Inquisition itself was very cruel and turned into a proper
witch-hunt. It caused significant sections of the population to
migrate - many to the South Indian region of Mangalore. But it came to
Goa eight years after the death of Francisco Xavier. It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.

He was absent from Goa at the time - by virtue of his death, eight
years before the Inquisition came to Goa!!.

[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm

I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death.
From my chapter on the Inquisition in Goa, you will realize that what
went on in Goa - as written by Dr. Dellon, - that

1) great injustice was meted out to innocents, almost certainly all of them.

2) the Inquisitors enriched themselves with the patrimony, and wealth
of the accused

3) this caused the exodus of many Goans, for fear of being unjustly
accused and condemned by such a fiendish organization.

St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.

Mind you, even the King of Portugal, and the Viceroys in Goa, lived in
fear of the Inquisition !!

Also, I fully agree with the rest of comments re: what went on in
India, in those times, and denounce the present day persecution of
Christians in India, which seems to be the policy of the
ultra-orthodox Hindus.

Quite different from the TOLERANCE of the tenets of Hinduism, which
embraces so many gods

ps: IF you happen to access http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-SCR.htm

Please be advised that Sandeep Heble has requested that his posts be
removed from that site - as he no longer subscribes to the views
expressed by him, therein.

Once I sort out the PW issues - I will be able to do so.

The other option is to Find another host and just repost the good
articles from this site to the new one.

good wishes

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 20:05:23 UTC
Permalink
augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>:

Dear Victor, Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the
answer to your question is 'The Inquisition'.

Comment: here is something you may or may not wish to read.


[1] http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm

The horrible Inquisition ( Inquisicao or Inquiry ) in Goa is the
source of some criticism against him. The reasons for his call for an
Inquisition in Goa are quite clear, in his letters to King Joao III.
He was totally frustrated by the state of immorality among many of the
elite in Goa and the inability or unwillingness of the King of
Portugal, to do anything about it.

The Inquisition itself was very cruel and turned into a proper
witch-hunt. It caused significant sections of the population to
migrate - many to the South Indian region of Mangalore. But it came to
Goa eight years after the death of Francisco Xavier. It is ludicrous
to assign to him any of the responsibility for the crimes and cruelty
of the Inquisition in Goa. Portugal, yes; some among the clergy and
politicians in Goa at the time, yes; Rome, yes; but Francisco Xavier,
no!.

He was absent from Goa at the time - by virtue of his death, eight
years before the Inquisition came to Goa!!.

[2] http://www.colaco.net/1/InquiForeword.htm

I fully agree that St. Francis Xavier did not wish, nor envisage, the
type of Inquisition that took place in Goa, eight years after his
death.
From my chapter on the Inquisition in Goa, you will realize that what
went on in Goa - as written by Dr. Dellon, - that

1) great injustice was meted out to innocents, almost certainly all of them.

2) the Inquisitors enriched themselves with the patrimony, and wealth
of the accused

3) this caused the exodus of many Goans, for fear of being unjustly
accused and condemned by such a fiendish organization.

St. Francis Xavier, by the sheer example of his own life, living in
abject poverty, attending lepers, and the poor, would have never
approved of what went on for 252 years, under the all-powerful
Inquisition.

Mind you, even the King of Portugal, and the Viceroys in Goa, lived in
fear of the Inquisition !!

Also, I fully agree with the rest of comments re: what went on in
India, in those times, and denounce the present day persecution of
Christians in India, which seems to be the policy of the
ultra-orthodox Hindus.

Quite different from the TOLERANCE of the tenets of Hinduism, which
embraces so many gods

ps: IF you happen to access http://www.colaco.net/3/VFTB-SCR.htm

Please be advised that Sandeep Heble has requested that his posts be
removed from that site - as he no longer subscribes to the views
expressed by him, therein.

Once I sort out the PW issues - I will be able to do so.

The other option is to Find another host and just repost the good
articles from this site to the new one.

good wishes

jc
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 20:07:32 UTC
Permalink
You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact." The sentence should have begun with the little word, "In". I assume I left it out because I was in a hurry to get the message out. It was an honest mistake, and no harm was done. You not only understood it, but you supplied the answer to my question.
???? Fr. Ivo, on the other hand, left out a key fact about Saint Francis Xavier that affected life in Goa for 250 years. Why did?Fr.Ivo?do it? I would like him to explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com> wrote:


From: augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 12:17 PM


On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 23:28:52 UTC
Permalink
Regarding the 'omission' of the Inquisition from Fr Ivo's SFX article

Victor Rangel-Ribeiro asked: Why did Fr.Ivo do it? I would like him to
explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?

==

COMMENT:

I would wish to pose a few questions to VRR in return.

[1] If you have 'concluded' that Fr. Ivo was suppressing the truth,
may I ask the basis for reaching such a conclusion?

[2] Now that you have concluded that the Inquisition was a 'key fact
about Saint Francis Xavier', may I ask on what basis it is a 'key
fact'?

[3] If one looks at the sum-total of SFX's life, how does the
Inquisition become a key fact?

[4] What was more important in the 'evaluation', the Inquisition or
the atrocities of the Inquisition in Goa?

[5] How much of the Inquisition atrocities did SFX commit?

[6] Granting that the major targets of the Inquisition were Jews, Why
were Goan-Catholics targeted?


Please note that I absolutely and utterly condemn the Inquisition,
just as I condemn the abuse of children. No exclusion clauses. None.
Zip. Nada



However, I remain perplexed at the selective condemnation of Catholics
and (in this case) apparently, of SFX. (Incidentally, I also find a
similar silence on the alleged 'Catholic-protagonists' when it comes
to speaking out against the abuse and against the wanton interference
by some Rt Wing Bishops into matters of the State.)


I strongly believe that while individuals have every right to follow
their way of life as long as they do NOT

a: force any young children/ or young females to get married to any
old men (not out of choice) - even today

b: cause the burning of young widows.

c: discriminate against others on the basis of the apartheid "caste"
system - even today.

d: force young 'lower caste' women into the devadasi servitude

e: force young children into a life of slave labour, a good percentage
of it ...bonded - even today


Where do you guys stand .....and when last have you written against
these issues.

If not ....Why Not?

Is is a question of "suppressio veri"?

In conclusion, I'd add this: Those who believe that SFX is responsible
for the atrocities of the Inquisition because he asked for it - and
ought to have known what to expect, will probably also lay significant
blame for the ills facing Goa today - at the feet of those who
requested Nehru to invade Goa.



jc
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 21:45:24 UTC
Permalink
Guys, how can you do this to me? Is it Inquisition time already? We've
been through this debate many times in the past.... and one more
betrays a lack of ingenuity.

Considering how hard I've tried -- and succeeded, with Virgin Coconut
Oil (are still some of you guessing what it is?) no less -- in
building a nice, typically-Goan storm in a teacup, please do show some
consideration for my work :-)

I propose we keep beating each other with the VCO stick for some more
time... We can keep the Inquisition thingy and Priolkar et al for
another dry day! FN
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is
something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your
quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis ...
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 23:28:52 UTC
Permalink
Regarding the 'omission' of the Inquisition from Fr Ivo's SFX article

Victor Rangel-Ribeiro asked: Why did Fr.Ivo do it? I would like him to
explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?

==

COMMENT:

I would wish to pose a few questions to VRR in return.

[1] If you have 'concluded' that Fr. Ivo was suppressing the truth,
may I ask the basis for reaching such a conclusion?

[2] Now that you have concluded that the Inquisition was a 'key fact
about Saint Francis Xavier', may I ask on what basis it is a 'key
fact'?

[3] If one looks at the sum-total of SFX's life, how does the
Inquisition become a key fact?

[4] What was more important in the 'evaluation', the Inquisition or
the atrocities of the Inquisition in Goa?

[5] How much of the Inquisition atrocities did SFX commit?

[6] Granting that the major targets of the Inquisition were Jews, Why
were Goan-Catholics targeted?


Please note that I absolutely and utterly condemn the Inquisition,
just as I condemn the abuse of children. No exclusion clauses. None.
Zip. Nada



However, I remain perplexed at the selective condemnation of Catholics
and (in this case) apparently, of SFX. (Incidentally, I also find a
similar silence on the alleged 'Catholic-protagonists' when it comes
to speaking out against the abuse and against the wanton interference
by some Rt Wing Bishops into matters of the State.)


I strongly believe that while individuals have every right to follow
their way of life as long as they do NOT

a: force any young children/ or young females to get married to any
old men (not out of choice) - even today

b: cause the burning of young widows.

c: discriminate against others on the basis of the apartheid "caste"
system - even today.

d: force young 'lower caste' women into the devadasi servitude

e: force young children into a life of slave labour, a good percentage
of it ...bonded - even today


Where do you guys stand .....and when last have you written against
these issues.

If not ....Why Not?

Is is a question of "suppressio veri"?

In conclusion, I'd add this: Those who believe that SFX is responsible
for the atrocities of the Inquisition because he asked for it - and
ought to have known what to expect, will probably also lay significant
blame for the ills facing Goa today - at the feet of those who
requested Nehru to invade Goa.



jc
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 21:45:24 UTC
Permalink
Guys, how can you do this to me? Is it Inquisition time already? We've
been through this debate many times in the past.... and one more
betrays a lack of ingenuity.

Considering how hard I've tried -- and succeeded, with Virgin Coconut
Oil (are still some of you guessing what it is?) no less -- in
building a nice, typically-Goan storm in a teacup, please do show some
consideration for my work :-)

I propose we keep beating each other with the VCO stick for some more
time... We can keep the Inquisition thingy and Priolkar et al for
another dry day! FN
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is
something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your
quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis ...
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-04 23:28:52 UTC
Permalink
Regarding the 'omission' of the Inquisition from Fr Ivo's SFX article

Victor Rangel-Ribeiro asked: Why did Fr.Ivo do it? I would like him to
explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?

==

COMMENT:

I would wish to pose a few questions to VRR in return.

[1] If you have 'concluded' that Fr. Ivo was suppressing the truth,
may I ask the basis for reaching such a conclusion?

[2] Now that you have concluded that the Inquisition was a 'key fact
about Saint Francis Xavier', may I ask on what basis it is a 'key
fact'?

[3] If one looks at the sum-total of SFX's life, how does the
Inquisition become a key fact?

[4] What was more important in the 'evaluation', the Inquisition or
the atrocities of the Inquisition in Goa?

[5] How much of the Inquisition atrocities did SFX commit?

[6] Granting that the major targets of the Inquisition were Jews, Why
were Goan-Catholics targeted?


Please note that I absolutely and utterly condemn the Inquisition,
just as I condemn the abuse of children. No exclusion clauses. None.
Zip. Nada



However, I remain perplexed at the selective condemnation of Catholics
and (in this case) apparently, of SFX. (Incidentally, I also find a
similar silence on the alleged 'Catholic-protagonists' when it comes
to speaking out against the abuse and against the wanton interference
by some Rt Wing Bishops into matters of the State.)


I strongly believe that while individuals have every right to follow
their way of life as long as they do NOT

a: force any young children/ or young females to get married to any
old men (not out of choice) - even today

b: cause the burning of young widows.

c: discriminate against others on the basis of the apartheid "caste"
system - even today.

d: force young 'lower caste' women into the devadasi servitude

e: force young children into a life of slave labour, a good percentage
of it ...bonded - even today


Where do you guys stand .....and when last have you written against
these issues.

If not ....Why Not?

Is is a question of "suppressio veri"?

In conclusion, I'd add this: Those who believe that SFX is responsible
for the atrocities of the Inquisition because he asked for it - and
ought to have known what to expect, will probably also lay significant
blame for the ills facing Goa today - at the feet of those who
requested Nehru to invade Goa.



jc
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 21:45:24 UTC
Permalink
Guys, how can you do this to me? Is it Inquisition time already? We've
been through this debate many times in the past.... and one more
betrays a lack of ingenuity.

Considering how hard I've tried -- and succeeded, with Virgin Coconut
Oil (are still some of you guessing what it is?) no less -- in
building a nice, typically-Goan storm in a teacup, please do show some
consideration for my work :-)

I propose we keep beating each other with the VCO stick for some more
time... We can keep the Inquisition thingy and Priolkar et al for
another dry day! FN
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is
something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your
quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis ...
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 18:47:46 UTC
Permalink
Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact, she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of? our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies? do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to? get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
floriano
2009-12-05 04:47:22 UTC
Permalink
I certainly can live with that.
Makes a load of good sense, actually.

