Discussion:
Insult to Goans
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Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
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Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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Marlon Menezes
2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
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Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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vivek araujo
2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Neal Pinto
2003-12-06 18:09:46 UTC
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
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Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
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Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
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Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
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Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
Permalink
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
Permalink
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-07 15:03:31 UTC
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Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))
Neal Pinto
Neal Pinto
2003-12-07 17:47:10 UTC
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-07 21:03:37 UTC
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Why Neal?
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Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
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Why Neal?
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To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
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Why Neal?
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From: "Neal Pinto" <goa-boy at excite.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
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Why Neal?
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From: "Neal Pinto" <goa-boy at excite.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
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Why Neal?
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From: "Neal Pinto" <goa-boy at excite.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
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Why Neal?
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From: "Neal Pinto" <goa-boy at excite.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
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Why Neal?
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From: "Neal Pinto" <goa-boy at excite.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Neal Pinto
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the
"Native Woman of Goa" caption.
Post by Neal Pinto
We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie
"Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!
Post by Neal Pinto
We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We
wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)
Post by Neal Pinto
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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
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Nasci Caldeira
2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
Post by Neal Pinto
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2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
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I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
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From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
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I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
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I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
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I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
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I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
Permalink
I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Helga do Rosario Gomes
2003-12-08 00:39:22 UTC
Permalink
I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you
find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so.
-Helga do Rosario Gomes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <nascy_cal at hotmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Post by Nasci Caldeira
Helga!
Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.
Nasci Caldeira.
Neal Pinto
2003-12-08 01:25:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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--- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

-- R.K. Nair

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2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



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http://www.nealpinto.com



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helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
Permalink
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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--- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

-- R.K. Nair

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2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



Neal Pinto

GoA-BoY at excite.com

http://www.nealpinto.com



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helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-08 18:32:44 UTC
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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
Permalink
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
Permalink
Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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--- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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--- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

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2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



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helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
Permalink
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

-- R.K. Nair

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2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



Neal Pinto

GoA-BoY at excite.com

http://www.nealpinto.com



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helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-08 18:32:44 UTC
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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
Permalink
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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Marlon Menezes
2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
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2003-12-08 01:25:34 UTC
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

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2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



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To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-08 18:32:44 UTC
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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
Permalink
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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Marlon Menezes
2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
Permalink
Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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From: Radhakrishnan Nair [mailto: rk_nair15 at hotmail.com]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
Post by Neal Pinto
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
Why Neal?
Have you seen the movie?



It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion.



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



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2003-12-08 04:28:31 UTC
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Hi,

I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene
Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not
that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans
as "descendents of the Portuguese!"

I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk)
in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew
the offending calender and apologised.

Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail
from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current
controversy:

"I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The
anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of
them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan.

Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can
accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that
the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That
qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie
Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology."

Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue.

Cheers!

-- R.K. Nair

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vivek araujo
2003-12-08 07:41:38 UTC
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Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who
made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise
to any one if i am not on the wrong.

What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could
you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who
has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women
too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan
villages you will see a lot of them.

Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ?

VIVEK
Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to
accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza"
character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a
secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap
image" you know. ;)



Neal Pinto

GoA-BoY at excite.com

http://www.nealpinto.com



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helga at gwi.net > wrote:

From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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Neal Pinto
2003-12-08 18:32:44 UTC
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In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-(



I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead.



As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese".



I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage.



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2003-12-09 02:00:52 UTC
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:12:56 -0500, "Gilbert Lawrence" <gilbertlaw at adelphia.net>
wrote:

Response:

Great reply Helga. The only Goan women that most of the Goan respondents know
are those wearing jeans, slacks and pant suit. It was beyond me that someone
wrote on Goanet that we demand an apology. Was Goanet responsible for the ad?

In my opinion, all four pictures could have been much improved. But nobody asked
for my opinion. Please see my post ?Only Goans? of possible reasons this post
generated so much chatter on Goanet.

