[Goanet] Coconut Oil

[Roland Francis]

This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.



The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.



However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.



<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477



Thanks.



Roland.

Toronto

[floriano]

Whow!

My longstanding pro-Virgin Coconut Oil has been vindicated.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Post by Roland Francis
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Santosh Helekar]

Roland,

As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is one regarding Alzheimer's:

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_alternative_treatments.asp#Concerns_about_alternative_therapies


Here is one about other claims:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health


Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Roland Francis <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T his 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

To any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.

One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)

++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:05:31 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson
is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United
States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )]

?On 8 May 2012 13:32, Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com> wrote:

To any and all,?The best and simplest thing is to run your own test --
say ?2-4 weeks, 6?months. Run it on family, older friends who have
Alzheimer's (or other?degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in
which case one may learn other?things about self) and observe changes.
This is one step towards awareness,the other would be the info the
supplied by Goan researchers.


Ai Saiba Bhogos maka

What is this Venantius?

BTW, since we are apparently in the mood of making mockery of 'medical
research' along with it's study designs and methods of analysis, how
about the Coconuts propagating this nonsense ...just eating One whole
coconut every other day....and then trying to remember if they forgot
themselves or the coconuts.

jc

[Santosh Helekar]

It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[Reena Martins]

I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

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[floriano]

You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.

I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.

Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max
per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.
3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2
every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just
normal, fine.

All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according
to them.
Well done. Keep it up.


Cheers
floriano



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else,
it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what
is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious
health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A
clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and
researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Jose Colaco]

Mogal Floriano,

Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?

That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?

And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?

As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE

jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
----- Original Message ----- From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age,?do more harm than good ....?Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Jose Colaco]

Dear Gabriel,

You make very valid point...... NOT the focus of this discussion.

I submit, however, that it is NOT in a patient's self- interest to keep information away from a doctor. It must be a 'subcontinental' thing. My experience over the years is that desis frequently indulge in this rather puerile behavior. Apparently, they are trying to TEST the doctor.

BTW: I believe that any adult human being of sufficient mental capacity has the legal right to reject any treatment prescribed to him/her and take whatever coconut or whatever oil or coir instead. .... even if this action is detrimental to the individual.

However, asking a cardiologist to give an injection of Folate .....?

jc

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age, do more harm than good .... Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Jose Colaco]

Dear Gabriel,

You make very valid point...... NOT the focus of this discussion.

I submit, however, that it is NOT in a patient's self- interest to keep information away from a doctor. It must be a 'subcontinental' thing. My experience over the years is that desis frequently indulge in this rather puerile behavior. Apparently, they are trying to TEST the doctor.

BTW: I believe that any adult human being of sufficient mental capacity has the legal right to reject any treatment prescribed to him/her and take whatever coconut or whatever oil or coir instead. .... even if this action is detrimental to the individual.

However, asking a cardiologist to give an injection of Folate .....?

jc

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age, do more harm than good .... Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Jose Colaco]

Dear Gabriel,

You make very valid point...... NOT the focus of this discussion.

I submit, however, that it is NOT in a patient's self- interest to keep information away from a doctor. It must be a 'subcontinental' thing. My experience over the years is that desis frequently indulge in this rather puerile behavior. Apparently, they are trying to TEST the doctor.

BTW: I believe that any adult human being of sufficient mental capacity has the legal right to reject any treatment prescribed to him/her and take whatever coconut or whatever oil or coir instead. .... even if this action is detrimental to the individual.

However, asking a cardiologist to give an injection of Folate .....?

jc

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age, do more harm than good .... Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age,?do more harm than good ....?Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

I sometimes do wonder if the ACE inhibitors, statins and aspirins routinely prescribed to people over a certain age,?do more harm than good ....?Are we following the trend of the once-fashionable practice of being administered penicillin for a simple cold?

________________________________
From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2012 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Mogal Floriano,
Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?
That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?
And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?
As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE
jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12
max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3
years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every
night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to
them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
?

[floriano]

Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.

I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche
at the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for,
being a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold
of the Goa Governance some day.

I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough purchasing the FDA members.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice
and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and
withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard
plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they
knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall
prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for
your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Santosh Helekar]

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.
I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche at
the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for, being
a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold of the
Goa Governance some day.
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS? as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough? purchasing the FDA members.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

[floriano]

Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Cheers
floriano

PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits
of it to my close friend as an advice only.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

The crap that you are writing regarding coconut oil is spread by MLM scams. That is why I asked you the name of your MLM. I would like to know the source of your conspiracy theories. For example, who gave you the following information:

QUOTE
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver??would lower it down.The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.?3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.


All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

QUOTE
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make their money theough purchasing the FDA members.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?
Sometimes, I do tend to think that? you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Cheers
floriano
PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits of
it to my close friend as an advice only.

[Mervyn Lobo]

?Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States?Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States?Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British?National Health Service and?Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.?