Re: Nominations for Nobel prize, did peace quack manage to filter into the
quackery and succed when they gave one to Obama ( prematurely)?

Some people have a penchant to commit suicide. I am one of them,
unfortunately. Should I put it to my huge distrust of modern day druggy
medicines which apparently cure one symtom and creat 10 others?

Thanks Santosh
Much appreciated

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as
follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the
encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as
severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the
body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact,
she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite
predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see:
http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible
altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned
down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical
mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven
activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid
garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
floriano
2009-12-05 04:47:22 UTC
Permalink
I certainly can live with that.
Makes a load of good sense, actually.

Re: Nominations for Nobel prize, did peace quack manage to filter into the
quackery and succed when they gave one to Obama ( prematurely)?

Some people have a penchant to commit suicide. I am one of them,
unfortunately. Should I put it to my huge distrust of modern day druggy
medicines which apparently cure one symtom and creat 10 others?

Thanks Santosh
Much appreciated

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as
follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the
encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as
severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the
body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact,
she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite
predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see:
http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible
altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned
down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical
mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven
activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid
garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
floriano
2009-12-05 04:47:22 UTC
Permalink
I certainly can live with that.
Makes a load of good sense, actually.

Re: Nominations for Nobel prize, did peace quack manage to filter into the
quackery and succed when they gave one to Obama ( prematurely)?

Some people have a penchant to commit suicide. I am one of them,
unfortunately. Should I put it to my huge distrust of modern day druggy
medicines which apparently cure one symtom and creat 10 others?

Thanks Santosh
Much appreciated

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...


Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as
follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the
encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as
severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the
body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil
and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact,
she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite
predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see:
http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible
altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned
down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical
mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven
activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid
garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 18:51:06 UTC
Permalink
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Mario observes:

Floriano,

My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in hand":-))

Floriano writes:

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

Mario responds:

Saiba boggus! Are you calling the doctors at GMC stupid? The very doctors who may have to treat you some day? Perhaps even for rabies? Even a layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))

BTW, did you tell the doctors at GMC that, in your medical opinion, "all manifestations were of rabies" for the last 25 years?

Floriano wrote:

the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist.

Mario observes:

Makes sense. Let's shut them all down and save all that money since all we need is water, virgin coconut oil, aloe vera, flaxseed oil, cottage cheese and vauchi baaji.

But wait. Why should a pharmaceutical company do research on stuff they don't sell? If they do they will be accused of bias. Shouldn't the people who sell those things do the research?

Do you sell houses and let others build the house and collect the payments?

Floriano wrote:

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it??

Mario responds:

I hate to tell you this, re, but anyone with a typewriter and the cost of postage can nominate someone for a Nobel Prize. I thought everyone learned that when the world was shocked that President Obama could be awarded a Nobel prize for nothing from a nomination that had to be made before he even got elected. How do you like that, hanh?!

The only way the world would "go bust" due to Dr. Budwig is if she were to successfully put her remedies through the same test as real medicines.

Until then, her friends can continue to nominate her till the proverbial cows come home and nothing further will come of it, because her skin is not black like President Obama's, so she gets no special points in the Nobel committee's affirmative action or reservations programs:-))

Floriano wrote:

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Mario responds:

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. The Saudis don't have enough money to buy anyone who has a real alternative auto technology to compete with the gasoline engine right now. The folks at Reva in Bangalore would love for someone to buy them out.

Floriano wrote:

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother (if she is still living) what home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Mario responds:

Please let's keep Cecil's Granny out of this. I doubt he allowed her to use Aloe Vera either.

Floriano writes:

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day by day thro god knows what pollution.

Mario responds:

When only God knows, you can safely blame it on global warming:-))

Floriano wrote:

I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings down the blood homocysteine.

Mario responds:

I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo, and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))

Floriano wrote:

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

Mario responds:

I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))

Floriano wrote:

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....

Mario responds:

Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges, for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not much, just a little.
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 22:12:04 UTC
Permalink
Saiba boggus! ?Are you calling the doctors at GMC
stupid? ?The very doctors who may have to treat
you some day? ?Perhaps even for rabies? ?Even a
layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die
from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))
How do you believe such fairy tails Mario? If you keep repeating them
oft enough, you would!

Please don't even remotely entertain the thought that Floriano has
anything against doctors in general! He was just taking a dig at one
particular doctor whom he has been verbally jostling with in these
very columns.

Just as, when JC takes aim at "patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you
shouldn't believe that he dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or
caste). Or that he is born with some innate bias against hacks.

Maybe for just one or two :-) FN
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colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-05 06:35:36 UTC
Permalink
Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '


response:

That is correct.

I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.

jc
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-05 09:53:47 UTC
Permalink
Does that make it two? Or just one? :-) FN
?Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '
That is correct.
I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.
jc
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2009-12-05 09:53:47 UTC
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Does that make it two? Or just one? :-) FN
?Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '
That is correct.
I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.
jc
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Frederick Noronha
2009-12-05 09:53:47 UTC
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Does that make it two? Or just one? :-) FN
?Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '
That is correct.
I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.
jc
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colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-05 06:35:36 UTC
Permalink
Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '


response:

That is correct.

I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.

jc
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-05 06:35:36 UTC
Permalink
Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> ' when JC takes aim at
"patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you shouldn't believe that he
dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or caste). '


response:

That is correct.

I only dislike the ones who publish bondollam and refuse to correct them.

jc
floriano
2009-12-05 05:03:24 UTC
Permalink
Mario,

I must say that there is some life on goanet now.

If you would want to know, I myself fell off the chair with my sides
bursting to read what you had to say quote I think the sound I just heard
was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo unquote

And it is true. I take an empty aloe vera one litre can in my car with me
for the best part of the morning :-))

And last of all, if Mario was not around with a good sense of humour, goanet
would be dull as a mossed out stone.

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Floriano,
My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things
you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in
hand":-))
I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo,
and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard
saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))
And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken
first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.
I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))
I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....
Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never
used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many
people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with
water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges,
for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not
much, just a little.
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-05 11:12:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??
Don't trust everything you read on the Net... but:

Coconut oil not just safe, beneficial, says controversial study
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/sep/17coco.htm

The potent anti-viral, anti-fungal and anti-microbial effects of
coconut oil have implicated it in the treatment of both AIDS and
candida. Whatever bad things you may have heard or read about coconut
milk have not stood up to scrutiny by unbiased food scientists;
however, the goodness of coconut milk has not been given equal press
because of intensive lobbying against it by the powerful vegetable oil
industry. Southeast Asians, meanwhile, have been staying healthy for
generations with coconut an integral part of their diet (The Truth
about Coconut Oil).
http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/ingredients/cocmilk.html

The coconut oil myth
http://www.heart-health-for-life.com/coconut-oil.html
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2009-12-05 11:12:30 UTC
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Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??
Don't trust everything you read on the Net... but:

Coconut oil not just safe, beneficial, says controversial study
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/sep/17coco.htm

The potent anti-viral, anti-fungal and anti-microbial effects of
coconut oil have implicated it in the treatment of both AIDS and
candida. Whatever bad things you may have heard or read about coconut
milk have not stood up to scrutiny by unbiased food scientists;
however, the goodness of coconut milk has not been given equal press
because of intensive lobbying against it by the powerful vegetable oil
industry. Southeast Asians, meanwhile, have been staying healthy for
generations with coconut an integral part of their diet (The Truth
about Coconut Oil).
http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/ingredients/cocmilk.html

The coconut oil myth
http://www.heart-health-for-life.com/coconut-oil.html
--
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2009-12-05 11:12:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??
Don't trust everything you read on the Net... but:

Coconut oil not just safe, beneficial, says controversial study
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/sep/17coco.htm

The potent anti-viral, anti-fungal and anti-microbial effects of
coconut oil have implicated it in the treatment of both AIDS and
candida. Whatever bad things you may have heard or read about coconut
milk have not stood up to scrutiny by unbiased food scientists;
however, the goodness of coconut milk has not been given equal press
because of intensive lobbying against it by the powerful vegetable oil
industry. Southeast Asians, meanwhile, have been staying healthy for
generations with coconut an integral part of their diet (The Truth
about Coconut Oil).
http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/ingredients/cocmilk.html

The coconut oil myth
http://www.heart-health-for-life.com/coconut-oil.html
--
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Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 22:12:04 UTC
Permalink
Saiba boggus! ?Are you calling the doctors at GMC
stupid? ?The very doctors who may have to treat
you some day? ?Perhaps even for rabies? ?Even a
layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die
from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))
How do you believe such fairy tails Mario? If you keep repeating them
oft enough, you would!

Please don't even remotely entertain the thought that Floriano has
anything against doctors in general! He was just taking a dig at one
particular doctor whom he has been verbally jostling with in these
very columns.

Just as, when JC takes aim at "patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you
shouldn't believe that he dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or
caste). Or that he is born with some innate bias against hacks.

Maybe for just one or two :-) FN
--
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floriano
2009-12-05 05:03:24 UTC
Permalink
Mario,

I must say that there is some life on goanet now.

If you would want to know, I myself fell off the chair with my sides
bursting to read what you had to say quote I think the sound I just heard
was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo unquote

And it is true. I take an empty aloe vera one litre can in my car with me
for the best part of the morning :-))

And last of all, if Mario was not around with a good sense of humour, goanet
would be dull as a mossed out stone.

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Floriano,
My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things
you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in
hand":-))
I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo,
and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard
saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))
And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken
first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.
I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))
I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....
Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never
used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many
people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with
water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges,
for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not
much, just a little.
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-04 22:12:04 UTC
Permalink
Saiba boggus! ?Are you calling the doctors at GMC
stupid? ?The very doctors who may have to treat
you some day? ?Perhaps even for rabies? ?Even a
layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die
from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))
How do you believe such fairy tails Mario? If you keep repeating them
oft enough, you would!

Please don't even remotely entertain the thought that Floriano has
anything against doctors in general! He was just taking a dig at one
particular doctor whom he has been verbally jostling with in these
very columns.

Just as, when JC takes aim at "patrakars" and "journos" in Goa, you
shouldn't believe that he dislikes journalists as a tribe (or class or
caste). Or that he is born with some innate bias against hacks.

Maybe for just one or two :-) FN
--
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floriano
2009-12-05 05:03:24 UTC
Permalink
Mario,

I must say that there is some life on goanet now.

If you would want to know, I myself fell off the chair with my sides
bursting to read what you had to say quote I think the sound I just heard
was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo unquote

And it is true. I take an empty aloe vera one litre can in my car with me
for the best part of the morning :-))

And last of all, if Mario was not around with a good sense of humour, goanet
would be dull as a mossed out stone.

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil
for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL
we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,
all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet
at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896




----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Floriano,
My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things
you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in
hand":-))
I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo,
and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard
saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))
And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken
first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.
I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))
I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....
Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never
used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many
people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with
water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges,
for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not
much, just a little.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 18:08:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.

Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.

Cheers,

Santosh
floriano
2009-12-06 06:02:53 UTC
Permalink
Absolutely well said, Santosh.

I was concentrating more on the cancers and the heart attacks that the other
ones you mentioned quite slipped by me. And there was rabies and septics
and more precariously, the snake bites.

I am well informed today.

And I am an eager beever for learning for I believe that one can learn even
moments before one breaths one's last.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Santosh Helekar
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance
about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and
the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used
to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die
from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see
40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer
were in addition naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25
years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums -
Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In
1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to
live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of
Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she
could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years,
long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and
survivor.
Cheers,
Santosh
floriano
2009-12-06 06:02:53 UTC
Permalink
Absolutely well said, Santosh.

I was concentrating more on the cancers and the heart attacks that the other
ones you mentioned quite slipped by me. And there was rabies and septics
and more precariously, the snake bites.

I am well informed today.