Regards, GL


From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>

Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet)
for calling her Goan!?

Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identity
of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a
delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a
pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed
so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women!!!!
Miguel Braganza
2003-12-05 18:05:49 UTC
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Money is what makes the mare to go....and some people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism. We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.

Viva Goa.
Miguel
original message....
From: "Ivor D'Cunha" <ivordcunha at hotmail.com>
To: goanet at goanet.org
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:48:01 +0530
check on this site
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/lpi_slides/htmshell/indian_subcontinent/goa/sl-3
.htm
There was another incident in few months' back at he Travel Mart in Dubai,
Goa had its own pavilion and when some Goans visited it they were
surprised
to see some girls dancing to the tune of Vengaboys music and dressed in
mini
skirt and short blouses...." at least with this type of Music you can
attract business."
Anything can happen if non-Goans lead the Goan Tourism delegation and a
non-Goan happens to be the Tourism Director of Goa.
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Marlon Menezes
2003-12-06 00:55:32 UTC
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Miguel,

I think you are a little confused about the on-going
discussion. You are talking about Goans in Goa who
dislike the foreign tourists who take up valuable
beach space. The prior discussion was about Goans
living abroad complaining about Indians (non-goans)
taking over Goa's beaches.

I propose the following solution to the above
problems. For the benefit of the local goans, we
should ask all the foreign tourists to take their
money to Rajasthan and Kashmir instead of coming to
Goa. The resultant creation of jobs there will lead to
the non-goans from these regions to return to their
homes, thus making the expat goans happy.

Marlon
Post by Miguel Braganza
Money is what makes the mare to go....and some
people will do anything for
money. The story is no different in Goa's tourism.
We have put concrete and
security guards on our beaches and have kept them
out-of-bounds for our
children......so that the tourists can enjoy them at
leisure. Goans are
getting street smart enroute to living in the
streets in order to accomodate
the tourists.
Viva Goa.
Miguel
Radhakrishnan Nair
2003-12-06 05:54:58 UTC
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Eddie Fernandes is right!

Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri.

She's a Lamani migrant.

The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.

Well done, Eddie!

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2003-12-06 08:18:42 UTC
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Right from theinception the issue was about the
caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the
extent of extremisim of some culture blah
blah......and now it has been sealed off that it was
indeed wrong.

Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for
showing their concern on this caption and fighting it
out with positive contribution until it was truly
believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A
R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense.

Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv
soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great
weekend.

Vivek
Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
Eddie Fernandes is right!
Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian
demography knows the woman
in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a
Kashmiri.
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call
her a native of Goa. It
must be corrected immediately with an apology.
Well done, Eddie!
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2003-12-06 18:09:46 UTC
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Post by Radhakrishnan Nair
She's a Lamani migrant.
The caption is patently wrong and
offensive to call her a native of Goa.
It must be corrected immediately with
an apology.
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :))





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--- On Sat 12/06, Radhakrishnan Nair < rk_nair15 at hotmail.com > wrote:

From: Radhakrishnan Nair [mailto: rk_nair15 at hotmail.com]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Cc: eddie at fernandes.u-net.com

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530

Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans

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2003-12-07 17:47:10 UTC
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Post by Helga do Rosario Gomes
As for me I say apologize
to that woman who was
dressed so beautifully and
has preserved her
traditional dress unlike
us Goan women!!!!
Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption.



We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"!



We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;)



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From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: helga at gwi.net]

To: goanet at goanet.org

Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500

Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans



Right Neal!



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Nasci Caldeira
2003-12-07 23:24:37 UTC
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Helga!

Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga.
Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I
hope you do.

Nasci Caldeira.
From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" <helga at gwi.net>
Reply-To: goanet at goanet.org
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should
apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much
covet) for calling her Goan!?
Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the
identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government
sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I
haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that
woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional
dress
unlike us Goan women!!!!
Post by Neal Pinto
So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as
well... right? :))
Post by Neal Pinto
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