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to?supersede?the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[Jose Colaco]

My dear Mervyn,

You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil. Not being a coconutologist, I will skip comment on that except to say that : surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... + wars and extra- marital affairs?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we still trying to 'convert' him?

jc

Post by Mervyn Lobo

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------
floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.
Mervyn0120

[Mervyn Lobo]

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited?
Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly?
long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

I am not sure if I agree with you Doc. When a man hits 65 in Canada, the life insurance companies reset?their?projections, financially making provisions that he will live to 84. Women who hit 65, live longer than 84. I don't think the East and West Indies boast such ages. A good health program and medications is what keeps the Canadian residents alive. Regarding your query on a coconut diet, here in Canada, few people need the extra calories that are packed in coconut oil. Extra calories, in fact, is what is killing people here.?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite??
of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position?
to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY?
are we still trying to 'convert' him?

No one is trying to convert Floriano. He has every right to live his life the way he wants too. The problem that arises is when he presents opinions here that are?contrary to scientific findings. Those who understand the facts, have to point out the same, else we all would suffer the fate as?Galileo?Galilee.?

Lastly, when faced with the facts, most people will gradually accept the same. Then there always are a few who will understand the facts but find them impossible to accept. Here in lies the danger.


Mervyn2102

[Santosh Helekar]

Gilbert's advice and opinion below are entirely sound. Jose makes one valid point, which is that animal fat is worse than vegetable fat like coconut oil. But it is not reasonable to conflate issues regarding consumption of coconut and coconut oil, and also about coconut and life expectancy. The folks who lived in the Goan villages and the islands of the East and West Indies did not live fairly long lives. Their life expectancy in the past was very low compared to what it is today. Here is what I had written about this issue the last time it had raised its confused head:

QUOTE
In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.?

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.??Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
UNQUOTE

Please see:?http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet at lists.goanet.org/msg55052.html

The same applies to the islands of the West Indies.

Cheers,

Santosh
?----- Original Message -----

From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbert2114 at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet at goanet.org" <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc:?
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
?
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the?
consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the?
consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin?
application.
?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>; "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
My dear Mervyn,
You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.
However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and
the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having
a diet that was full of coconut?
There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil.
surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all
the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red
Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... +
wars and extra- marital affairs?
BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite? of
what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to
conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we
still trying to 'convert' him?
jc

[Mervyn Lobo]

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited?
Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly?
long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

I am not sure if I agree with you Doc. When a man hits 65 in Canada, the life insurance companies reset?their?projections, financially making provisions that he will live to 84. Women who hit 65, live longer than 84. I don't think the East and West Indies boast such ages. A good health program and medications is what keeps the Canadian residents alive. Regarding your query on a coconut diet, here in Canada, few people need the extra calories that are packed in coconut oil. Extra calories, in fact, is what is killing people here.?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite??
of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position?
to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY?
are we still trying to 'convert' him?

No one is trying to convert Floriano. He has every right to live his life the way he wants too. The problem that arises is when he presents opinions here that are?contrary to scientific findings. Those who understand the facts, have to point out the same, else we all would suffer the fate as?Galileo?Galilee.?

Lastly, when faced with the facts, most people will gradually accept the same. Then there always are a few who will understand the facts but find them impossible to accept. Here in lies the danger.


Mervyn2102

[Santosh Helekar]

Gilbert's advice and opinion below are entirely sound. Jose makes one valid point, which is that animal fat is worse than vegetable fat like coconut oil. But it is not reasonable to conflate issues regarding consumption of coconut and coconut oil, and also about coconut and life expectancy. The folks who lived in the Goan villages and the islands of the East and West Indies did not live fairly long lives. Their life expectancy in the past was very low compared to what it is today. Here is what I had written about this issue the last time it had raised its confused head:

QUOTE
In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.?

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.??Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
UNQUOTE

Please see:?http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet at lists.goanet.org/msg55052.html

The same applies to the islands of the West Indies.

Cheers,

Santosh
?----- Original Message -----

From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbert2114 at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet at goanet.org" <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc:?
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
?
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the?
consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the?
consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin?
application.
?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>; "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
My dear Mervyn,
You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.
However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and
the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having
a diet that was full of coconut?
There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil.
surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all
the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red
Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... +
wars and extra- marital affairs?
BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite? of
what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to
conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we
still trying to 'convert' him?
jc

[Mervyn Lobo]

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited?
Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly?
long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

I am not sure if I agree with you Doc. When a man hits 65 in Canada, the life insurance companies reset?their?projections, financially making provisions that he will live to 84. Women who hit 65, live longer than 84. I don't think the East and West Indies boast such ages. A good health program and medications is what keeps the Canadian residents alive. Regarding your query on a coconut diet, here in Canada, few people need the extra calories that are packed in coconut oil. Extra calories, in fact, is what is killing people here.?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite??
of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position?
to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY?
are we still trying to 'convert' him?