And I am an eager beever for learning for I believe that one can learn even
moments before one breaths one's last.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Santosh Helekar
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance
about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and
the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used
to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die
from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see
40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer
were in addition naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25
years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums -
Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In
1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to
live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of
Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she
could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years,
long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and
survivor.
Cheers,
Santosh
floriano
2009-12-06 06:02:53 UTC
Permalink
Absolutely well said, Santosh.

I was concentrating more on the cancers and the heart attacks that the other
ones you mentioned quite slipped by me. And there was rabies and septics
and more precariously, the snake bites.

I am well informed today.

And I am an eager beever for learning for I believe that one can learn even
moments before one breaths one's last.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896

----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Santosh Helekar
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance
about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and
the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used
to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die
from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see
40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer
were in addition naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25
years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums -
Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In
1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to
live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of
Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she
could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years,
long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and
survivor.
Cheers,
Santosh
Mario Goveia
2009-12-05 20:01:51 UTC
Permalink
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Mario's random thoughts on the end of life:

Floriano,

Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who got the fat.

Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87. I'm hoping I take after the latter.

Regarding past dietary practices how many times did someone keel over and you would hear people at the funeral shake their heads sagely and say, "I don't know what happened, murre, he was never sick a day in his life!" Actually, the poor bug..., ...er, chap, was a dead man walking and didn't even know it.

Here is what I realized when I came face to face with my own mortality a few years ago. The minute you are born, you begin to die. The only questions are when and where. When San Pedro gets his daily computer printout each morning and your name's on it, it's "Hasta la vista, baby!" If your names not on it you could fall out of an airplane, or have clogged arteries being treated with coconut oil and vauchi baaji and large quantities of water, and he wont let you in:-))

Of course I'm kidding here because a good coroner will be able to tell your family precisely what killed you and what you could have done to prolong your life, or if it was incurable. Of course finding out what you could have done from your own autopsy doesn't help you any, now does it?

The only benefit of dying from cancer, if I may be blunt, is that one has some advance warning and can get their affairs in order before checking out. I had contingency plans for a world tour and a big party on my way out. When you have the time and energy, might as well go out in style is my philosophy.

In your case, I think you have either been misdiagnosed or ancillary passages have developed around your blockages, which I believe has been known to happen. I'm not sure why you were not a candidate for bypass surgery years ago. I'm not familiar with the medications that were prescribed and you have refused to take. In the US I'm sure you would be have been prescribed Lipitor years ago to bring down your cholesterol level and try and reverse your heart disease. You would also be a candidate for a heart transplant which would give you a new functioning pump and entirely new plumbing.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure one of our real doctors will correct me now that they have had time to get back up and collect themselves:-))
floriano
2009-12-06 05:57:00 UTC
Permalink
Mario,
Many thanks.

And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12
bots of Angioprim from the USA.
And I hope to get a few more months so that I can clear my desk and the
backlog which needs time :-))
[I have been really messy with things, especially my tables and work desk
and if at all I am santa grey it is because of the nagging on this front
from my better half
My justification to her is that I had people to clean out my desks and cabin
on the ships for 27 years]

I guess things that need to be cleared needs my sole attention and therefory
I am applying myself. And btw this does not include 'goasuraj'. It is
clean/spic and span and shining as hell ; not like India Shining though
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896





----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra
oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high
LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)).
Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me
please??
Floriano,
Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then
ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive
qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who
got the fat.
Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions
which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A
factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I
have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in
British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87.
I'm hoping I take after the latter.
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 22:40:25 UTC
Permalink
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident?in Canada?should be deprived of?first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical?needs?and medicines?are provided free of charge.
Let me add that?this is?guaranteed i.e.?regardless of your?medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
floriano
2009-12-07 07:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Dear Merv,
Thanks but no thanks.
I decided against settling down in Canada or anywhere else a long time ago
after having visited most of the countries in the world as a shippy. The
call from home was over-powering and I do not regret it a bit. However, I do
not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor
state and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries
for its chosen ones. I have tried to force myself to be chosen on a couple
of occasions without luck :-))

Such expectations will have to wait till (hopefully) goasuraj has the say in
the matter of things in my state.

As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is
concerned, you may be right. However, you must take note that my brother who
lives in Missisauga has successfully grown patoi'eamche khole' and has made
and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a tough time to
send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for
12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be
deprived of first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or
coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your
favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
floriano
2009-12-07 07:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Dear Merv,
Thanks but no thanks.
I decided against settling down in Canada or anywhere else a long time ago
after having visited most of the countries in the world as a shippy. The
call from home was over-powering and I do not regret it a bit. However, I do
not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor
state and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries
for its chosen ones. I have tried to force myself to be chosen on a couple
of occasions without luck :-))

Such expectations will have to wait till (hopefully) goasuraj has the say in
the matter of things in my state.

As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is
concerned, you may be right. However, you must take note that my brother who
lives in Missisauga has successfully grown patoi'eamche khole' and has made
and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a tough time to
send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for
12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be
deprived of first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or
coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your
favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
floriano
2009-12-07 07:08:52 UTC
Permalink
Dear Merv,
Thanks but no thanks.
I decided against settling down in Canada or anywhere else a long time ago
after having visited most of the countries in the world as a shippy. The
call from home was over-powering and I do not regret it a bit. However, I do
not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor
state and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries
for its chosen ones. I have tried to force myself to be chosen on a couple
of occasions without luck :-))

Such expectations will have to wait till (hopefully) goasuraj has the say in
the matter of things in my state.

As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is
concerned, you may be right. However, you must take note that my brother who
lives in Missisauga has successfully grown patoi'eamche khole' and has made
and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a tough time to
send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by floriano
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for
12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be
deprived of first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or
coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your
favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 22:40:25 UTC
Permalink
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident?in Canada?should be deprived of?first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical?needs?and medicines?are provided free of charge.
Let me add that?this is?guaranteed i.e.?regardless of your?medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 22:40:25 UTC
Permalink
And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12 bots of Angioprim from the USA.
floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.


This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident?in Canada?should be deprived of?first class medical attention.


As such, all your medical?needs?and medicines?are provided free of charge.
Let me add that?this is?guaranteed i.e.?regardless of your?medical history.


Mervyn1161Lobo
PS. The down side to living in Canada is that you cannot grow spinach or coconuts in your backyard.


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
floriano
2009-12-06 05:57:00 UTC
Permalink
Mario,
Many thanks.

And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12
bots of Angioprim from the USA.
And I hope to get a few more months so that I can clear my desk and the
backlog which needs time :-))
[I have been really messy with things, especially my tables and work desk
and if at all I am santa grey it is because of the nagging on this front
from my better half
My justification to her is that I had people to clean out my desks and cabin
on the ships for 27 years]

I guess things that need to be cleared needs my sole attention and therefory
I am applying myself. And btw this does not include 'goasuraj'. It is
clean/spic and span and shining as hell ; not like India Shining though
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896





----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra
oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high
LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)).
Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me
please??
Floriano,
Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then
ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive
qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who
got the fat.
Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions
which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A
factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I
have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in
British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87.
I'm hoping I take after the latter.
floriano
2009-12-06 05:57:00 UTC
Permalink
Mario,
Many thanks.

And yes, I am on vauchi baaji because I basically have no $799 to pay for 12
bots of Angioprim from the USA.
And I hope to get a few more months so that I can clear my desk and the
backlog which needs time :-))
[I have been really messy with things, especially my tables and work desk
and if at all I am santa grey it is because of the nagging on this front
from my better half
My justification to her is that I had people to clean out my desks and cabin
on the ships for 27 years]

I guess things that need to be cleared needs my sole attention and therefory
I am applying myself. And btw this does not include 'goasuraj'. It is
clean/spic and span and shining as hell ; not like India Shining though
:-))

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896





----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Mario Goveia
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra
oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high
LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)).
Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me
please??
Floriano,
Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then
ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive
qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who
got the fat.
Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions
which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A
factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I
have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in
British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87.
I'm hoping I take after the latter.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 21:59:21 UTC
Permalink
Folks,

As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 03:52:25 UTC
Permalink
Santosh Helekar wrote:?
Post by Santosh Helekar
As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission
to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education
to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Doc,
Can you put diabetes near the top of your list please?
There are enough rice eaters here to make this of importance.
And especially so to those who are borderline and/or those who will develop the disease.

Mervyn1161Lobo


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Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 03:52:25 UTC
Permalink
Santosh Helekar wrote:?
Post by Santosh Helekar
As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission
to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education
to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Doc,
Can you put diabetes near the top of your list please?
There are enough rice eaters here to make this of importance.
And especially so to those who are borderline and/or those who will develop the disease.

Mervyn1161Lobo


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Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-06 03:52:25 UTC
Permalink
Santosh Helekar wrote:?
Post by Santosh Helekar
As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission
to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education
to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Doc,
Can you put diabetes near the top of your list please?
There are enough rice eaters here to make this of importance.
And especially so to those who are borderline and/or those who will develop the disease.

Mervyn1161Lobo


__________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now
http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Mario Goveia
2009-12-07 06:00:16 UTC
Permalink
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>

floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.

This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention.

As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.

Mario observes:

Mervyn is absolutely correct. Medical treatment in Canada is guaranteed. WHEN you will be treated is not:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/canadian-healthcare-cracking-multiple-months-waiting-list-just-see-doctor

You may end up in the US for your "Canadian" health care:-))

http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-07 08:47:47 UTC
Permalink
While we got derailed over the earlier debate, I'm really curious to know
whether Virgin Coconut Oil is in any way healthier than oil extracted via
the usual coconut-copra method. FN
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Nascy Caldeira
2009-12-10 03:19:32 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Santosh,
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic etc.

OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense??


Cheers!
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing
but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of
choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never
know.
Post by floriano
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve
this puzzle for me please??
------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results
from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state
of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when
Indians were finally able to die free, they could only
expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was
liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class
Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive
beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart
attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average
for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a
cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
Santosh
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Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-10 19:41:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Nascy Caldeira" <nascycal at yahoo.com.au>
<<Thanks Santosh,
Post by Nascy Caldeira
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible
to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic.
OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with
others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense?
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young.
Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced
today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors.
People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for
long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of
self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical
systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows
about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by Nascy Caldeira
------------------------------
There is no such puzzle... In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
...the expectancy of a human being in
Post by Nascy Caldeira
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers...
marlon menezes
2009-12-10 16:38:45 UTC
Permalink
Dear Dr/Fr. Ivo, President Floriano and St. Fred:

Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water. Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!

When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.

There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.


With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.

Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue blood, your miracle cure awaits you!

Amen.

Marlon





----- Original Message ----
From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>

***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors. People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
floriano
2009-12-11 13:39:48 UTC
Permalink
I am sure Marlon here has spent sleepless nights (ED) drafting this classic
text with a combination that is just super-intellectual.
Maybe we could use the emulsified VCO on Marlon and watch him turning
purple-blue with throbbing ESF (erectile super function)
:-))
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: Holy water no problem. I have a spring connected direct to Fatima (in
Portugal) to my well here in Goa. And I have a lot of coconut palms that
this well is servicing. Therefore there is no need for much large scale
emulsification.

----- Original Message -----
From: "marlon menezes" <goacom at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with
Holywater
------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/
Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water.
Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of
virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the
combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction
parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with
the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after
all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness
associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil
... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one
can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of
emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all
it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct
clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction
(ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank
that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of
Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested
corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution
will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
floriano
2009-12-11 13:39:48 UTC
Permalink
I am sure Marlon here has spent sleepless nights (ED) drafting this classic
text with a combination that is just super-intellectual.
Maybe we could use the emulsified VCO on Marlon and watch him turning
purple-blue with throbbing ESF (erectile super function)
:-))
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: Holy water no problem. I have a spring connected direct to Fatima (in
Portugal) to my well here in Goa. And I have a lot of coconut palms that
this well is servicing. Therefore there is no need for much large scale
emulsification.

----- Original Message -----
From: "marlon menezes" <goacom at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with
Holywater
------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/
Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water.
Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of
virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the
combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction
parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with
the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after
all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness
associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil
... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one
can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of
emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all
it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct
clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction
(ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank
that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of
Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested
corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution
will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
floriano
2009-12-11 13:39:48 UTC
Permalink
I am sure Marlon here has spent sleepless nights (ED) drafting this classic
text with a combination that is just super-intellectual.
Maybe we could use the emulsified VCO on Marlon and watch him turning
purple-blue with throbbing ESF (erectile super function)
:-))
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

PS: Holy water no problem. I have a spring connected direct to Fatima (in
Portugal) to my well here in Goa. And I have a lot of coconut palms that
this well is servicing. Therefore there is no need for much large scale
emulsification.

----- Original Message -----
From: "marlon menezes" <goacom at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with
Holywater
------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/
Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water.
Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of
virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the
combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction
parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with
the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after
all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness
associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil
... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one
can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of
emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all
it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct
clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction
(ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank
that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of
Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested
corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution
will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
marlon menezes
2009-12-10 16:38:45 UTC
Permalink
Dear Dr/Fr. Ivo, President Floriano and St. Fred:

Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water. Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!

When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.

There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.


With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.

Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue blood, your miracle cure awaits you!

Amen.

Marlon





----- Original Message ----
From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>

***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors. People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
marlon menezes
2009-12-10 16:38:45 UTC
Permalink
Dear Dr/Fr. Ivo, President Floriano and St. Fred:

Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water. Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing!

When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being "virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended.

There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness.


With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection.

Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue blood, your miracle cure awaits you!

Amen.

Marlon





----- Original Message ----
From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>

***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors. People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-10 19:41:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Nascy Caldeira" <nascycal at yahoo.com.au>
<<Thanks Santosh,
Post by Nascy Caldeira
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible
to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic.
OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with
others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense?
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young.
Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced
today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors.
People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for
long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of
self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical
systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows
about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by Nascy Caldeira
------------------------------
There is no such puzzle... In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
...the expectancy of a human being in
Post by Nascy Caldeira
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers...
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-10 19:41:35 UTC
Permalink
From: "Nascy Caldeira" <nascycal at yahoo.com.au>
<<Thanks Santosh,
Post by Nascy Caldeira
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible
to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic.
OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with
others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense?
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
***People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die young.
Statistics will not give us accurately the data. True, medicine has advanced
today by leaps and bounds. Yet there are limitations and other risk factors.
People die young. Old people who have preserved themselves well can live for
long (90 and more), not because of modern medicine, but because of
self-care. Modern medicine helps, as well as homeopathy and other medical
systems, and careful diet, prayer and peaceful environment. No one knows
about the future.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Post by Nascy Caldeira
------------------------------
There is no such puzzle... In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
...the expectancy of a human being in
Post by Nascy Caldeira
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers...
Mario Goveia
2009-12-10 15:42:37 UTC
Permalink
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800
From: "Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in>

Statistics will not give us accurately the data.

Mario observes:

Of course not.

For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr. Ivo:-))
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-10 20:00:03 UTC
Permalink
"Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in> : " Statistics will not give us
accurately the data."


RESPONSE:

I agree with Fr Ivo.

Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
But good data will give us accurate statistics.


A cow will not give us a glass of human milk
But a human could give us a glass of cow's milk.


Fr. Ivo, would you please restrict you public statements to your
specialty i.e. religion ?

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-13 07:23:25 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800
Post by Mario Goveia
From: "Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
Of course not. For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr.
Ivo:-))
***Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have
achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Statistics
given by medical scientists are to be correctly interpreted, not only
mentioned.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-10 20:00:03 UTC
Permalink
"Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in> : " Statistics will not give us
accurately the data."


RESPONSE:

I agree with Fr Ivo.

Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
But good data will give us accurate statistics.


A cow will not give us a glass of human milk
But a human could give us a glass of cow's milk.


Fr. Ivo, would you please restrict you public statements to your
specialty i.e. religion ?

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-13 07:23:25 UTC
Permalink
From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800
Post by Mario Goveia
From: "Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
Of course not. For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr.
Ivo:-))
***Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have
achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Statistics
given by medical scientists are to be correctly interpreted, not only
mentioned.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )
2009-12-10 20:00:03 UTC
Permalink
"Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in> : " Statistics will not give us
accurately the data."


RESPONSE:

I agree with Fr Ivo.

Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
But good data will give us accurate statistics.


A cow will not give us a glass of human milk
But a human could give us a glass of cow's milk.


Fr. Ivo, would you please restrict you public statements to your
specialty i.e. religion ?

jc
Ivo da C.Souza
2009-12-13 07:23:25 UTC
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From: "Mario Goveia" <mgoveia at sbcglobal.net>
Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:35 -0800
Post by Mario Goveia
From: "Ivo da C.Souza" <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
Of course not. For accurate data we need to consult a homoeopathist or Fr.
Ivo:-))
***Homeopaths are not giving you statistics of the cures that they have
achieved so far. They go on curing people without any fuss... Statistics
given by medical scientists are to be correctly interpreted, not only
mentioned.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-10 18:06:53 UTC
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Post by Ivo da C.Souza
People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die >young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
In addition to scientific illiteracy, we are faced with the problem of innumeracy, a term that was coined by one of my favorite Scientific American columnists, Douglas Hofstadter, and popularized by the eminent mathematician John Allen Poulos. Innumeracy is a form of mathematical illiteracy - a failure to grasp even simple mathematical and statistical facts, as well as the significance of hard numbers staring at one's face.

You might ask:

How can someone not believe in the accuracy of the fact that the life expectancy in India has risen to 70 years from a unchanging low of 25 years before 1920, a time when all we could rely on, was unscientific rituals like homeopathy and ayurveda, and prescientific quack medicine?

The answer is simple. The people who do so do not really care about genuine accuracy and objective facts. They simply go by their emotions, subjective feelings, preconceived ideologies and religious beliefs. In short, the world they live in is a make-believe world that transcends physical reality.

Cheers,

Santosh
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-11 18:33:58 UTC
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Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
This work is supported by the Pandurang Project.

The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-12 11:58:36 UTC
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Dear Santosh,
???? Your suggestion that feni should also be introduced into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni should obviously be made from?coconut palms, preferably from the very same trees whose nuts are turned into the coconut oil being used. Of course, since caju/cashew feni has its ardent adherents,?a separate product could also be developed.
???? Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
???? I?now urge all those interested in this project to seize this splendid business opportunity and?begin production, testing, and distribution right away, since the numbers of toddy tappers are fast declining, and it will be years and years before there are enough dwarf coconut trees to meet the worldwide demand! Besides, if we delay, Kerala could get into the act; where would we be then?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
????
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:33 PM



Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
This work is supported by the Pandurang Project.

The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
? ? ?
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-12 13:52:15 UTC
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Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used. (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
--
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Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-12 13:52:15 UTC
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Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used. (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
--
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Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-12 13:52:15 UTC
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Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used. (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
--
Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490
Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-13 03:50:29 UTC
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Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of >the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, >vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water >formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note >that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer >either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
Dear Victorbab,

Since we are marketing them under holy homeopathy, no need for clinical trials or evidence. All we need is a good publicist, preferably, an independent journalist/activist who has achieved independence from the truth and mastered the art of fact-free propaganda. He will be able to fabricate whatever fictional narrative we need to publicize this profit-making capitalist enterprise, disguising it as an agrarian populist cause of liberation of the poor oppressed eastern minorities.

Cheers,

Santosh
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-13 13:18:04 UTC
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My dear Frederick,
???? This is a fine example of the usefulness of ignorance---in the end, it serves to expand knowledge! My ignorance of the uses of coconut trees led you to enlighten not just me, but the billions of others around the world who don't even know what a coconut tree looks like.
???? It also makes us aware of the next scientific challenge: How to develop a coconut tree that can be used both for its nuts and for making feni!
???? Obviously, anyone who achieves that scientific milestone will be in the running for the Nobel Prize.
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 8:52 AM



Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used.? (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
--
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Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-02 17:41:54 UTC
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Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.

Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.

Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa

Rgds, FN
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floriano
2009-12-03 11:28:35 UTC
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Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet
(my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation
Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to
be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and
supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut
Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is
already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil).

This information you have given does not touch even a tip of the iceberg
about the virtues of this VCO. (Cold pressed)
FYI, I am actually drinking VCO three times a day apart from using only VCO
as a cooking medium at home. Have long back thrown the market oils out of my
kitchen.

I do have a few bottles [1 litre] with me (had purchased a dozzen). Costs
Rs. 350/bot.

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

I can put you on to the guy who has done heavy research on this VCO and who
is promoting it in Goa after having painstakingly found the source of
genuine VCO. This brand of VCO is coming from Kerala.

BTW: I have recently given one bottle to a senior citizen/friend in Panjim
who can't make the medical tests for the Canadian Visa. VCO is believed to
help with Diabetes as with most viruses including CYTOMEGALOVIRUS ( the
shell based virus like the HIV virus which is the cause of most Heart
attacks). It is believed that lauric acid has the potential to penetrate the
shell of the virus and render it dead which most modern drug cannot do.

BTW 2: VCO is not produced in Goa.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fn at goa-india.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.
Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.
Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa
Rgds, FN
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Cecil Pinto
2009-12-04 07:51:17 UTC
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Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil

===========
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 04:02:47 UTC
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Dear Fr. Ivo,
???? Your quite?lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the omission was, and why you did it?
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in> wrote:


From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Subject: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:49 PM


A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees, or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB". St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the Gospel, a founder of
Christian communities.

His Life:

? ? ? ???Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical languages? (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530, and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to "debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre, Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India, Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the Brief of Paul III he was appointed the? "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

? ? On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa, where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very compassionate and ready to help.? After getting down on the banks of the river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque.? He explained that he had been sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the? "salvation of the unbelievers".? He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized ("gentios") would perish unconditionally.? He showed him the papal letters accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I, 124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant lands and among so???many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace, but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus. He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison? ("Cadeia", situated in a place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general confession.

? ? The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts, corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults, indigenous children and slaves.

? ? Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using simple, easy words.

? ? ???Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained. There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy of good quality.

? ? ???After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa? (1542-1545) to proceed to Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of 1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to Tuticorin.

? ? ? After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul? ('Seminary of Holy Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15, 1552.

? ? ? ???He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine, satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

? ? ? ? He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February 17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

? ? ? ? On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis? in 1622, his body was taken to the Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

? ? ? ? Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years, seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East, called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae
Xavierii, I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people, whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive? (cf. The Letters and Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15, 1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier.? His Life,? His? Times, II, 406-410; Monumenta? Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii, Aliaque Eius Scripta,? I, 160-167).

? ? ? Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from calamities through his intercession.

? ? There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho". There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 14:42:27 UTC
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floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson (the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:13:30 -0500
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

Mario asks:

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know they are not "the same", but do they share some DNA perhaps:-))?

Jose wrote:

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

Mario observes:

Fred is the only one allowed flame baits and OFF TOPIC posts on Goanet:-))

While imbibing drug cocktails I have also heard that Magic Johnson is staying away from cocktail waitresses and others claiming to be "virgins" unlike the bad old days that landed him in his predicament in the first place:-))

Moral of Magic's experience, which he will tell you himself, "Stay away from the gratuitous activity that causes HIV/AIDS in the first place, and if you can't be good, be careful"

HIV doesn't come looking for you like other pandemics. Unless you are born with it you have to work quite hard to get it. Accidents like blood transfusions may happen but are very rare any more.

Floriano wrote:

In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune

Mario observes:

Floriano, the last time I checked, JC is a REAL doctor, who gets his information from credible medical journals and not from Youtube videos selling food supplements.