No one is trying to convert Floriano. He has every right to live his life the way he wants too. The problem that arises is when he presents opinions here that are?contrary to scientific findings. Those who understand the facts, have to point out the same, else we all would suffer the fate as?Galileo?Galilee.?

Lastly, when faced with the facts, most people will gradually accept the same. Then there always are a few who will understand the facts but find them impossible to accept. Here in lies the danger.


Mervyn2102

[Santosh Helekar]

Gilbert's advice and opinion below are entirely sound. Jose makes one valid point, which is that animal fat is worse than vegetable fat like coconut oil. But it is not reasonable to conflate issues regarding consumption of coconut and coconut oil, and also about coconut and life expectancy. The folks who lived in the Goan villages and the islands of the East and West Indies did not live fairly long lives. Their life expectancy in the past was very low compared to what it is today. Here is what I had written about this issue the last time it had raised its confused head:

QUOTE
In the old days that Floriano remembers people used to die before the age of 30 from typhoid, tuberculosis, cholera, small pox, pneumonia and wound infections. They did not live long enough to die from a heart attack or stroke. It was only the lucky ones who lived to see 40 or 45, not having caught the infections. The few who lived much longer were in addition naturally selected by their genes.?

Hundred years ago the life expectancy of a human being in India was 25 years. This was during the heyday of all kinds of faith-based nostrums - Ayurveda, Homeopathy and home remedies of housewives and grandmothers. In 1947 when Indians were finally able to die free, they could only expect to live for 36 years. In 1961 when Portugal was liberated from the burden of Goa, a naturalized first-class Indian citizen in Goa was lucky if he/she could survive beyond 42 years of age, still not long enough for Floriano to see significant number of people dying from heart attacks.??Today, any toddler in India can hope to live on an average for 70 years, long enough to have a good chance of being a cancer or stroke victim and survivor.
UNQUOTE

Please see:?http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet at lists.goanet.org/msg55052.html

The same applies to the islands of the West Indies.

Cheers,

Santosh
?----- Original Message -----

From: Gilbert Lawrence <gilbert2114 at yahoo.com>
To: "goanet at goanet.org" <goanet at goanet.org>
Cc:?
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
?
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the?
consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the?
consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin?
application.
?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jose Colaco <colaco1 at gmail.com>
To: Mervyn Lobo <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>; "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Cc: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
My dear Mervyn,
You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.
However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and
the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having
a diet that was full of coconut?
There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil.
surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all
the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red
Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... +
wars and extra- marital affairs?
BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite? of
what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to
conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we
still trying to 'convert' him?
jc

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

b/rgds

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization,
International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and
Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association,
British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting
the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels
of saturated fat.


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then
again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to
supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[Mervyn Lobo]

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,?

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation?


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the guts to butt heads with the?finest?scientist of the world. If I am going to err, it is going to be on the side of caution. ?Anyone, but anyone, can stand up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.?

202Mervyn

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Thank you for the link

"
Health implications
Main article: Trans Fat
A side effect of incomplete hydrogenation having implications for human
health is the isomerization of some of the remaining unsaturated carbon
bonds. The cis configuration of these double bonds predominates in the
unprocessed fats in most edible fat sources, but incomplete hydrogenation
partially converts these molecules to trans isomers, which have been
implicated in circulatory diseases including heart disease (see trans fats).
The conversion from cis to trans bonds is favored because the trans
configuration has lower energy than the natural cis one. At equilibrium, the
trans/cis isomer ratio is about 2:1. Food legislation in the US and codes of
practice in EU have long required labels declaring the fat content of foods
in retail trade and, more recently, have also required declaration of the
trans fat content. Trans fats are banned in Denmark and New York
City.[14][15]

"

If possible, I would want to ban Hydrogenated oils 9 for cooking medium) in
GOA.
Period.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
PS: And as Santosh wud want to say,
" Promote VCO"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the
guts to butt heads with the finest scientist of the world. If I am going to
err, it is going to be on the side of caution. Anyone, but anyone, can stand
up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.

202Mervyn

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Thank you for the link

"
Health implications
Main article: Trans Fat
A side effect of incomplete hydrogenation having implications for human
health is the isomerization of some of the remaining unsaturated carbon
bonds. The cis configuration of these double bonds predominates in the
unprocessed fats in most edible fat sources, but incomplete hydrogenation
partially converts these molecules to trans isomers, which have been
implicated in circulatory diseases including heart disease (see trans fats).
The conversion from cis to trans bonds is favored because the trans
configuration has lower energy than the natural cis one. At equilibrium, the
trans/cis isomer ratio is about 2:1. Food legislation in the US and codes of
practice in EU have long required labels declaring the fat content of foods
in retail trade and, more recently, have also required declaration of the
trans fat content. Trans fats are banned in Denmark and New York
City.[14][15]

"

If possible, I would want to ban Hydrogenated oils 9 for cooking medium) in
GOA.
Period.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
PS: And as Santosh wud want to say,
" Promote VCO"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the
guts to butt heads with the finest scientist of the world. If I am going to
err, it is going to be on the side of caution. Anyone, but anyone, can stand
up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.