I wonder if the producers of the Youtube video would be interested in doing a scientific study on whether VCO affects HIV/AIDS? If they are we have a scientist right here on Goanet that they can use.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 15:45:56 UTC
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The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world, but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went
searching goanet (my sent archives)? where I had
written about the deadly Hydrogenation Process of oils to
enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to be
the Hitler's Gassing Chambers? de novo through our
grocery stores and supermarkets. And I had mentioned the
virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut Oil] which is now
replacing the good old Goan Copra? Coconut oil ( which
is already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before
extracting the oil).
augusto pinto
2009-12-04 17:17:48 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 20:07:32 UTC
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You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact." The sentence should have begun with the little word, "In". I assume I left it out because I was in a hurry to get the message out. It was an honest mistake, and no harm was done. You not only understood it, but you supplied the answer to my question.
???? Fr. Ivo, on the other hand, left out a key fact about Saint Francis Xavier that affected life in Goa for 250 years. Why did?Fr.Ivo?do it? I would like him to explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com> wrote:


From: augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 12:17 PM


On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 18:47:46 UTC
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Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact, she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of? our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies? do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to? get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 18:51:06 UTC
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PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Mario observes:

Floriano,

My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in hand":-))

Floriano writes:

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

Mario responds:

Saiba boggus! Are you calling the doctors at GMC stupid? The very doctors who may have to treat you some day? Perhaps even for rabies? Even a layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))

BTW, did you tell the doctors at GMC that, in your medical opinion, "all manifestations were of rabies" for the last 25 years?

Floriano wrote:

the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist.

Mario observes:

Makes sense. Let's shut them all down and save all that money since all we need is water, virgin coconut oil, aloe vera, flaxseed oil, cottage cheese and vauchi baaji.

But wait. Why should a pharmaceutical company do research on stuff they don't sell? If they do they will be accused of bias. Shouldn't the people who sell those things do the research?

Do you sell houses and let others build the house and collect the payments?

Floriano wrote:

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it??

Mario responds:

I hate to tell you this, re, but anyone with a typewriter and the cost of postage can nominate someone for a Nobel Prize. I thought everyone learned that when the world was shocked that President Obama could be awarded a Nobel prize for nothing from a nomination that had to be made before he even got elected. How do you like that, hanh?!

The only way the world would "go bust" due to Dr. Budwig is if she were to successfully put her remedies through the same test as real medicines.

Until then, her friends can continue to nominate her till the proverbial cows come home and nothing further will come of it, because her skin is not black like President Obama's, so she gets no special points in the Nobel committee's affirmative action or reservations programs:-))

Floriano wrote:

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Mario responds:

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. The Saudis don't have enough money to buy anyone who has a real alternative auto technology to compete with the gasoline engine right now. The folks at Reva in Bangalore would love for someone to buy them out.

Floriano wrote:

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother (if she is still living) what home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Mario responds:

Please let's keep Cecil's Granny out of this. I doubt he allowed her to use Aloe Vera either.

Floriano writes:

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day by day thro god knows what pollution.

Mario responds:

When only God knows, you can safely blame it on global warming:-))

Floriano wrote:

I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings down the blood homocysteine.

Mario responds:

I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo, and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))

Floriano wrote:

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

Mario responds:

I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))

Floriano wrote:

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....

Mario responds:

Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges, for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not much, just a little.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 18:08:38 UTC
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Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.

Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2009-12-05 20:01:51 UTC
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Mario's random thoughts on the end of life:

Floriano,

Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who got the fat.

Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87. I'm hoping I take after the latter.

Regarding past dietary practices how many times did someone keel over and you would hear people at the funeral shake their heads sagely and say, "I don't know what happened, murre, he was never sick a day in his life!" Actually, the poor bug..., ...er, chap, was a dead man walking and didn't even know it.

Here is what I realized when I came face to face with my own mortality a few years ago. The minute you are born, you begin to die. The only questions are when and where. When San Pedro gets his daily computer printout each morning and your name's on it, it's "Hasta la vista, baby!" If your names not on it you could fall out of an airplane, or have clogged arteries being treated with coconut oil and vauchi baaji and large quantities of water, and he wont let you in:-))

Of course I'm kidding here because a good coroner will be able to tell your family precisely what killed you and what you could have done to prolong your life, or if it was incurable. Of course finding out what you could have done from your own autopsy doesn't help you any, now does it?

The only benefit of dying from cancer, if I may be blunt, is that one has some advance warning and can get their affairs in order before checking out. I had contingency plans for a world tour and a big party on my way out. When you have the time and energy, might as well go out in style is my philosophy.

In your case, I think you have either been misdiagnosed or ancillary passages have developed around your blockages, which I believe has been known to happen. I'm not sure why you were not a candidate for bypass surgery years ago. I'm not familiar with the medications that were prescribed and you have refused to take. In the US I'm sure you would be have been prescribed Lipitor years ago to bring down your cholesterol level and try and reverse your heart disease. You would also be a candidate for a heart transplant which would give you a new functioning pump and entirely new plumbing.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure one of our real doctors will correct me now that they have had time to get back up and collect themselves:-))
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 21:59:21 UTC
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Folks,

As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2009-12-07 06:00:16 UTC
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>

floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.

This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention.

As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.

Mario observes:

Mervyn is absolutely correct. Medical treatment in Canada is guaranteed. WHEN you will be treated is not:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/canadian-healthcare-cracking-multiple-months-waiting-list-just-see-doctor

You may end up in the US for your "Canadian" health care:-))

http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-07 08:47:47 UTC
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While we got derailed over the earlier debate, I'm really curious to know
whether Virgin Coconut Oil is in any way healthier than oil extracted via
the usual coconut-copra method. FN
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Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-07 17:15:03 UTC
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However, I do not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor state
and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries for its chosen ones.?
floriano,
I agree with you in regards to the "chosen ones." I am especially glad that?the Goa Govt has
the money to sponsor the vacations of half a dozen young Canadians every year.
As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is concerned, you may be right.
However, you must take note that my brother who lives in Missisauga has successfully grown
patoi'eamche khole' and has made and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a
tough time to send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-))
Yes, it does take a few years for?immigrants to understand that?the laws here are to protect residents
and the Canadian economy. For example, if you bring Goan sausages into Canada, the customs officer
will don on gloves, pick the sausages out of your bag and put both the sausages and gloves into an
incinerator.?The same guys will actually snatch?an apple from a baby's hands and drop it into the same
incinerator. In both cases, this is done to protect diseases from?spreading into and devastating the
Canadian economy.



Despite this, people still try to circumnavigate the law. Some learn about Canadian laws only
when they are given hefty fines for failing to comply. On the?other hand, businessmen have found out
the hard way that there is a limit to how many people you can fool in a literate society. The health section
of the newspapers here keep their readers updated?on the latest advances of medical sciences. In addition,
when a cause for any disease becomes know, the Govt, i.e.?the guarantor of public health, will disseminate
the info in a way that it reaches all those in the high risk category. This is done because it is always more
cost effective to prevent a disease?than to?pay for its treatment.



As an example,?the Canadian Govt targets those?whose origins are in the Indian sub-continent by informing
them that, because of their diet, they?are in the high risk category for?high blood pressure,?heart and cardio-
vascular diseases. Poly saturates, found in coconut oil, is about the worst food for those with high cholesterol
levels. To make this simple to understand, if coconut oil was beneficial, it would command premium prices.
?
?
Virgin coconut oil would be snapped up by the multi-nationals, patented, and marketed using brand names.
?
?
Mervyn Lobo
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the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be
battered down. Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the
sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order
that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused.
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augusto pinto
2009-12-07 10:21:50 UTC
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I wish to state that it is a falsity that coconut oil has anything to do
with preserving anyone's virginity. Ask any Dotor.

As the Bohemian Dotor will no doubt agree, this is a totally false and
misleading statement that the famous bondollam marpi alias journo is
feeding to the gullible goanet readership. No virgin. he will aver. has ever
retained it after having a nice ... whatever ... either by cooking her food
in coconut oil, or by using it to ...

I am also sure that the American Dotor will refute the scientific basis
behind this canard in scholarly terms quoting at least 14 websites and the
thread will persist for 14 generations after a learned Padri asserts that
natural family planning methods are better than virgin oil.

Finally the Ingineiro Dotor will prove that it is just a ruse to promote a
new book about coconuts regarding a certain master craftsman Vijaydatta
Lotlikar's fortcoming book 'The Art of Coconut Craft' which is to be
released on December 7, 2009 (Monday) at the Institute Menezes Braganza art
gallery at 4 pm. And that Ghantis migrating into Goa thus rendering all
Renders redundant are the root cause of virgins losing it to them.

Personally I think that any publicity is good publicity and virgins are the
best.

Cheers
Augusto
--
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40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
Nascy Caldeira
2009-12-10 03:19:32 UTC
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Thanks Santosh,
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic etc.

OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense??


Cheers!
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing
but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of
choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never
know.
Post by floriano
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve
this puzzle for me please??
------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results
from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state
of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when
Indians were finally able to die free, they could only
expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was
liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class
Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive
beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart
attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average
for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a
cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
Santosh
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2009-12-10 18:06:53 UTC
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Post by Ivo da C.Souza
People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die >young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
In addition to scientific illiteracy, we are faced with the problem of innumeracy, a term that was coined by one of my favorite Scientific American columnists, Douglas Hofstadter, and popularized by the eminent mathematician John Allen Poulos. Innumeracy is a form of mathematical illiteracy - a failure to grasp even simple mathematical and statistical facts, as well as the significance of hard numbers staring at one's face.

You might ask:

How can someone not believe in the accuracy of the fact that the life expectancy in India has risen to 70 years from a unchanging low of 25 years before 1920, a time when all we could rely on, was unscientific rituals like homeopathy and ayurveda, and prescientific quack medicine?

The answer is simple. The people who do so do not really care about genuine accuracy and objective facts. They simply go by their emotions, subjective feelings, preconceived ideologies and religious beliefs. In short, the world they live in is a make-believe world that transcends physical reality.

Cheers,

Santosh
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-11 18:33:58 UTC
Permalink
Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
This work is supported by the Pandurang Project.

The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-12 11:58:36 UTC
Permalink
Dear Santosh,
???? Your suggestion that feni should also be introduced into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni should obviously be made from?coconut palms, preferably from the very same trees whose nuts are turned into the coconut oil being used. Of course, since caju/cashew feni has its ardent adherents,?a separate product could also be developed.
???? Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
???? I?now urge all those interested in this project to seize this splendid business opportunity and?begin production, testing, and distribution right away, since the numbers of toddy tappers are fast declining, and it will be years and years before there are enough dwarf coconut trees to meet the worldwide demand! Besides, if we delay, Kerala could get into the act; where would we be then?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
????
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:33 PM



Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
This work is supported by the Pandurang Project.

The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
? ? ?
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-13 03:50:29 UTC
Permalink
Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of >the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, >vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water >formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note >that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer >either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
Dear Victorbab,

Since we are marketing them under holy homeopathy, no need for clinical trials or evidence. All we need is a good publicist, preferably, an independent journalist/activist who has achieved independence from the truth and mastered the art of fact-free propaganda. He will be able to fabricate whatever fictional narrative we need to publicize this profit-making capitalist enterprise, disguising it as an agrarian populist cause of liberation of the poor oppressed eastern minorities.

Cheers,

Santosh
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-13 13:18:04 UTC
Permalink
My dear Frederick,
???? This is a fine example of the usefulness of ignorance---in the end, it serves to expand knowledge! My ignorance of the uses of coconut trees led you to enlighten not just me, but the billions of others around the world who don't even know what a coconut tree looks like.
???? It also makes us aware of the next scientific challenge: How to develop a coconut tree that can be used both for its nuts and for making feni!
???? Obviously, anyone who achieves that scientific milestone will be in the running for the Nobel Prize.
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 8:52 AM



Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used.? (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
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Frederick Noronha
2009-12-02 17:41:54 UTC
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Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.

Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.

Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa

Rgds, FN
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floriano
2009-12-03 11:28:35 UTC
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Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet
(my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation
Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to
be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and
supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut
Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is
already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil).

This information you have given does not touch even a tip of the iceberg
about the virtues of this VCO. (Cold pressed)
FYI, I am actually drinking VCO three times a day apart from using only VCO
as a cooking medium at home. Have long back thrown the market oils out of my
kitchen.

I do have a few bottles [1 litre] with me (had purchased a dozzen). Costs
Rs. 350/bot.

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

I can put you on to the guy who has done heavy research on this VCO and who
is promoting it in Goa after having painstakingly found the source of
genuine VCO. This brand of VCO is coming from Kerala.

BTW: I have recently given one bottle to a senior citizen/friend in Panjim
who can't make the medical tests for the Canadian Visa. VCO is believed to
help with Diabetes as with most viruses including CYTOMEGALOVIRUS ( the
shell based virus like the HIV virus which is the cause of most Heart
attacks). It is believed that lauric acid has the potential to penetrate the
shell of the virus and render it dead which most modern drug cannot do.

BTW 2: VCO is not produced in Goa.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fn at goa-india.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.
Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.
Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa
Rgds, FN
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Cecil Pinto
2009-12-04 07:51:17 UTC
Permalink
Floriano Lobo wrote:
VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

-------------


The statement above is a blatant untruth.
Neither virgin coconut oil nor aloe vera can cure HIV.

Cheers!

Cecil

===========
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 04:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Dear Fr. Ivo,
???? Your quite?lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the omission was, and why you did it?
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in> wrote:


From: Ivo da C.Souza <icsouza at bsnl.in>
Subject: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:49 PM


A SAINT FOR ALL

*Fr.Ivo da Concei?ao Souza

Introduction:

Since my childhood I have heard about the devotion of the Goans for St.Francis Xavier. When I was seven-years old, I remember having kissed the feet of St.Francis in the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa with great devotion. Every year people flock for the novena and for the Feast of St.Francis. Both literate and illiterate people do admire him. People from Goa and from neighbouring states, whether they are Hindus, Muslims, Parsees, or Christians come to pay him homage. Young and old people have devotion for him. Although he was a son of his times and of his milieu, St.Francis continues still to inspire our people today. He is a 'model of holiness' in so far as he followed his Master, Jesus of Nazareth and worked for the society of that time according to his vocation and convictions. We are happy to have his yearly Feast. He continues to be known as "GOENCHO SAIB". St.Francis Xavier is the Patron of the East. He was an apostle of the Gospel, a founder of
Christian communities.

His Life:

? ? ? ???Francisco de Jassu Xavier was born on April 7, 1506, in the Castle of Javier (Xavier), in the kingdom of Navarre (now a province of Spain), of a noble family. His parents were Don Juan de Jassu y Alondo and Dona Maria de Azpilcueta y Aznarez de Sada. At the age of 19, Francis studied classical languages? (Latin and Greek), Rhetoric and Poetry, and Philosophy in the University of Paris, and was staying at the College of Santa Barbara, in Spain. He obtained Licenciate in Letters and Philosophy on March 15, 1530, and in the same year he lectured on Aristotle in the nearby College of Dormans-Beauvais, and took the Master's Degree.

As a student, he was well known as a high-jumper. But he was like a ship without a rudder. As he himself revealed to his host in Mylapore, Fr.Gaspar Coelho, in May-August 1545, he was in a bad company of classmates given to "debauchery", but he abstained himself from contact with women due to fear of "loathsome ulcers", which he saw in the master and pupils. He was also careful in matters of faith, threatened by Lutheranism.

On August 15, 1534, in the chapel of Saint-Dinis, on the slopes of Montmartre, in Paris, Francis together with Ignatius of Loyola, Peter Favre, Simon Rodrigues de Azevedo, James Laynez, Alphonsus Salmeron and Nicholas Bobadilla dedicated their life to the service of Christ, with the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. They went to Venice and wished to visit the Holy Land, but could not make it. Francis was ordained priest in Rome on June 24, 1537, and celebrated his First Mass in Vicenza, together with his companions, barring Ignatius of Loyola who offered his Mass on Christmas Day of 1538. They placed themselves at the disposal of the Holy Father. When the King of Portugal, Dom Joao III, asked Paul III to send priests to India, Francis was called to Rome. He was sent to Lisbon and from there with the Brief of Paul III he was appointed the? "Apostolic Nuncio" of Indies.

? ? On Abril 7, 1541, Francis Xavier embarked in Lisbon on his trip to Goa, where he arrived on May 6, 1542 by ship. During the journey, he was very compassionate and ready to help.? After getting down on the banks of the river Mandovi, he went to the Convent of St.Francis in Old Goa to greet the Bishop of Goa, D.Frey Juan de Albuquerque.? He explained that he had been sent by the Pope and the King of Portugal to work for the? "salvation of the unbelievers".? He was a victim of the belief that the unevangelized ("gentios") would perish unconditionally.? He showed him the papal letters accrediting him as an Apostolic Nuncio.

His Apostolic Method:

After his arrival to Goa, Francis wrote so enthusiatically to Rome: "After four months and more (of voyage from Mozambique) we reached India, Goa (I mean), a city entirely of Christians, cosa para ver, (Epistulae Xavierii, I, 124, n.5), a most remarkable thing--a thing to be seen". "It has a monastery with many friars of St.Francis, a very fine Cathedral with many canons, and many other churches. There is reason for giving many thanks to God our Lord on seeing how the name of Christ is flourishing so well in such distant lands and among so???many infidels" (EX, I, 121).

The Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa requested him to reside in his Palace, but Francis preferred to stay in the Royal Hospital ("Hospital Real"), where he dedicated himself to the sick and lepers of the Hospital of St.Lazarus. He was preaching and catechizing in the church of the Rosary. Penitents crowded to Francis for confession in the chapel of the hospital. In the old Cathedral of the Bishop, Francis baptized his neophytes. On weekdays, in the afternoon, Francis visited prisoners of the Prison? ("Cadeia", situated in a place in front of the Cathedral and the Palace of the Vice-Roys), taught them how to confess, and ordinarily heard them afterwards in general confession.

? ? The town was cosmopolitan, with about two lakhs of inhabitants. There were people from many lands: Europe, Africa, Ceylon, Malaya and China. Many of them were Christians, mostly ill instructed in their faith and shallow in its practice. Unfortunately several Portuguese in Goa had concubines and slaves at their disposal. There was a lot of injustice in the courts, corruption, and usury. Francis mixed up mainly with the Portuguese adults, indigenous children and slaves.

? ? Francis devised a new method to attract and instruct the people. He went up and down the streets and squares with a bell in his hand, calling children and adults for instruction. He began by singing the lessons, which he had rhymed (in his Catechism, prepared by a seminarian of St.Paul's College), and then made the children sing them, so that they might be better memorized. Afterwards he explained each point in the simplest way, using simple, easy words.

? ? ???Francis worked for a short time in Goa, around 18 months, but to his glory we must mention the College of St. Paul, where the clergy was trained. There were already in 1556 one hundred and ten boys in fourteen different national groups from all over Asia and Africa, including a few Portuguese boys. There were boys from Malabar, Kanara, the Deccan, Gujarat, Bengal and Pegu. There were Chinese, Japanese, Javanese, Malaccans (a veritable pentecostal multitude). He was concerned in preparing the indigenous clergy of good quality.

? ? ???After five months and ten days of apostolate in Goa, Francis was told by the Governor Martim Afonso de Sousa? (1542-1545) to proceed to Fishery Coast (Cape Comorin/Kanya Kumari). Towards the end of September of 1542, he took with him Francisco Mancias and two Indian students of the College of St.Paul and landed at Manappad in October 1542, and then went to Tuticorin.

? ? ? After spending one year and three months in the Fishery Coast and coming back to Goa on January 14, 1544, he went at the request of Pe.Mestre Diego de Borba to reside at the College of St.Paul? ('Seminary of Holy Faith'). In April 1545, he left Goa for Mylapore, where he wrote the Catechism in Tamil. In 1548 he was appointed Administrator of the College of St.Paul. On April 14, 1549, he left for Japan. He came back to Goa to deal with urgent matters in February of 1552. He went to Malacca on April 15, 1552.

? ? ? ???He would come back about seven times to Goa, but always on business and hurriedly. He remained in all a little more than 18 months in Goan soil. In the time of Francis there were two chapels, one of St.Antao and the other of St.Jerome. The Saint used to walk between them in meditation and ecstasy. On one of these occasions, according to a legend, he was heard saying while contemplating the Lord consoling him: "Satis, Domine, satis" ('Enough, Lord, enough'').

? ? ? ? He died in the island of Sangchwan (Sanchian), at the gate of China, after he became sick since November 21, 1552, with high fever. He reportedly desired his bones to be taken to Goa, which was the springboard of his missionary activity. Although four sacks of lime were used in order to hasten decomposition, it was found after two and half months, on February 17, 1553, that blood was coming out.

? ? ? ? On March 14, 1554, his coffin was brought, through the river Mandovi, to the Church of Our Lady of Ajuda, and on the following day the body of Francis was taken to the Church of the College of St.Paul. After the canonization of Padre-Mestre Francis? in 1622, his body was taken to the Church (raised to the category of Basilica in 1946) of Bom Jesus. Gregory XV canonized him on March 12, 1622.

His Mission:

? ? ? ? Francis Xavier is venerated as a Saint all over the East. Why is he so revered and honoured? Surely because of his generosity in sacrificing himself for the people during the short span of his life of forty-six years, seven months and twenty-six days, of which he had spent ten years, and seven months, minus four days, in Asia. He worked for the education and uplift of the poor and downtrodden of the East, from India to Japan. It was at Malacca that Francis came to know about Japan, as he himself states: "When I was in the city of Malacca, some Portuguese merchants of high standing brought me great news of certain very large islands recently discovered to the East, called the islands of Japan. In the opinion of these men, there would be better opportunities for the increase of our holy Faith there than anywhere in India, because the people have an eager desire for knowledge and instruction, which is not the case with the Indians" (Epistulae
Xavierii, I.391-392, quoted in P.Rayanna, The Life of St.Francis Xavier, p.116). He could see the difference between the Indians and the Japanese. He found the Indians, particularly the "Brahmans", cunning, exploiting the poor people, whereas the Japanese were simple and more responsive? (cf. The Letters and Instruction of Francis Xavier, trans.by M.Joseph Costelloe, Sj, p.69, in a letter written to companions living in Rome from Cochin, on January 15, 1544; G. Schurhammer, Francis Xavier.? His Life,? His? Times, II, 406-410; Monumenta? Missionum Societatis Jesu, Epistulae St.Francisci Xavierii, Aliaque Eius Scripta,? I, 160-167).

? ? ? Pius XI declared him in 1927 the Patron of the missionaries of the world. His 'sacred relics' are kept in a silver casket on an artistically carved marble mausoleum in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. St. Francis Xavier is the symbol of unity among peoples. We do believe that he delivers Goans from calamities through his intercession.

? ? There are some misunderstandings regarding the Saint: Francis Xavier contributed immensely to the evangelization of Goa by ushering in the Jesuit Society and bringing to us his missionary zeal. But it cannot be said that he was the first one to bring faith to our land, as the hymn Dev Amkam Zai goes: "Bhavart amcho nhoi aycho kalcho, / ponn Sam Fransisk Xavieracho". There have been here known and unknown harbingers of faith. Francis had no special gift of languages, but he worked hard to learn Konkani and Tamil.

Conclusion:

Francis Xavier was totally dedicated to his work, determined and firm in his convictions. He availed himself of his sharp mind, his ambition and his organizational skills for the upbuilding of the Kingdom of God. People of different creeds, races, cultures, rich and poor, young and old, come together on the occasion of his novena and feast and live as a family. May we grow in the Spirit through his example as a community of love!
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 14:42:27 UTC
Permalink
floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com> wrote:

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the
number one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it
but it seems Magic Johnson (the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured
of HIV simply by drinking VCO

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:13:30 -0500
From: "J. Colaco < jc>" <colaco1 at gmail.com>

My dear Floriano,

One of your many positive attributes is that you are Floriano Lobo,
and not a part of the 'patracar' crew which provided us with bondollam
like:

e: Bernado Colaco is the same as Jose Colaco

Mario asks:

Yeah, yeah, yeah! I know they are not "the same", but do they share some DNA perhaps:-))?

Jose wrote:

I regret to inform you that there are inaccuracies in your statement
(above) (I will ignore FN's puerile attempt at flame-baiting.)

For the record, Magic Johnson has been working with Glaxo (the makers
of Trizivir), and Abbot (the makers of Kaletra) and the AIDS
foundation to raise HIV awareness among African Americans. He has
publicly announced that he is on a HIV drug cocktail.

Mario observes:

Fred is the only one allowed flame baits and OFF TOPIC posts on Goanet:-))

While imbibing drug cocktails I have also heard that Magic Johnson is staying away from cocktail waitresses and others claiming to be "virgins" unlike the bad old days that landed him in his predicament in the first place:-))

Moral of Magic's experience, which he will tell you himself, "Stay away from the gratuitous activity that causes HIV/AIDS in the first place, and if you can't be good, be careful"

HIV doesn't come looking for you like other pandemics. Unless you are born with it you have to work quite hard to get it. Accidents like blood transfusions may happen but are very rare any more.