202Mervyn

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Thank you for the link

"
Health implications
Main article: Trans Fat
A side effect of incomplete hydrogenation having implications for human
health is the isomerization of some of the remaining unsaturated carbon
bonds. The cis configuration of these double bonds predominates in the
unprocessed fats in most edible fat sources, but incomplete hydrogenation
partially converts these molecules to trans isomers, which have been
implicated in circulatory diseases including heart disease (see trans fats).
The conversion from cis to trans bonds is favored because the trans
configuration has lower energy than the natural cis one. At equilibrium, the
trans/cis isomer ratio is about 2:1. Food legislation in the US and codes of
practice in EU have long required labels declaring the fat content of foods
in retail trade and, more recently, have also required declaration of the
trans fat content. Trans fats are banned in Denmark and New York
City.[14][15]

"

If possible, I would want to ban Hydrogenated oils 9 for cooking medium) in
GOA.
Period.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
PS: And as Santosh wud want to say,
" Promote VCO"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil II

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the
guts to butt heads with the finest scientist of the world. If I am going to
err, it is going to be on the side of caution. Anyone, but anyone, can stand
up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.

202Mervyn

[Mervyn Lobo]

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,?

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation?


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the guts to butt heads with the?finest?scientist of the world. If I am going to err, it is going to be on the side of caution. ?Anyone, but anyone, can stand up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.?

202Mervyn

[Mervyn Lobo]

Post by floriano
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

floriano,?

Here is the link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation?


Admittedly, this particular link can be difficult to understand.

I avoid hydrogenated oils as much as I can. The reason is I do not have the guts to butt heads with the?finest?scientist of the world. If I am going to err, it is going to be on the side of caution. ?Anyone, but anyone, can stand up and say, my doctor is a quack, s/he does not know what s/he is doing.?

202Mervyn

[Jose Colaco]

My dear Mervyn,

You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil. Not being a coconutologist, I will skip comment on that except to say that : surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... + wars and extra- marital affairs?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we still trying to 'convert' him?

jc

Post by Mervyn Lobo

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------
floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.
Mervyn0120

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

b/rgds

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization,
International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and
Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association,
British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting
the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels
of saturated fat.


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then
again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to
supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[Jose Colaco]

My dear Mervyn,

You are right. That, indeed, is the advice.

However, have you ever wondered IF and WHY folks who inhabited Goan villages and the Islands of the East and West Indies, lived fairly long lives despite having a diet that was full of coconut?

There is also an argument put forth about the type of MCTs found in coconut oil. Not being a coconutologist, I will skip comment on that except to say that : surely, coconut is not worse than animal fat. IF you agree, WHY is it that all the organizations listed, are NOT placing the same 'advisory' on Red Meats, Stress, Cow's Milk, Butter and ' couch potatoness'....... + wars and extra- marital affairs?

BTW: if we concede that Floriano has every right to do just the opposite of what is being advised by these organizations, AND if we are in a position to conclude that Floriano is doing just that + will not change his mind, WHY are we still trying to 'convert' him?

jc

Post by Mervyn Lobo

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------
floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.
Mervyn0120

[floriano]

Mervyn,
Just tell me what hydrogeneted oils contain.

b/rgds

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <mervynalobo at yahoo.ca>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization,
International College of Nutrition, United States Department of Health and
Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association,
British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting
the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels
of saturated fat.


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then
again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to
supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

The crap that you are writing regarding coconut oil is spread by MLM scams. That is why I asked you the name of your MLM. I would like to know the source of your conspiracy theories. For example, who gave you the following information:

QUOTE
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver??would lower it down.The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.?3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.


All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

QUOTE
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make their money theough purchasing the FDA members.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?
Sometimes, I do tend to think that? you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Cheers
floriano
PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits of
it to my close friend as an advice only.

[Mervyn Lobo]

?Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States?Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States?Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British?National Health Service and?Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.?


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to?supersede?the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

The crap that you are writing regarding coconut oil is spread by MLM scams. That is why I asked you the name of your MLM. I would like to know the source of your conspiracy theories. For example, who gave you the following information:

QUOTE
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver??would lower it down.The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.?3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.


All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

QUOTE
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make their money theough purchasing the FDA members.
UNQUOTE
......Floriano Lobo

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?
Sometimes, I do tend to think that? you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Cheers
floriano
PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits of
it to my close friend as an advice only.

[Mervyn Lobo]

?Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

----------------------------------------------


floriano,
Coconut oil contains saturated fat.


The United States?Food and Drug Administration, World Health Organization, International College of Nutrition, United States?Department of Health and Human Services, American Dietetic Association, American Heart Association, British?National Health Service and?Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.?


Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you. Then again, perhaps the understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to?supersede?the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn0120

[floriano]

Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Cheers
floriano

PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits
of it to my close friend as an advice only.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[floriano]

Who ever told you it is MLM???
Cecil Pinto?

Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of
'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Cheers
floriano

PS: If at all I use some MLM marketed products (supplements) I use it for my
self and for mine and do not market it. At most I pass on the good benefits
of it to my close friend as an advice only.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Santosh Helekar]

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.
I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche at
the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for, being
a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold of the
Goa Governance some day.
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS? as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough? purchasing the FDA members.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

[Santosh Helekar]

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.
I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche at
the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for, being
a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold of the
Goa Governance some day.
I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS? as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough? purchasing the FDA members.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

[floriano]

Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.

I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche
at the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for,
being a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold
of the Goa Governance some day.

I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough purchasing the FDA members.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice
and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and
withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard
plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they
knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall
prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for
your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh

[floriano]

Dear Santosh,
Much appreciated.
Thank you but no thank you on this one.

I was already a goner and the family would have sealed my bones into a niche
at the cemetery to be garlanded every year for not too long.
I hve taken that chance with my life. And I have not too much to live for,
being a grand parent alread thrice over but only to see that GSRP takes hold
of the Goa Governance some day.

I shall, in my own way, fight the conspiracy of the pharma cartel which most
often promote POISONS as life saving drugs that kill millions, just to make
their money theough purchasing the FDA members.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj


----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice
and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and
withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard
plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they
knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall
prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for
your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Jose Colaco]

Mogal Floriano,

Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?

That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?

And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?

As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE

jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
----- Original Message ----- From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12
max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3
years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every
night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to
them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
?

[Jose Colaco]

Mogal Floriano,

Now .... Why would you go to a cardiologist and ask him to administer Folic Acid to you?

That is not the best use of a cardiologist, Is it ?

And WHY do some patients 'hide' lab results from doctors?

As one of the littlest in our family would say: NOT NICE

jc

Post by floriano
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood 'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
----- Original Message ----- From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh

[Santosh Helekar]

Floriano,

I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice and treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and withholding your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard plenty of people like you ultimately regret the fact that they thought they knew Medicine better than qualified medical professionals. Please don't fall prey to MLM scams, internet crap and your own delusions. Save the latter for your political campaigns. That is where they belong.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: floriano <floriano.lobo at gmail.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.
I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.
Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12
max per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver? would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest. 3
years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2 every
night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just normal, fine.
All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according to
them.
Well done. Keep it up.
Cheers
floriano
?

[Reena Martins]

I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

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[floriano]

You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.

I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.

Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max
per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.
3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2
every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just
normal, fine.

All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according
to them.
Well done. Keep it up.


Cheers
floriano



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else,
it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what
is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious
health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A
clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and
researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Reena Martins]

I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. The mail is intended only for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed. The mail shall not be acted upon but destroyed promptly, if a person for whom it is not intended receives it. Opinions, conclusions and other information in the message that do not relate to the official role of the sender shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by ABP Pvt Ltd or its subsidiaries, associate companies, affiliates or its group companies.

[floriano]

You are right, Santosh.
It is not a good idea for one to run one's own test. It is a very good idea
to die, instead.

I went to my cardiologist with an ampule of folic acid to request him to
administer it to me. He chased me out saying "you do not take the medicines
I have prescribed. Now you want me to administer this shit?". So I left
telling myself that this guy is a set routine butcher who has not updated
himself at all.

Why?
Because I was holding the test report (which I did not show him) on my blood
'HOMOCYSTEINE' count. It was 29 where the normal permissible was 9 to 12 max
per mg whatever. Only large intake of folic acid and other foods like greens
and chicken/beef liver would lower it down. The cause of my homocysteine
shooting up was the prescribed statins and ecosprin after my cardiac arrest.
3 years on, I have not touched those two poisons. I take folate tabs x 2
every night and I dont eat but drink virgin coconut oil. And I am just
normal, fine.

All this bulshit about clinical test where the FDAs are on the roll killing
people with poison drugs and where natural supplement are poisons according
to them.
Well done. Keep it up.


Cheers
floriano



----- Original Message -----
From: "Santosh Helekar" <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else,
it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what
is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious
health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A
clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and
researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Reena Martins]

I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. The mail is intended only for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed. The mail shall not be acted upon but destroyed promptly, if a person for whom it is not intended receives it. Opinions, conclusions and other information in the message that do not relate to the official role of the sender shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by ABP Pvt Ltd or its subsidiaries, associate companies, affiliates or its group companies.

[colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )]

?On 8 May 2012 13:32, Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com> wrote:

To any and all,?The best and simplest thing is to run your own test --
say ?2-4 weeks, 6?months. Run it on family, older friends who have
Alzheimer's (or other?degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in
which case one may learn other?things about self) and observe changes.
This is one step towards awareness,the other would be the info the
supplied by Goan researchers.


Ai Saiba Bhogos maka

What is this Venantius?