Floriano wrote:

In case you have not see this which I don't believe you have not.
www.youtube.com/smartimmune

Mario observes:

Floriano, the last time I checked, JC is a REAL doctor, who gets his information from credible medical journals and not from Youtube videos selling food supplements.

I wonder if the producers of the Youtube video would be interested in doing a scientific study on whether VCO affects HIV/AIDS? If they are we have a scientist right here on Goanet that they can use.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 15:45:56 UTC
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The post appended below contains bogus and dangerous information regarding coconut oil and human health and disease. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has issued a strong warning against irresponsible alternative medics who propagate these myths on the internet. Here is a copy of one such letter:

http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2006/mercola2.shtml

People ought to know that you can google all kinds of information on the internet. But to recognize whether the material that you are reading is authentic or not requires a certain level of literacy on the subject in question. A scientifically illiterate journalist or activist cannot tell the difference between scientific fact and fiction.

But what I am most disturbed about is the fact that there are individuals in this forum who have compromised their commitment to the truth for ideological reasons. In their cultural relativistic ideology, not only do they not care that there is such a thing as right and wrong in this world, but they are not the least concerned about the fact that they are misleading Goanetters on the most significant issues affecting their lives, namely public health and safety.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went
searching goanet (my sent archives)? where I had
written about the deadly Hydrogenation Process of oils to
enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to be
the Hitler's Gassing Chambers? de novo through our
grocery stores and supermarkets. And I had mentioned the
virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut Oil] which is now
replacing the good old Goan Copra? Coconut oil ( which
is already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before
extracting the oil).
augusto pinto
2009-12-04 17:17:48 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
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Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-04 20:07:32 UTC
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You are absolutely right, Augusto. There is something wrong with the sentence I wrote: "Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact." The sentence should have begun with the little word, "In". I assume I left it out because I was in a hurry to get the message out. It was an honest mistake, and no harm was done. You not only understood it, but you supplied the answer to my question.
???? Fr. Ivo, on the other hand, left out a key fact about Saint Francis Xavier that affected life in Goa for 250 years. Why did?Fr.Ivo?do it? I would like him to explain. May I suggest "suppressio veri"?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
--- On Fri, 12/4/09, augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com> wrote:


From: augusto pinto <pintogoa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] St.FrancisXavier
To: "goanet" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 12:17 PM


On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:02:47 -0800 (PST) Victor Rangel-Ribeiro <
vrangelrib at yahoo.com<http://in.mc940.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vrangelrib at yahoo.com>>
wrote:


Dear Fr. Ivo,
Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of Saint Francis
Xavier, you left out one important fact. Can you please tell us what the
omission was, and why you did it?
Regards,
Victor

Dear Victor,

Fr. Ivo won't answer you but my guess is that the answer to your question is
'The Inquisition'.

Incidentally my instinct tells me that there is there something wrong with
the sentence,"Your quite lengthy article on the life and achievements of
Saint Francis Xavier, you left out one important fact.'"

Can you please tell us what's wrong, and why you made the mistake?

Heh heh!!!

Cheers!
Augusto


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pintogoa at gmail.com or ypintogoa at yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-04 18:47:46 UTC
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Corrections of misconceptions contained in the post appended below are as follows:

1. Rabies does present as psychiatric illness in many cases because of the encephalitis that it produces. Indeed, on rare occasions it can manifest as severe depression.

2. There is no evidence that virgin coconut oil eliminates HIV from the body. These claims constitute unadulterated quackery.

3. Johanna Budwig has done no credible research to show that flaxseed oil and cottage cheese works as a remedy against any type of cancer. In fact, she has published nothing of substance in the medical literature. Quite predictably, she receives 7 canards on the Quackometer. Please see: http://www.quackometer.net/?suspectquack=Johanna+Budwig

Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel Prize. Indeed, quacks and irresponsible altermedics have made a habit of nominating each other. When they are turned down they claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy between the medical mafia and pharmaceutical drug cartel against them. Ideologically driven activists and gullible folk with tinfoil hats easily fall for such paranoid garbage.

Cheers,

Santosh
Post by floriano
Dear Jose,
In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have
left out the recent one that of? our GMC docs having
found out that the recent death in GMC attributed to rabies
came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't want to
comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me
as stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as
psychiatric when all manifestations were of rabies.
One sure way would be to ask Magic Johnson if he drinks
Virgin Coconut Oil.
And yes, the world of pharmaceutical companies? do
conduct potent research to come out with remedies for the
most common ills. But they ignore cheap natural God given
remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot
make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the
BIG pharmas cannot exist.
Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel
Prize for effective simple remedy to treat cancer with
flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination.
But she has failed to? get the prize. The world would
go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it?? And everyone
would run around to get hold of a pound of flaxseed from the
market, what is commonly called 'sondmia'm' in Konkani which
is rich in much sought after Omega 3 oil.
Mario Goveia
2009-12-04 18:51:06 UTC
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PS: When goasuraj takes Goa's High Command in hand, the first to get hit
are our dear dear doctors :-))
Mario observes:

Floriano,

My medical research informs me that to avoid HIV/AIDS one of the things you need to do is avoid, or be very careful, when taking anyone else "in hand":-))

Floriano writes:

In your long list of enumeration of classic flaws, you have left out the
recent one that of our GMC docs having found out that the recent death in
GMC attributed to rabies came about after 25 years of a dog bite. I don't
want to comment on the efficacy of this finding but what stikes me as
stupidity is that the patient was diagnosed as psychiatric when all
manifestations were of rabies.

Mario responds:

Saiba boggus! Are you calling the doctors at GMC stupid? The very doctors who may have to treat you some day? Perhaps even for rabies? Even a layman like me knows it doesn't take 25 years to die from rabies, except perhaps at GMC:-))

BTW, did you tell the doctors at GMC that, in your medical opinion, "all manifestations were of rabies" for the last 25 years?

Floriano wrote:

the world of pharmaceutical companies do conduct potent research
to come out with remedies for the most common ills. But they ignore cheap
natural God given remedies because they are cheaply available and one cannot make money over it. And if money cannot be made, then the BIG pharmas cannot exist.

Mario observes:

Makes sense. Let's shut them all down and save all that money since all we need is water, virgin coconut oil, aloe vera, flaxseed oil, cottage cheese and vauchi baaji.

But wait. Why should a pharmaceutical company do research on stuff they don't sell? If they do they will be accused of bias. Shouldn't the people who sell those things do the research?

Do you sell houses and let others build the house and collect the payments?

Floriano wrote:

Dr. Johanna Budwig has been nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize for
effective simple remedy to treat cancer with flaxseed oil and cottage cheese combination. But she has failed to get the prize. The world would go bust if she got the Nobel Prize, in'it??

Mario responds:

I hate to tell you this, re, but anyone with a typewriter and the cost of postage can nominate someone for a Nobel Prize. I thought everyone learned that when the world was shocked that President Obama could be awarded a Nobel prize for nothing from a nomination that had to be made before he even got elected. How do you like that, hanh?!

The only way the world would "go bust" due to Dr. Budwig is if she were to successfully put her remedies through the same test as real medicines.

Until then, her friends can continue to nominate her till the proverbial cows come home and nothing further will come of it, because her skin is not black like President Obama's, so she gets no special points in the Nobel committee's affirmative action or reservations programs:-))

Floriano wrote:

If Saudi Arabia (if I am not mistaken) had not bought the inventor of the
first electric car for millions of dollars and shelved the invention, its
economy which is based on oil would go bust. Its nothing but money after
all.

Mario responds:

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. The Saudis don't have enough money to buy anyone who has a real alternative auto technology to compete with the gasoline engine right now. The folks at Reva in Bangalore would love for someone to buy them out.

Floriano wrote:

Cecil Pinto prefers to joke about Aloe Vera. Actually his mania is against
MLMs. Instead he should ask his grandmother (if she is still living) what home remedy she used to treat wounds going septic without going to expensive doctors and opting for expensive medicines.

Mario responds:

Please let's keep Cecil's Granny out of this. I doubt he allowed her to use Aloe Vera either.

Floriano writes:

Today, the Japanese have come out with water ionizers which were unheard of some couple of years ago. Our natural water resources are going acidic day by day thro god knows what pollution.

Mario responds:

When only God knows, you can safely blame it on global warming:-))

Floriano wrote:

I don't take ecosprin and acorex any more but eat raw spinach dipped in Virgin Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden. It supplies my quota of folic acid/per day intake which neutralises/brings down the blood homocysteine.

Mario responds:

I think the sound I just heard was Jose, Santosh, Eric, Anand, Anesimo, and Anil falling off their chairs, while Gilbert and Fr. Ivo were heard saying, "That's what I've been telling them for years, murre!":-))

Floriano wrote:

And the Japanese have found out that 4 x 160 ml glasses of water taken first thing in the morning before brushing up, gets rid of most ills like
diabetes, arthritis etc, even heart attacks.

Mario responds:

I tried this once and spent most of the day running to the bathroom:-))

Floriano wrote:

I shall conclude my tirade to say that God has given mankind the cheapest
and the most effective medicine. PURE WATER. And we despise it ....

Mario responds:

Not true. Saiba boggus. Please don't despise water, murre. I've never used it as a medicine but we use it to bathe and keep germs away. Many people use it to drink - not me, I stick to beer, which is made with water - we use it to grow food, to put out fires, to transport ore barges, for fishes to live in for us to eat, and we use it to make fenny, not much, just a little.
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 18:08:38 UTC
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Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but
coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked
cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know.
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this
puzzle for me please??
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.

Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2009-12-05 20:01:51 UTC
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Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:33:24 +0530
From: "floriano" <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>

But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never know. But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then, all of a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve this puzzle for me please??

Mario's random thoughts on the end of life:

Floriano,

Not only would Goans eat copra but eggs every day with whole milk and then ate the cream with sugar, not to mention Christians eating massive qualtities of beef and pork with the fat and skin, after fighting over who got the fat.

Secondly, you have written your "Sure as hell..." personal impressions which may or may not conform to actual facts about mortality in Goa. A factor in heart attacks is stress which may be much higher these days. I have two male ancestors who grew up in Goa and died of heart attacks in British India. One died in 1941 at 53 and his Dad died in 1929 at 87. I'm hoping I take after the latter.

Regarding past dietary practices how many times did someone keel over and you would hear people at the funeral shake their heads sagely and say, "I don't know what happened, murre, he was never sick a day in his life!" Actually, the poor bug..., ...er, chap, was a dead man walking and didn't even know it.

Here is what I realized when I came face to face with my own mortality a few years ago. The minute you are born, you begin to die. The only questions are when and where. When San Pedro gets his daily computer printout each morning and your name's on it, it's "Hasta la vista, baby!" If your names not on it you could fall out of an airplane, or have clogged arteries being treated with coconut oil and vauchi baaji and large quantities of water, and he wont let you in:-))

Of course I'm kidding here because a good coroner will be able to tell your family precisely what killed you and what you could have done to prolong your life, or if it was incurable. Of course finding out what you could have done from your own autopsy doesn't help you any, now does it?

The only benefit of dying from cancer, if I may be blunt, is that one has some advance warning and can get their affairs in order before checking out. I had contingency plans for a world tour and a big party on my way out. When you have the time and energy, might as well go out in style is my philosophy.

In your case, I think you have either been misdiagnosed or ancillary passages have developed around your blockages, which I believe has been known to happen. I'm not sure why you were not a candidate for bypass surgery years ago. I'm not familiar with the medications that were prescribed and you have refused to take. In the US I'm sure you would be have been prescribed Lipitor years ago to bring down your cholesterol level and try and reverse your heart disease. You would also be a candidate for a heart transplant which would give you a new functioning pump and entirely new plumbing.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure one of our real doctors will correct me now that they have had time to get back up and collect themselves:-))
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-05 21:59:21 UTC
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Folks,

As a charitable activity of his post-presidency, President Pandurang has given me permission to launch the Pandurang Project, an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.