BTW, since we are apparently in the mood of making mockery of 'medical
research' along with it's study designs and methods of analysis, how
about the Coconuts propagating this nonsense ...just eating One whole
coconut every other day....and then trying to remember if they forgot
themselves or the coconuts.

jc

[Santosh Helekar]

It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )]

?On 8 May 2012 13:32, Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com> wrote:

To any and all,?The best and simplest thing is to run your own test --
say ?2-4 weeks, 6?months. Run it on family, older friends who have
Alzheimer's (or other?degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in
which case one may learn other?things about self) and observe changes.
This is one step towards awareness,the other would be the info the
supplied by Goan researchers.


Ai Saiba Bhogos maka

What is this Venantius?

BTW, since we are apparently in the mood of making mockery of 'medical
research' along with it's study designs and methods of analysis, how
about the Coconuts propagating this nonsense ...just eating One whole
coconut every other day....and then trying to remember if they forgot
themselves or the coconuts.

jc

[Santosh Helekar]

It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[colaco1 at gmail.com (J. Colaco )]

?On 8 May 2012 13:32, Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com> wrote:

To any and all,?The best and simplest thing is to run your own test --
say ?2-4 weeks, 6?months. Run it on family, older friends who have
Alzheimer's (or other?degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in
which case one may learn other?things about self) and observe changes.
This is one step towards awareness,the other would be the info the
supplied by Goan researchers.


Ai Saiba Bhogos maka

What is this Venantius?

BTW, since we are apparently in the mood of making mockery of 'medical
research' along with it's study designs and methods of analysis, how
about the Coconuts propagating this nonsense ...just eating One whole
coconut every other day....and then trying to remember if they forgot
themselves or the coconuts.

jc

[Santosh Helekar]

It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert clinicians and researchers.

Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good caution. Rest assured that nothing I know or test/have tested has ever
been put out there, nor shared. Not a chance. I respect your concern
Santosh.

Now, the point in my post and the manner of my response was essentially to
suggest: keep it low. (All unwritten). And if any answers are found (taking
Coconut Oil it as a supplement (the word supplement unwritten), literature,
reading on research), to essentially keep it to yourselves unless it is
research that is tested, vetted and approved.(To any and all).

I am not concerned with leading anyone astray; and Goans I presume at least
those on these forums have the chops to access to information, if they
choose to seek it. Its just that, they I think, at the same time cast wide
nets to secure their knowledge. NOW, this are broad general comment.

But there could be individuals who perhaps look up to me, which In any case
is a scary thought. To you, and to them I must apologize: if THEY ARE
CONSIDERING running tests and sharing results. Hopefully none of that will
happen.

Again, of course one expects people to know that they should consult
literature, seek their own qualified doctors; and that those who are aware
-- will share information they may have access to it. And cautionary notes
are always welcome.

+++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything
else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Reena,
I agree your decision is a sound one.

On a tangential note: If time and inclination permits do share if you on
your forays in Goa, know of someone producing coconut oil from fresh
coconuts. All other things being respected, such bits are good for us to
know (information that needs some looking into, and harder to find -- like
some of my many questions in the past on GNet).
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto


Message: 2

Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 13:00:03 +0530
From: Reena Martins <reena.martins at abp.in>
To: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>, "Goa's premiere mailing
list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything

else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.

Post by Santosh Helekar
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks,

6

Post by Santosh Helekar

months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

Post by Santosh Helekar

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

Post by Santosh Helekar

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

Post by Santosh Helekar

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

Post by Santosh Helekar

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

[Bosco D]

Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi?baaji)? every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[floriano]

Dear Bosco,

I do not give up on anything once I take a bite.
I shall disregard this peculiar barb from your end.

B/rgds
floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bosco D" <bospam at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[floriano]

Dear Bosco,

I do not give up on anything once I take a bite.
I shall disregard this peculiar barb from your end.

B/rgds
floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bosco D" <bospam at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[floriano]

Dear Bosco,

I do not give up on anything once I take a bite.
I shall disregard this peculiar barb from your end.

B/rgds
floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bosco D" <bospam at gmail.com>
To: <goanet at goanet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi baaji) every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[Bernado Colaco]

?Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a different approach like guide the people as to what is available in allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid forties. (just my opinion).
?
BC
?
Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[floriano]

Bernado,
What is a rastreio ??

floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernado Colaco" <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days
humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly
concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a
different approach like guide the people as to what is available in
allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to
go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid
forties. (just my opinion).

BC

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[floriano]

Bernado,
What is a rastreio ??

floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernado Colaco" <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days
humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly
concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a
different approach like guide the people as to what is available in
allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to
go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid
forties. (just my opinion).

BC

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[floriano]

Bernado,
What is a rastreio ??

floriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernado Colaco" <ole_xac at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil


Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days
humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly
concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a
different approach like guide the people as to what is available in
allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to
go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid
forties. (just my opinion).

BC

Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Bernado Colaco]

?Rastreio is full screening to check diseases. Wether MRI, Blood Tests, ECG,PSA etc. I was referring to the guidance post by Oncologist?GL who time and again posted info about the prostate gland.
?
BC
?
What is a rastreio ??s by
floriano

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Floriano wrote:
Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn wrote:
floriano, Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, .... British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
?
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you.? Understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

GL responds:
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin application.

[Roland Francis]

This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.



The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.



However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.



<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477



Thanks.



Roland.

Toronto

[floriano]

Whow!

My longstanding pro-Virgin Coconut Oil has been vindicated.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Post by Roland Francis
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Santosh Helekar]

Roland,

As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is one regarding Alzheimer's:

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_alternative_treatments.asp#Concerns_about_alternative_therapies


Here is one about other claims:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health


Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Roland Francis <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T his 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

To any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.

One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)

++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:05:31 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson
is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United
States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good caution. Rest assured that nothing I know or test/have tested has ever
been put out there, nor shared. Not a chance. I respect your concern
Santosh.

Now, the point in my post and the manner of my response was essentially to
suggest: keep it low. (All unwritten). And if any answers are found (taking
Coconut Oil it as a supplement (the word supplement unwritten), literature,
reading on research), to essentially keep it to yourselves unless it is
research that is tested, vetted and approved.(To any and all).

I am not concerned with leading anyone astray; and Goans I presume at least
those on these forums have the chops to access to information, if they
choose to seek it. Its just that, they I think, at the same time cast wide
nets to secure their knowledge. NOW, this are broad general comment.

But there could be individuals who perhaps look up to me, which In any case
is a scary thought. To you, and to them I must apologize: if THEY ARE
CONSIDERING running tests and sharing results. Hopefully none of that will
happen.

Again, of course one expects people to know that they should consult
literature, seek their own qualified doctors; and that those who are aware
-- will share information they may have access to it. And cautionary notes
are always welcome.

+++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything
else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Reena,
I agree your decision is a sound one.

On a tangential note: If time and inclination permits do share if you on
your forays in Goa, know of someone producing coconut oil from fresh
coconuts. All other things being respected, such bits are good for us to
know (information that needs some looking into, and harder to find -- like
some of my many questions in the past on GNet).
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto


Message: 2

Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 13:00:03 +0530
From: Reena Martins <reena.martins at abp.in>
To: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>, "Goa's premiere mailing
list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything

else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.

Post by Santosh Helekar
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks,

6

Post by Santosh Helekar

months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

Post by Santosh Helekar

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

Post by Santosh Helekar

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

Post by Santosh Helekar

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

Post by Santosh Helekar

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

[Bosco D]

Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi?baaji)? every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[Bernado Colaco]

?Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a different approach like guide the people as to what is available in allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid forties. (just my opinion).
?
BC
?
Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Bernado Colaco]

?Rastreio is full screening to check diseases. Wether MRI, Blood Tests, ECG,PSA etc. I was referring to the guidance post by Oncologist?GL who time and again posted info about the prostate gland.
?
BC
?
What is a rastreio ??s by
floriano

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Floriano wrote:
Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn wrote:
floriano, Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, .... British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
?
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you.? Understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

GL responds:
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin application.

[Roland Francis]

This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.



The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.



However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.



<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477



Thanks.



Roland.

Toronto

[floriano]

Whow!

My longstanding pro-Virgin Coconut Oil has been vindicated.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Post by Roland Francis
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Santosh Helekar]

Roland,

As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is one regarding Alzheimer's:

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_alternative_treatments.asp#Concerns_about_alternative_therapies


Here is one about other claims:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health


Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Roland Francis <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T his 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

To any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.

One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)

++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:05:31 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson
is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United
States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

Good caution. Rest assured that nothing I know or test/have tested has ever
been put out there, nor shared. Not a chance. I respect your concern
Santosh.

Now, the point in my post and the manner of my response was essentially to
suggest: keep it low. (All unwritten). And if any answers are found (taking
Coconut Oil it as a supplement (the word supplement unwritten), literature,
reading on research), to essentially keep it to yourselves unless it is
research that is tested, vetted and approved.(To any and all).

I am not concerned with leading anyone astray; and Goans I presume at least
those on these forums have the chops to access to information, if they
choose to seek it. Its just that, they I think, at the same time cast wide
nets to secure their knowledge. NOW, this are broad general comment.

But there could be individuals who perhaps look up to me, which In any case
is a scary thought. To you, and to them I must apologize: if THEY ARE
CONSIDERING running tests and sharing results. Hopefully none of that will
happen.

Again, of course one expects people to know that they should consult
literature, seek their own qualified doctors; and that those who are aware
-- will share information they may have access to it. And cautionary notes
are always welcome.

+++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

From: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything
else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say? 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto
?

[Venantius J Pinto]

Reena,
I agree your decision is a sound one.