Cheers,

Santosh
Mario Goveia
2009-12-07 06:00:16 UTC
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 14:40:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>

floriano,
Maybe it is time to move to Canada.

This is a socialist country.
The people and Govt fervently believe that no resident in Canada should be deprived of first class medical attention.

As such, all your medical needs and medicines are provided free of charge.
Let me add that this is guaranteed i.e. regardless of your medical history.

Mario observes:

Mervyn is absolutely correct. Medical treatment in Canada is guaranteed. WHEN you will be treated is not:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/canadian-healthcare-cracking-multiple-months-waiting-list-just-see-doctor

You may end up in the US for your "Canadian" health care:-))

http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U.S.-to-get-health-care
Frederick Noronha
2009-12-07 08:47:47 UTC
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While we got derailed over the earlier debate, I'm really curious to know
whether Virgin Coconut Oil is in any way healthier than oil extracted via
the usual coconut-copra method. FN
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Mervyn Lobo
2009-12-07 17:15:03 UTC
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However, I do not expect my state to cover my medical bills because my state is a poor state
and cannot afford such luxuries :-)) when it can afford mega luxuries for its chosen ones.?
floriano,
I agree with you in regards to the "chosen ones." I am especially glad that?the Goa Govt has
the money to sponsor the vacations of half a dozen young Canadians every year.
As far as growing spinach and coconuts in the Canadian backyards is concerned, you may be right.
However, you must take note that my brother who lives in Missisauga has successfully grown
patoi'eamche khole' and has made and enjoyed patoieos far removed from home too. And I had a
tough time to send him some live 'volod' disguised as medicinal roots :-))
Yes, it does take a few years for?immigrants to understand that?the laws here are to protect residents
and the Canadian economy. For example, if you bring Goan sausages into Canada, the customs officer
will don on gloves, pick the sausages out of your bag and put both the sausages and gloves into an
incinerator.?The same guys will actually snatch?an apple from a baby's hands and drop it into the same
incinerator. In both cases, this is done to protect diseases from?spreading into and devastating the
Canadian economy.



Despite this, people still try to circumnavigate the law. Some learn about Canadian laws only
when they are given hefty fines for failing to comply. On the?other hand, businessmen have found out
the hard way that there is a limit to how many people you can fool in a literate society. The health section
of the newspapers here keep their readers updated?on the latest advances of medical sciences. In addition,
when a cause for any disease becomes know, the Govt, i.e.?the guarantor of public health, will disseminate
the info in a way that it reaches all those in the high risk category. This is done because it is always more
cost effective to prevent a disease?than to?pay for its treatment.



As an example,?the Canadian Govt targets those?whose origins are in the Indian sub-continent by informing
them that, because of their diet, they?are in the high risk category for?high blood pressure,?heart and cardio-
vascular diseases. Poly saturates, found in coconut oil, is about the worst food for those with high cholesterol
levels. To make this simple to understand, if coconut oil was beneficial, it would command premium prices.
?
?
Virgin coconut oil would be snapped up by the multi-nationals, patented, and marketed using brand names.
?
?
Mervyn Lobo
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sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order
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augusto pinto
2009-12-07 10:21:50 UTC
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I wish to state that it is a falsity that coconut oil has anything to do
with preserving anyone's virginity. Ask any Dotor.

As the Bohemian Dotor will no doubt agree, this is a totally false and
misleading statement that the famous bondollam marpi alias journo is
feeding to the gullible goanet readership. No virgin. he will aver. has ever
retained it after having a nice ... whatever ... either by cooking her food
in coconut oil, or by using it to ...

I am also sure that the American Dotor will refute the scientific basis
behind this canard in scholarly terms quoting at least 14 websites and the
thread will persist for 14 generations after a learned Padri asserts that
natural family planning methods are better than virgin oil.

Finally the Ingineiro Dotor will prove that it is just a ruse to promote a
new book about coconuts regarding a certain master craftsman Vijaydatta
Lotlikar's fortcoming book 'The Art of Coconut Craft' which is to be
released on December 7, 2009 (Monday) at the Institute Menezes Braganza art
gallery at 4 pm. And that Ghantis migrating into Goa thus rendering all
Renders redundant are the root cause of virgins losing it to them.

Personally I think that any publicity is good publicity and virgins are the
best.

Cheers
Augusto
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Goa, India
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Nascy Caldeira
2009-12-10 03:19:32 UTC
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Thanks Santosh,
For putting sense into the likes of Floriano and Fred, on this topic.
I cannot believe that these two eminent goanet persons are that gullible to hearsay on the internet.
I hope this is a fitting and final 'lesson' to ignorance re this topic etc.

OR are Floriano and Fred just jesting, joking, and trying to compete with others who were with like views on ayurveda and homeopathy non sense??


Cheers!
Nascy Caldeira
Melbourne Down Under.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
Post by floriano
But Mario, one thing puzzles me. We in Goa ate nothing
but coconut copra oil for ages and if people died of
choked cardio vascular systems and high LDL we would never
know.
Post by floriano
But sure as hell they didn't die at 40-45 :-)). Then,all of
a sudden this staple became the killer and they fall off
their feet at 40-45, very much dead. Can you solve
this puzzle for me please??
------------------------------
Post by Mario Goveia
There is no such puzzle. The manufactured puzzle results
from ignorance about the history of medicine and the state
of public health in Goa and the rest of the world. In the
old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before
the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small
pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long
enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the
lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the
infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition
naturally selected by their genes.
Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in
India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds
of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home
remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when
Indians were finally able to die free, they could only
expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was
liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class
Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive
beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano
to see significant number of people dying from heart
attacks.
Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average
for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a
cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
Santosh
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Santosh Helekar
2009-12-10 18:06:53 UTC
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Post by Ivo da C.Souza
People die at any age. In our families there have been people who lived
for long years (80 or more). But even today there are people who die >young. Statistics will not give us accurately the data.
In addition to scientific illiteracy, we are faced with the problem of innumeracy, a term that was coined by one of my favorite Scientific American columnists, Douglas Hofstadter, and popularized by the eminent mathematician John Allen Poulos. Innumeracy is a form of mathematical illiteracy - a failure to grasp even simple mathematical and statistical facts, as well as the significance of hard numbers staring at one's face.

You might ask:

How can someone not believe in the accuracy of the fact that the life expectancy in India has risen to 70 years from a unchanging low of 25 years before 1920, a time when all we could rely on, was unscientific rituals like homeopathy and ayurveda, and prescientific quack medicine?

The answer is simple. The people who do so do not really care about genuine accuracy and objective facts. They simply go by their emotions, subjective feelings, preconceived ideologies and religious beliefs. In short, the world they live in is a make-believe world that transcends physical reality.

Cheers,

Santosh
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-11 18:33:58 UTC
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Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

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Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-12 11:58:36 UTC
Permalink
Dear Santosh,
???? Your suggestion that feni should also be introduced into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni should obviously be made from?coconut palms, preferably from the very same trees whose nuts are turned into the coconut oil being used. Of course, since caju/cashew feni has its ardent adherents,?a separate product could also be developed.
???? Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
???? I?now urge all those interested in this project to seize this splendid business opportunity and?begin production, testing, and distribution right away, since the numbers of toddy tappers are fast declining, and it will be years and years before there are enough dwarf coconut trees to meet the worldwide demand! Besides, if we delay, Kerala could get into the act; where would we be then?
???? Regards,
???? Victor
????
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:33 PM



Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug.

So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something.

Cheers,

Santosh

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT:
This work is supported by the Pandurang Project.

The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter.
Post by marlon menezes
Some of my family members are strong believers in the power
of holy water. Since the three of you have provided
irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my
obvious question is what do you think about the combination
of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction
effect could? contribute to a tremendous revolution in
personal wellbeing!
When one mixes things, we must of course understand the
interaction parameter between the constituents. For example,
would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less
holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being
"virgin", should have a high level of holiness associated
with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin
oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun
intended.
There would of course be some technical challenges. We all
know that one can't simply just mix oil and water.
Duh!? One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to
bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good
emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite
holy -? after all it is said that cleanliness is next
to godliness.
With the technical analysis complete, the next step would
be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as
AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be
able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will
theoretically going to vote for him during the next
erection.
Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the
power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the
non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited
quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved
for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue
blood, your miracle cure awaits you!
Amen.
Marlon
? ? ?
Santosh Helekar
2009-12-13 03:50:29 UTC
Permalink
Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of >the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, >vs. that made from different trees; b)?palm feni/coconut oil/holy water >formula?vs.?cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note >that?despite all homeopathic?theory and practice, I for one would prefer >either of the fenis to be undiluted.?
Dear Victorbab,

Since we are marketing them under holy homeopathy, no need for clinical trials or evidence. All we need is a good publicist, preferably, an independent journalist/activist who has achieved independence from the truth and mastered the art of fact-free propaganda. He will be able to fabricate whatever fictional narrative we need to publicize this profit-making capitalist enterprise, disguising it as an agrarian populist cause of liberation of the poor oppressed eastern minorities.

Cheers,

Santosh
Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
2009-12-13 13:18:04 UTC
Permalink
My dear Frederick,
???? This is a fine example of the usefulness of ignorance---in the end, it serves to expand knowledge! My ignorance of the uses of coconut trees led you to enlighten not just me, but the billions of others around the world who don't even know what a coconut tree looks like.
???? It also makes us aware of the next scientific challenge: How to develop a coconut tree that can be used both for its nuts and for making feni!
???? Obviously, anyone who achieves that scientific milestone will be in the running for the Nobel Prize.
???? Regards,
???? Victor

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Frederick Noronha <fredericknoronha at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 8:52 AM



Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for
promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional
knowledge :-)
Post by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
into the mix?raises interesting possibilities. The feni
should obviously be made from?coconut palms,
preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts
are turned into the coconut oil being used.? (Emphasis
added.)
As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for
nuts. Not both.

I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I
recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the
traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered
matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN
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Frederick Noronha
2009-12-02 17:41:54 UTC
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Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.

Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.

Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa

Rgds, FN
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floriano
2009-12-03 11:28:35 UTC
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Rico,
After I read this post of yours and saw the video, I went searching goanet
(my sent archives) where I had written about the deadly Hydrogenation
Process of oils to enhance their self-life and how these oils have begun to
be the Hitler's Gassing Chambers de novo through our grocery stores and
supermarkets. And I had mentioned the virtues of the VCO [Virgin Coconut
Oil] which is now replacing the good old Goan Copra Coconut oil ( which is
already oxidized by virtue of it being dried out before extracting the oil).

This information you have given does not touch even a tip of the iceberg
about the virtues of this VCO. (Cold pressed)
FYI, I am actually drinking VCO three times a day apart from using only VCO
as a cooking medium at home. Have long back thrown the market oils out of my
kitchen.

I do have a few bottles [1 litre] with me (had purchased a dozzen). Costs
Rs. 350/bot.

VCO is a miracle as it is saturated with LAURIC ACID which is the number
one immune booster of the human body. You will not believe it but it seems
Magic Johnson ( the US star Basket Ball Player) is cured of HIV simply by
drinking VCO.

I can put you on to the guy who has done heavy research on this VCO and who
is promoting it in Goa after having painstakingly found the source of
genuine VCO. This brand of VCO is coming from Kerala.

BTW: I have recently given one bottle to a senior citizen/friend in Panjim
who can't make the medical tests for the Canadian Visa. VCO is believed to
help with Diabetes as with most viruses including CYTOMEGALOVIRUS ( the
shell based virus like the HIV virus which is the cause of most Heart
attacks). It is believed that lauric acid has the potential to penetrate the
shell of the virus and render it dead which most modern drug cannot do.

BTW 2: VCO is not produced in Goa.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org





----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick Noronha" <fn at goa-india.org>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Virgin coconut oil...
Post by Frederick Noronha
Do you know anyone who produces 'virgin coconut oil' in Goa?
Apparently, it's a big thing in places like the Philippines.
Here's an interesting account of how it's produced and what its
perceived benefits are: http://www.freecoconutrecipes.com/about_us.htm
Don't miss the video while you're there.
Wonder what the experts in this field feel about its potential for
Goa. Have also posted the link to the BSG-Goa/Botanical Society of Goa
mailing list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa
Rgds, FN
--
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