On a tangential note: If time and inclination permits do share if you on
your forays in Goa, know of someone producing coconut oil from fresh
coconuts. All other things being respected, such bits are good for us to
know (information that needs some looking into, and harder to find -- like
some of my many questions in the past on GNet).
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto


Message: 2

Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 13:00:03 +0530
From: Reena Martins <reena.martins at abp.in>
To: Santosh Helekar <chimbelcho at yahoo.com>, "Goa's premiere mailing
list, estb. 1994!" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
I agree with Santosh, here.

Post by Santosh Helekar
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything

else, it will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than
what is being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A
serious health condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
physician. A clinical trial needs to be conducted a team of expert
clinicians and researchers.

Post by Santosh Helekar
Cheers,
Santosh
----- Original Message -----

From: Venantius J Pinto <venantius.pinto at gmail.com>
To: goanet at lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T o any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks,

6

Post by Santosh Helekar

months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn

other

Post by Santosh Helekar

things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards

awareness,

Post by Santosh Helekar

the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.
One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from

coconuts

Post by Santosh Helekar

that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic

fertilizer.

Post by Santosh Helekar

It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)
++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

[Bosco D]

Floriano......have you given up the "raw spinach dipped in Virgin
Coconut oil ( 30 leaves of vauchi?baaji)? every morning where the
vauchi baaji comes from my kitchen garden."

I am curious.....Have you given up on your kitchen garden or has the
kitchen garden given up on producing your daily fix of 30 leaves of
vauchi baaji?

Humorously......B

[Bernado Colaco]

?Coconut oil and water were cited on a newspaper in the far east. Now a days humans are trying alternative cures. Dr. Santosh Helekar is clearly concerned about the health of Goans on GN. I believe he should have a different approach like guide the people as to what is available in allopathy. Like once Dr. Gilbert Lawerence advised readers of GN (male) to go for a rastreio for their prostate glands once they are in their mid forties. (just my opinion).
?
BC
?
Hi Floriano,

What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Bernado Colaco]

?Rastreio is full screening to check diseases. Wether MRI, Blood Tests, ECG,PSA etc. I was referring to the guidance post by Oncologist?GL who time and again posted info about the prostate gland.
?
BC
?
What is a rastreio ??s by
floriano

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Floriano wrote:
Sometimes, I do tend to think that you knowledgeable guys are full of 'shit' in CAPITAL LETTERS.

Mervyn wrote:
floriano, Coconut oil contains saturated fat.
The United States Food and Drug Administration, .... British National Health Service and Dietitians of Canada recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.
?
Now, if you want to do the opposite, there is no one to stop you.? Understanding of the effects of saturated fat has to supersede the understanding of CAPITAL LETTERS.

GL responds:
?
There is no controversy here and if there is one, I do not want to engage in it.
Coconut oil in moderation is not harmful ... "limiting the consumption."
Saturated fats in moderation is not harmful ... again "limiting the consumption."
Not all saturated fats are made the same.
Coconut oil controversy?only arises in cooking and not for?hair /?skin application.

[Roland Francis]

This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.



The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.



However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.



<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477



Thanks.



Roland.

Toronto

[floriano]

Whow!

My longstanding pro-Virgin Coconut Oil has been vindicated.
Cheers
floriano
goasuraj

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:35 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil

Post by Roland Francis
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Santosh Helekar]

Roland,

As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is one regarding Alzheimer's:

http://www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_alternative_treatments.asp#Concerns_about_alternative_therapies


Here is one about other claims:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health


Cheers,

Santosh


----- Original Message -----

From: Roland Francis <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" <goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
T his 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto

[Venantius J Pinto]

To any and all,
The best and simplest thing is to run your own test -- say 2-4 weeks, 6
months. Run it on family, older friends who have Alzheimer's (or other
degenerative diseases), or upon oneself (in which case one may learn other
things about self) and observe changes. This is one step towards awareness,
the other would be the info the supplied by Goan researchers.

One would expect the oil to be at least Extra virgin coconut oil (and,
extracted under the most exa dried exacting conditions). Also from coconuts
that come from trees which have not been raised with inorganic fertilizer.
It had to be made from FRESH COCONUT, NOT copra(dried coconut)

++++++++++++
venantius j pinto

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:05:31 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <roland.francis at gmail.com>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'"
<goanet at lists.goanet.org>
Subject: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
This 6 minute video snippet from CBN claims that non-hydrogenated coconut
oil retards Alzheimer's an even the HIV virus.
The Christian Broadcasting Network is a Pat Robertson creation. Robertson
is
a well-known ex-Southern Baptist pastor and now Televangelist, Charismatic
and influential member of the powerful Christian Right in the United
States.
I distrust that bloc of religionists, businessmen and politicians who have
their own agenda in whatever they do.
However, since this has nothing to do with those subjects, I request
Goanetters of medical background to please provide us, non medical readers,
with their comments on the authenticity of this coconut oil healing.
<http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477>
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=27477
Thanks.
Roland.
Toronto